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[joc]

....and are we also faking all the pictures of Saturn, etc by the SpaceBot Voyager?

...are we also faking the technology that I am using right now?  Did we in fact fake the entire space program and that the real truth is that man has never even ventured into space?

[xstortionist]

To say we faked the moon Landing is very disapointing to me as i am an american. I've seen the videos, I've read the conspiracy, and I believe we landed on the moon. Not ONCE, but we've landed 11 or 13 people on the moon if my memory serves me correctly. So why is it hard to believe that neil armstrong was the first human on the moon? If he wasn't the first then another one of NASA's astronauts was the first to be on the moon. I guess people have forgotten about all the other astronaughts who have been to the moon.

I guess all the astronauts got PUNK'D...

[Hazzard]

Here are 2 sites debunking the silly moonhoax theory.
http://www.clavius.org/

http://www.braeunig.us/space/hoax.htm

Part from the scientific evidence that we went to the moon, here are two more things the hoaxbeliever never think about.

1# Given the lack of supporting evidence from any Communist bloc countries since the openness and revelations following the collapse of the Soviet Union, this is seen by many as a strong argument against such a hoax.

2# If a moon landing was impossible, then it would be impossible for the Soviets as well. Why take the risk of faking a moon landing if there was no risk of the Russians getting to the moon first?

Edited by hazzard, 30 May 2006 - 03:44 PM.

[Never_Hit_Nirvana]

I've always wondered if the people that believe the moon landing was faked are the same ones that believe mankind is limited in what it can accomplish.
My theory on the moon landing: We did it because we wanted to and set our minds and energies to it.

[boggle]

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....and are we also faking all the pictures of Saturn, etc by the SpaceBot Voyager?

...are we also faking the technology that I am using right now?  Did we in fact fake the entire space program and that the real truth is that man has never even ventured into space?

no just the apollo missions

[xstortionist]

well here is the thing...no amtter what we've been to the moon with like 12-14 astronauts so even if the apollo mission was hoaxed we still have the leverage of saying we have had more than just 2 men on the moon. So what is the big deal?

[Aristocrates]

I can see how it would be dificult for someone to tell the difference between moon and nevada craters on TV


Nevada>>>Moon>>>

I can understand how it could have been filmed in the nevada desert. There is also another theory that we did go to the moon but found "visitors" so they came back to Earth and shot in on Earth. If it was a fake shooting, I think one of the most logical places would be the nevada desert

[Mookie]

Wether or not the moon landing is real or fake has been argued for as long as I can remember.
Yes, there is good evidence that it was faked, but, there is also good evidence that it was real and if someone has set there mind on the fact that it is real/fake, then I doubt that anything anyone says or does will sway there opinion on the matter.

If it was faked, I must admit that it was a very good fake to have fooled millions of people worldwide.
I personally, hope that it is real, as it makes me feel better knowing that we are capable of such wonderfull things.

[MID]

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To say we faked the moon Landing is very disapointing to me as i am an american. I've seen the videos, I've read the conspiracy, and I believe we landed on the moon. Not ONCE, but we've landed 11 or 13 people on the moon if my memory serves me correctly. So why is it hard to believe that neil armstrong was the first human on the moon? If he wasn't the first then another one of NASA's astronauts was the first to be on the moon. I guess people have forgotten about all the other astronaughts who have been to the moon.

I guess all the astronauts got PUNK'D...

Do not let it be disappointing to you, xstortionist.   We did do this thing.
Actually, it was 12 of us Americans who landed there.  
It's only hard to believe that Neil Armstrong was the first human on the moon because people are looking at theories, have no knowledge regarding their subject matter, and are likely separated by over a generation from the events of the late 1960s and early 1970s.

Some people have forgotten about all the other guys who actually landed on the moon.  Most people who subscribe to such theories have no idea about Pete (deceased), the two Alans (either of whom would likely give one the business if one suggested to them that they didn't do this thing (although one of them is now also gone, and couldn't do such a thing)), Ed, Dave, Jim (also gone now), John, Charlie, Gene and Jack.

A pity, really.

Yes, they were all there, recognized completely in the most documented technical accomplishment in man's history.

[MID]

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i have found a website, where they sohw alot of evidence where you can prove the moon landing is a hoax: i will show the facts from the site but all credits go to http://www.alien-ufos.com/govmilapollohoax.shtml

I am now going to detail some of the many inconsistencies in the videos supposedly taken on the Lunar surface:

1. There is no atmosphere on the moon due it its low gravity, so how exactly is the US flag in the picture blowing in the Lunar Wind? You cannot explain this away by saying someone had just moved quickly past the flag because this would have no effect on the flag either with no air to be displaced.



2. The cameras were fitted with crosshairs to make analysis of the photos easier for NASA, these crosshairs were on the lens of the camera. So they would obviously be in front of everything in the picture, the following photos show this to be untrue.


This picture shows part of a crosshair to be behind a piece of equipment.

3. While on the moon, the LM (Lunar Module) did not move at all, the base of it never left the moon, so how can these two pictures, obviously of the same place due to the identical hills in the background, not both show the LM




This suggests the use of a film studio with set backgrounds being used.

4. Here we have two new pictures, which are like the previous two, but the anomaly lies in the foreground, the story is, the astronauts walk down the hill in the first picture, which is at quite a distinct angle with plenty of distinct rocks on it. Then the astronauts get on the Rover (moon buggy) and travel 2.5 miles away. Then, in true Blair Witch Project style, they walk down the exact same hill, incredible!




5. There are many examples of this and I could flood you with pictures, but I think this is one of the best ones on the subject


It shows an astronaut on the moon with the sun behind him, which interestingly has a halo, an effect only seen when viewed through an atmosphere, so this picture was obviously not taken on the moon. How, if the sun was the only source of light on the moon, is the front of this astronaut lit up? This again points to the pictures and videos being made on a movie set because they have used many light sources.

6. This is another topic for which I could provide many images, but this one has notation and makes the point very clear

How can shadows from the sun intercept each other? This again shows that many light sources were used when filing the videos, something which was not available to the astronauts on the moon.

Facts
Bill Kaysing, head of technical publications and advanced research at Rocketdyne Systems from 1956 to 1963 estimated that there is a 0.0017% chance of surviving a trip to the moon, there are many things which can kill you: radiation, solar flares and meteorites.
On pictures taken by a Russian spy satellite of Groom Lake Military Base (AREA51), you can clearly see a section of the desert which is totally clear of any plants. This area of land has craters on it, and it looks exactly like the surface of the moon. On closer inspection, one of the craters is identical to a crater supposedly seen by the crew of the Apollo 12 mission from their LM as it landed. The picture also shows hangers which look similar to the kind of buildings you would find at Hollywood, the whole set up looks like a movie studio.
As the LM landed with the astronauts in it, you could clearly hear the voices of the men, but there was no other sound, surly the engines of the LM would be heard firing as it approached the lunar surface.
When the LM left the moons surface it looked like very old-fashioned movie special effects. It jumped of the base as though a cable had hoisted it up suddenly and there was no exhaust ploom as the engines fired.
The cameras used to take all of the pictures were on the front of the astronauts suits, they had no view finder, all they could do was point themselves at what they wished to take a pictures of and hope. So, how were thousands of amazingly lined up, almost 'posed' pictures taken? This is another piece of evidence, which points towards a film crew making the videos. The bulky design of the spacesuits only made taking a decent picture more difficult.
On the moon, if you are stood in sunshine, it is 250 degrees above, if you are in any shadow, such as that of the LM, the temperature is 250 degrees below. The spacesuits were well designed with layers of different material each doing their own job, but the fact that no Apollo astronaut ever suffered serious illness is incredible.
The Russians have revealed that they never thought about going to the moon because they had no idea what the radiation would do.
Russia have never sent their cosmonauts to the moon and NASA have no plans to send astronauts there (again?).
The moon landing, if it is a movie, would be the most expensive movie ever made.
The most powerful telescope in the world does not have the power to see if remnants of the lunar missions are still on the moons surface as they should be. However in 2 years time the Japanese are sending an orbiter to the moon to take close up photos of the entire surface, this should prove whether NASA went to the moon, or would NASA let the Japanese tell the world of their findings, would NASA send up empty LMs and robots to make footprints and place flags, or is this the reason President Bush wants a missile defence system?
Just months before the Apollo 11 mission, Armstrong can bee seen testing the Lander at an air base, he crashes it after never really being in full control of the craft, ejecting at the last moment. He was never going to be able to fly the Lander successfully or safely on the mission.
This is quoted form the National Geographic Magazine in their Q+A section.
Q   When Alan Shepard hit a golf ball on the moon, did it come back to the surface, or was the moon's gravity too weak?
A   In 1971, astronaut Alan Shepard, an avid golfer, hit two golf balls with a makeshift six iron he smuggled aboard the Apollo 14 mission. He joked that the ball flew 'miles and miles and miles' in the moon's low gravity, one-sixth that of the Earth. Actually both shots landed in the moon dust less than a hundred yards away.

The moon has low gravity and no atmosphere, so if someone who was an avid golfer hit a ball on the moon it would literally go for miles. The only possible suggestion I have for a golfer not being able to make a 2000yard drive is the spacesuit getting in his way or the low gravity conditions making things difficult. I still believe that this does point towards the footage being filmed on Earth, though, hence the golf shot being just pretty average with the spacesuit obstructing his swing.
Gravity
One of the things which tripped NASA up the most was how they replicated 1/6 of Earth's Gravity. The way NASA tried to achieve this effect was by taking footage on the Earth's surface and then halving the speed of the videos. This does, at first sight, look like low gravity conditions, however what this does not change is the stride (or hop) length, or the height the astronauts jump to, because the footage is slow, they appear to be jumping far and high for their speed. If you double the speed of the moon footage, everything looks like it is in a 10 Newtons/Kilogram gravitational field strength, i.e. on Earth. To give the astronauts that extra bit of bounce NASA used cables to hold them up, if you look very closely at some of the footage you can see the cables. Its like pausing The Matrix so you can see the few frames where the camera crew are reflected in Neo's sunglasses. However, slightly more convincing than seeing the cables is seeing their effects. One astronaut falls over, then, without either help from his colleague or using his arms to push himself back up, he returns to an upright position.
People Against NASA
NASA did have its critics around the time of the moon landing, there were people who said NASA was unsafe and people who knew too much in relationship to the size of their mouth. So plenty of people died, maybe god wanted the achievement of his achievement to remain plausible. Gus Grissom was a veteran space traveller, he frequently spoke out about NASA, he criticized them and infamously said 'Someone is going to get killed', that someone was him. He was inside the capsule, which caught fire just before take-off, communication had failed and the whole crew perished. The families of the men think the fire was not an accident, Bethy Grissom, Gus's widow, wants NASA to come forward and tell the truth about the Apollo missions. The capsule remains locked away at a military base.

Charles Barrent submitted a 500 page report to NASA about their safety, he said such things as: 'The Apollo program is in a huge mess, they will never make it to the moon'. One week later a train hit his car killing him, his wife and his stepdaughter, the report disappeared.

Between 1964 and 1967, 10 astronauts lost their lives in freak accidents. It is believed that very few people at NASA know the whole picture of what happened, this minimises the chances of a leak. A rocket engineer, who worked for the company producing the rocket engines for the Apollo program reported many problems and unreliability issues prior to the mission.
Radiation
Around our planet are huge radiation bands, it is up for debate how thick they are, but estimations show that the Apollo astronauts would spend approximately four hours in the radiation. This is possibly the strongest proof we have against the moon landings ever taking place. There are two natural bands of radiation called the Van Allen belt, the first being just under 300 miles from Earth. No other space projects have ever gone into these deadly areas apart from the Apollo missions. In 1962, the US government implemented Operation Starfish Prime, they tried to use a megaton nuclear bomb to blast a hole in the radiation, in their infinite wisdom they made the radiation worse, by 2002 this third band will still have 25 times the amount of radiation than the natural bands.

There is no way for astronauts to get through this radiation without having at least: hair loss, severe sickness, vomiting and diarrhoea, impaired vision, and death within a two month period, however no Apollo astronauts ever suffered illness from travelling through the radiation.

Sunspot activity follows an 11 year cycle, every 11 years there is a the greatest amount of radiation, one of these peaks was between 1969 and 1970, there is no way men stood that radiation and made it to the moon. Between the Apollo 16 and 17 mission, one of the worst solar flares on record occurred, this would have given enough radiation to instantly kill any astronaut, however the astronauts were fine, they were safely away in AREA51.
What Happened
On July 16th 1969, Apollo 11 set off on a 250,000 mile, 8-day voyage to the moon. So, everyone saw the astronauts take off, that was not fake, however, they never went to the moon, they simply orbited for 8 days and then rentered the Earth's atmosphere 8 days later. The satellites were not there back then for the rocket to be detected, so the astronauts were safe, up in their low orbit, while back on Earth the world watches previously recorded videos of the astronauts on the moon. These videos had been filmed at AREA51 and were broadcast to the TV stations around the world. The world watched Neil Armstrong descend the ladder of a Lander he couldn't fly properly, onto the desert in AREA51.

punkmonkey,

You have for some reason found Cosmic Conspiracies, a page that has been completely shattered.  It doesn't prove anything. It merely shows a bunch of conjecture based upon an utter lack of knowledge.

You appear to have questions!

But your post is far to long, and contains too many points to address at once (you're going to have to read some length and do some self-investigation perhaps to understand what exactly you're looking at).

If you'd like an explanation to any of this, or all of it, you'll have to pick a point at a time, not a whole laundry list.   In lieu of investigating some of the adequate links that have been given you, ask one...but don't get into the flag waving business.  That's already been completely explained in another thread in this topic area ( "Hey what's that on the moon?") which is now dominated by a troller.

And please, resist the temptation to copy Cosmic Dave's dissertation. Those aren't facts.  I see where such a crafty construction could make you doubt, but don't accept that as fact and quote it, as it's been torn down point by point already.   Phrase your questions yourself.  I'll be glad to help you understand.  Also, identify your photos if you want to question them...it makes it alot easier than searching through all the archives (there are around 6000 photos taken on the surface of the moon) to see if the picture actually exists or was cropped, etc. (mission certainly, magazine and number if possible).

[MID]

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I've always wondered if the people that believe the moon landing was faked are the same ones that believe mankind is limited in what it can accomplish.
My theory on the moon landing: We did it because we wanted to and set our minds and energies to it.

I think your correct in your conjecture about  those that believe the moon landings were faked.
That theory of yours would be correct as well.
It was something characteristic of the generation of people who participated in this effort.

[Lilly]

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Some people have forgotten about all the other guys who actually landed on the moon.  Most people who subscribe to such theories have no idea about Pete (deceased), the two Alans (either of whom would likely give one the business if one suggested to them that they didn't do this thing (although one of them is now also gone, and couldn't do such a thing)), Ed, Dave, Jim (also gone now), John, Charlie, Gene and Jack.

A pity, really.

Yes, they were all there, recognized completely in the most documented technical accomplishment in man's history.

This makes me sad, very sad. To have accomplished so much, to have done such a historic thing, only to have others discount, deny, and flat out lie about it! Those who do this nonsense for personal gain disgust me. Not only do the lies of the conspiracy theorists serve to perpetuate ignorance, they are darn right insulting to the people who gave this task their all. For some "their all" meant giving up their lives.

Apollo 1 Grissom, White, Chaffee  

link to information

[psyche101]

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This makes me sad, very sad. To have accomplished so much, to have done such a historic thing, only to have others discount, deny, and flat out lie about it! Those who do this nonsense for personal gain disgust me. Not only do the lies of the conspiracy theorists serve to perpetuate ignorance, they are darn right insulting to the people who gave this task their all. For some "their all" meant giving up their lives.

Apollo 1 Grissom, White, Chaffee  

link to information

Add me to that list. I feel it is shameful to even suggest these fellows did not say what they did. Some crackpot conspiracy theorist comes up with a bunch of crazy ideas and so many jump on the bandwagon.
At least to thinking people these conspiracy theorists are seen for what they really are, shame they have the opportunity to propgate their ridiculous daydreams to people wihtout knowledge on the subject and gain support in this fashion.
Such allegations should be regarded as treason.

MID, please excuse my ignorance, I take it you were invloved in the Appollo mission - did you go to the Moon?

Edited by psyche101, 31 May 2006 - 01:44 AM.

[frogfish]

It also saddens me to see these outrageous claims. To take away from the beautiful accomplishments of those brave men...I condemn those who say such treasonous things!

[punkmonkey123]

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Wether or not the moon landing is real or fake has been argued for as long as I can remember.
Yes, there is good evidence that it was faked, but, there is also good evidence that it was real and if someone has set there mind on the fact that it is real/fake, then I doubt that anything anyone says or does will sway there opinion on the matter.

well, there is the fact those two brothers (cant remember thier names at the moment) foold millions of people saying that they saw dragons n the SF bay, LOL

Edited by punkmonkey123, 31 May 2006 - 02:15 AM.