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#271    Sherapy

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Posted 12 June 2006 - 12:04 AM

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Okay I'll try books and such.

Why don't you take some classes???do you belong to a gym? What books are you gonna try? some hospitals have librarys and they are free to the public....Start there or a college library, do you hae a older sibling????


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Posted 12 June 2006 - 03:02 AM

Interseting 60 minutes tonight with Andy Roonie the subject was 'MILK" and he had lots of milk cartons there and not a one of them said good for your bones( as kratos said) amd i went today myself to the store and had a look not one single milk carton said may build strong bones and another iinteresting point they went to the farm on one of them it wasn't a farm it was a office.....and Althougth the milk was claimed to be half and half on the front the actual ingrediants told a different story.......Andy Roonie even said if you are gonna call it milk then put milk in the carton......hmmm.....


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Posted 12 June 2006 - 07:15 PM

No, sorry, Drippy... Wrong. A just exactly perfect example of speaking in generalities would be stereotyping Phish fans as vegans and vegetarians.  

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Posted 12 June 2006 - 10:59 PM

I couldn't live without milk. I love it so. grin2.gif  Never broken a bone in my life, and I've been in a LOT of potentially bone-breaking situations. Oh, and I'm 21 and have never had to get a filling in my teeth. I can chew on foil... not that I'd want to, but I can...

Actually, as an interesting aside. Did you guys know that venison has no cholesterol? Aye, not just "very little". but NONE. Well, providing you eat wild venison (yes that does mean going out and shooting it). Of course, game is the best kind of meat around. Tis very healthy, and lean.

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Posted 12 June 2006 - 11:13 PM

Hey, let's not take what I said out of context.  I don't stereotype Phish fans as vegans and vegetarians; I make the generalization that they're all stupid smelly hippies with terrible taste in music, who JUST SO HAPPEN to be vegetarians and vegans.

And, yes, as a matter of fact, saying "Anyone who speaks in generalities is an idiot" IS a generalization.  Now I'm not familiar with William Blake, so I'm not sure if that was intended to be an ironic statement, but the fact of the matter is yes, it is a generalization.  It's exactly the same as me saying "Anyone who listens to Phish is a stupid smelly hippie," the obvious difference being that I'm correct.

And for once I'm not gonna be responsible for throwing this thread off topic, so back to the milk.

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Posted 13 June 2006 - 04:50 AM

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Why don't you take some classes???do you belong to a gym? What books are you gonna try? some hospitals have librarys and they are free to the public....Start there or a college library, do you hae a older sibling????

Well, I assume that the classes which I would need to take, my doctor and nutritionist would have also taken.
And hey, we're completely ignoring their input, so classes wouldn't help.

As far as I know, gyms specialise in exercise, and basic eating.
They wouldn't give me much help. They probably teach the same stuff as my PE class.

Books? Probably the ones labelled 'Milk' thumbsup.gif

Hospital wouldn't help, as my doctor has been ignored.
Library, well yeah. It's free, and that's where I'm gunna get the books.

And the Uni library, as far as I remember, also lets kids in thumbsup.gif

So yeah, I'll be doing a lot of reading in the next week tongue.gif

EDIT: Forgot which thread this was, oops

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Posted 13 June 2006 - 05:01 AM

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Well, I assume that the classes which I would need to take, my doctor and nutritionist would have also taken.
And hey, we're completely ignoring their input, so classes wouldn't help.

As far as I know, gyms specialise in exercise, and basic eating.
They wouldn't give me much help. They probably teach the same stuff as my PE class.

Books? Probably the ones labelled 'Milk' thumbsup.gif

Hospital wouldn't help, as my doctor has been ignored.
Library, well yeah. It's free, and that's where I'm gunna get the books.

And the Uni library, as far as I remember, also lets kids in thumbsup.gif

So yeah, I'll be doing a lot of reading in the next week tongue.gif

EDIT: Forgot which thread this was, oops



Certain gyms have access to a nutritonist, depends on the gym,....The YMCA most definitely does....
Nutrtion is a comprehensive study, a dietician isn't the same thing...Doctors aren't required to take much on nutriton i forget the actual amount but its not much...The hospital library is an excellent source of the latest in studys, its free and open to the public you can't take anything but you can read up on nutrition....Regular library i don't know , i'd say the best source or place to start is a degreed nutrionist....good reading let us know what you learn.....

Edited by Sheri berri, 13 June 2006 - 05:03 AM.


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Posted 14 June 2006 - 11:35 AM

Well, I am confident that I told you before that I saw a nutritionist.
She displayed a lot of awards across her office, so I'm assuming she's fully qualified.

She said that milk is important, among other things. She believes that meat is extremely important, but if one would like to be vegetarian - they are able, as long as they know how to make up for the lack of meat.

When I asked her opinion, she said that she would stay away from vegetarianism, and she completely avoids veganism.

Anyway, this is the milk thread, so enough about meat.

She said milk is necessary, I believe her.

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Posted 14 June 2006 - 12:12 PM

there is a bottled water over here that contains the same amount of calcium as a bottle of milk but i think the calcium is in a way that the body and bones can absorb im not sure.


also this thread is sort of like the vegatarian thread where it comes down to one half saying milk or meat is bad and not drinking milk and just eating greens is more healthy lol. i still drink milk but i tend to drink alot of it when training as it is a good source of rapidly putting on weight.


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Posted 14 June 2006 - 04:50 PM

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there is no comparision to breast milk and formula, there are things in breast milk the scientist can't name...Its a sad day too that the 'formula calims formula is as good as breast milk.....A breast feedingmother will pass on her immunitys to this chld and protect this child from disease and illness while its immune system is developing..formula doesn' do this......

a formula fed baby is pasty and smells a breast fed child is rosy and smells sweet....the majority of a breast fed babys time will be held in a mohters arms not propped up somewhere with a bottle........
You ask any vet nursing mother and she will tell you there is never an excuse not to breast feed, it can be done........

Breast fed babys are smarter hands down, things happen inthe brain that don't happen in a formula fed child....A formula fed child will use alot of energy into healing after sickness colds and runny noses a breast fed child will put all of its energy into growing......IMO its jsut flat out ignorance ( the not knowing kind) to not nurse your child at least for a few days at least until it gets the colostrum...........many don't do it becasue of social reasons...
most care more about what someone will think instead of the childs health.....



This is an interesting thread and a good read.

My son was forumla fed because I simply could not produce enough breast milk. I wanted to breast feed, but sometimes a mother simply cannot. But, I did not prop him with a bottle, I held him in my arms to feed him.  yes.gif  

But when you said a formula baby is pasty and smelly? My son always had rosey cheeks and did not 'smell'. I think this depends on different aspects?

But I do agree breast milk has things in it formula does not. But I doubt my son is any 'dumber' because of it. He's very healthy and rarely gets ill. Again, I believe this depends on different things. Your making formula fed babies sound aweful... hmm.gif

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Posted 14 June 2006 - 07:09 PM

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This is an interesting thread and a good read.

My son was forumla fed because I simply could not produce enough breast milk. I wanted to breast feed, but sometimes a mother simply cannot. But, I did not prop him with a bottle, I held him in my arms to feed him.  yes.gif  

But when you said a formula baby is pasty and smelly? My son always had rosey cheeks and did not 'smell'. I think this depends on different aspects?

But I do agree breast milk has things in it formula does not. But I doubt my son is any 'dumber' because of it. He's very healthy and rarely gets ill. Again, I believe this depends on different things. Your making formula fed babies sound aweful... hmm.gif

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I am sure your baby smelled sweet and had rosey cheeks.... and I agree with you.  

She is just a little finantical.. I don't think she meant to offend ... but it did come across a little harsh   mellow.gif

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Posted 15 June 2006 - 09:56 AM

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..No offense but the health care industry is about disease management not maintaining health, they make their money off of sick people,  the circle of life will be complete with you, with the pharmacueticals suckling from your wallet, down the road, possibly you have really good insurance lol.......ah but don't listen to me you should trust your doctor...lol......




Having spent 12 years of my life in that very health care industry that you so easily belittle, I have to disagree with your comment that the industry is not about maintaining health and only about disease management. Did I also read somewhere that it also wasn’t about prevention? I’ll have to double check.

Health maintenance and preventative health maintenance are practiced at just about every level of the health care industry in some form or fashion.

I have spent countless hours formulating care plans and nursing diagnosis’ for individual patients, both healthy and ill, a large part of which includes prevention management of any future possible illness or disorders.

Another part of which includes maintaining the present health of the individual.

Another part of which includes patient education in order for the individual to continue to maintain health and prevent future health problems.

Maintain. Prevent. Manage.

Any person who walks into a doctors office, healthy and not ill, simply for a check up is practicing health maintenance and preventative health maintenance. They are not turned away at the door by us because they are not sick and therefore not going to need a prescription that will feed the wallet monster of the drug industry.

Lab tests may be run in order to determine at what stage of health a person is in and formulate a maintenance program of how a person needs to improve health, maintain health and prevent future episodes of poor health.

In the field of dermatology, patients are educated by physicians and nurses on a daily basis on how to prevent skin diseases in order to not eventually have to treat the symptoms.

In the field of pediatrics, healthy children are brought in on a daily basis for well checks and the parents educated on maintaining good health and preventative health.

In general practices, patients are educated by physicians and nurses on a daily basis on how to maintain a healthy heart, healthy lungs, healthy skin, healthy over all.

Visits to the dentists, not only to treat symptoms but for check-ups, practicing health maintenance and preventative health measures.

Take it down to the nursing aides, who turn elderly, immobile patients every 2 hours in their beds in order to prevent contractures and decubitus ulcers, therefore engaging in maintaining the patients current health status and preventing any future problems.

A few examples only that physicians and workers in the health care industry are capable of practicing health maintenance and preventative maintenance and not just “treating symptoms”.


Disease management, preventative health care and health maintenance are all intertwined. One maintains health in order to prevent illness and disease. If diseased/ill, they are treated with management of their disease/illness by prescribing a routine/medications which in turn maintains current health status and/or improves health status and at the same time are educated and treated in order to prevent progression or recurrence of the disease/illness.

Prevent. Maintain. Manage.

Just as your comments on the vegetarian thread that there is not a single protein based deficiency in the world, or that the “unhealthy vegetarian is a myth” (because there are uninformed, unknowledgeable vegetarians in the world), your comments regarding the health care industry not practicing preventative health measures and health maintenance simply are not true.


As for my opinion on the topic of milk? I personally think it goes down great, right along with the dead cow I eat twice a month. And that's my choice.



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Posted 15 June 2006 - 07:58 PM

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Having spent 12 years of my life in that very health care industry that you so easily belittle, I have to disagree with your comment that the industry is not about maintaining health and only about disease management. Did I also read somewhere that it also wasn’t about prevention? I’ll have to double check.

Health maintenance and preventative health maintenance are practiced at just about every level of the health care industry in some form or fashion.

I have spent countless hours formulating care plans and nursing diagnosis’ for individual patients, both healthy and ill, a large part of which includes prevention management of any future possible illness or disorders.

Another part of which includes maintaining the present health of the individual.

Another part of which includes patient education in order for the individual to continue to maintain health and prevent future health problems.

Maintain. Prevent. Manage.

Any person who walks into a doctors office, healthy and not ill, simply for a check up is practicing health maintenance and preventative health maintenance. They are not turned away at the door by us because they are not sick and therefore not going to need a prescription that will feed the wallet monster of the drug industry.

Lab tests may be run in order to determine at what stage of health a person is in and formulate a maintenance program of how a person needs to improve health, maintain health and prevent future episodes of poor health.

In the field of dermatology, patients are educated by physicians and nurses on a daily basis on how to prevent skin diseases in order to not eventually have to treat the symptoms.

In the field of pediatrics, healthy children are brought in on a daily basis for well checks and the parents educated on maintaining good health and preventative health.

In general practices, patients are educated by physicians and nurses on a daily basis on how to maintain a healthy heart, healthy lungs, healthy skin, healthy over all.

Visits to the dentists, not only to treat symptoms but for check-ups, practicing health maintenance and preventative health measures.

Take it down to the nursing aides, who turn elderly, immobile patients every 2 hours in their beds in order to prevent contractures and decubitus ulcers, therefore engaging in maintaining the patients current health status and preventing any future problems.

A few examples only that physicians and workers in the health care industry are capable of practicing health maintenance and preventative maintenance and not just “treating symptoms”.
Disease management, preventative health care and health maintenance are all intertwined. One maintains health in order to prevent illness and disease. If diseased/ill, they are treated with management of their disease/illness by prescribing a routine/medications which in turn maintains current health status and/or improves health status and at the same time are educated and treated in order to prevent progression or recurrence of the disease/illness.

Prevent. Maintain. Manage.

Just as your comments on the vegetarian thread that there is not a single protein based deficiency in the world, or that the “unhealthy vegetarian is a myth” (because there are uninformed, unknowledgeable vegetarians in the world), your comments regarding the health care industry not practicing preventative health measures and health maintenance simply are not true.
As for my opinion on the topic of milk? I personally think it goes down great, right along with the dead cow I eat twice a month. And that's my choice.



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Posted 15 June 2006 - 10:01 PM

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EXCELLENT poost halo..you are a credit to the forum LOL  grin2.gif
In general....MILK is good for you..as long as you dont over do it...so if anyone tells you its NOT good for you..all because they are against it..they are talking through their backsides happy.gif


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