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My daughter, Briana, was born on Oct 17, 1996 and she died on Sept 28, 1997. Thats 19 days BEFORE her 1st birthday. Never really knew much about SIDS until after but I still have my doubts. According to the medical examiners report they listed certain things that stuck out and next to it explained what they thought the cause to be. Her lungs and thymus had petechial hemorrhages which was listed as secondary to CPR. They also stated that she had 3 cc of blood within her vaginal vault and petechial hemorrhaging on the posterior serousal aspect of her bladder wall, which was also listed as possibly being secondary to CPR. When you do chest compression you use two fingers in the center of the chest right below the inframammary line and well above the xyphoid process. Since when would put pressure that far down on the abdomen. Ive always felt something else happened. Her babysitter told me later that she had been unusually fussy that night and when she checked on her less than an hour before she died she was hot. Its extremely rare for a 11 month old to succomb to SIDS (less than 10% chance) and she was on her back when she died (more than not babies die on their stomach. They tested for drugs and alcohol but not poisons. They said that most poisons are indicative of burns in and around the mouth. But there are other poisons that do not burn and can kill you. They said she had a cheesy material in her stomach. After the autopsy they didnt seem willing to consider the possibilty of it not being SIDS. In autopsy there are certain things they dont look for unless they have reason to. What do you think.

[Beckys_Mom]

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My daughter, Briana, was born on Oct 17, 1996 and she died on Sept 28, 1997. Thats 19 days BEFORE her 1st birthday. Never really knew much about SIDS until after but I still have my doubts. According to the medical examiners report they listed certain things that stuck out and next to it explained what they thought the cause to be. Her lungs and thymus had petechial hemorrhages which was listed as secondary to CPR. They also stated that she had 3 cc of blood within her vaginal vault and petechial hemorrhaging on the posterior serousal aspect of her bladder wall, which was also listed as possibly being secondary to CPR. When you do chest compression you use two fingers in the center of the chest right below the inframammary line and well above the xyphoid process. Since when would put pressure that far down on the abdomen. Ive always felt something else happened. Her babysitter told me later that she had been unusually fussy that night and when she checked on her less than an hour before she died she was hot. Its extremely rare for a 11 month old to succomb to SIDS (less than 10% chance) and she was on her back when she died (more than not babies die on their stomach. They tested for drugs and alcohol but not poisons. They said that most poisons are indicative of burns in and around the mouth. But there are other poisons that do not burn and can kill you. They said she had a cheesy material in her stomach. After the autopsy they didnt seem willing to consider the possibilty of it not being SIDS. In autopsy there are certain things they dont look for unless they have reason to. What do you think.

1st of all girl I am so so so sorry you have went through this ..

I have a lil one who is over 10 months old...babies at that age tend to put anything into their mouths...I have had to pull out papaer, cardboard and other things she was chewing on.once her dad caught her with a plastic bag..it was a very small pag..he didnt know where she got it..but there shewas chrewing on it...he snatched it off her....if we leave her alone in her play pen...she will try and chew on her blankets..so we take them away too..so she chews on her lil toys...but like I said they put anything into their mouths..

She once took a handful of my hair and treid to insert it into her mouth..I grabed it all off her...I have to watch her all the time, and I can be hard

I think you are right...I dont think it was SIDS...I think your lil one, was most likely chewing on material of some kind...when you where out/not around..and this material has dye from it and has poisioned her perhapps?? I dunno..I am only guessing

I am sad you lost her ....its heartbreaking to say the least...but after this post...I will keep all materials ect out of Beckys way...its all I can do...sigh

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1st of all girl I am so so so sorry you have went through this ..

I have a lil one who is over 10 months old...babies at that age tend to put anything into their mouths...I have had to pull out papaer, cardboard and other things she was chewing on.once her dad caught her with a plastic bag..it was a very small pag..he didnt know where she got it..but there shewas chrewing on it...he snatched it off her....if we leave her alone in her play pen...she will try and chew on her blankets..so we take them away too..so she chews on her lil toys...but like I said they put anything into their mouths..

She once took a handful of my hair and treid to insert it into her mouth..I grabed it all off her...I have to watch her all the time, and I can be hard

I think you are right...I dont think it was SIDS...I think your lil one, was most likely chewing on material of some kind...when you where out/not around..and this material has dye from it and has poisioned her perhapps?? I dunno..I am only guessing

I am sad you lost her ....its heartbreaking to say the least...but after this post...I will keep all materials ect out of Beckys way...its all I can do...sigh

I dont know whats worse, not knowing or knowing. my 7 yr old was born a year to the day we buried her, i begged for a apnea monitor but his dr didnt feel he needed it. i only slept when i had someone to watch him to make sure he didnt stop breathing. Instead of enjoying him like i should have i spent all my time worrying i would find him not breathing. ive had two other sons since then and they both were on monitors. My 6 mth old will be on his monitor until hes a year old. That gives me some comfort in knowing i will be alerted if something is wrong. The one thing i remember is that she cried all the time and i couldnt understand why.I will forever have that image burned in my mind when i found her. It had not been long since she had passed but it was enough where she could not be revived. They stopped trying 30 mins after she arrived at the hospital. But what i couldnt understand was we thought she was going to be okay because the fireman told us she had a weak pulse and her color looked better, we were not prepared when we got to the hospital and we were taken to a room to wait for the dr. The first thing out of his mouth was "Im sorry", like being kicked in the stomach twice. I told him what we were told and he said it was impossible because of the condition she was in when she arrived. She had not been revived at all it simply was too late. He said the brain starts to die after just a few minutes without oxygen.

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I dont know whats worse, not knowing or knowing. my 7 yr old was born a year to the day we buried her, i begged for a apnea monitor but his dr didnt feel he needed it. i only slept when i had someone to watch him to make sure he didnt stop breathing. Instead of enjoying him like i should have i spent all my time worrying i would find him not breathing. ive had two other sons since then and they both were on monitors. My 6 mth old will be on his monitor until hes a year old. That gives me some comfort in knowing i will be alerted if something is wrong. The one thing i remember is that she cried all the time and i couldnt understand why.I will forever have that image burned in my mind when i found her. It had not been long since she had passed but it was enough where she could not be revived. They stopped trying 30 mins after she arrived at the hospital. But what i couldnt understand was we thought she was going to be okay because the fireman told us she had a weak pulse and her color looked better, we were not prepared when we got to the hospital and we were taken to a room to wait for the dr. The first thing out of his mouth was "Im sorry", like being kicked in the stomach twice. I told him what we were told and he said it was impossible because of the condition she was in when she arrived. She had not been revived at all it simply was too late. He said the brain starts to die after just a few minutes without oxygen.

OMG again I am so sorry I had a lump in my throat just reading that.

I understand as to why you spent your time worrying all the time...its natural to do that

When I lost my 1st child...the second time I got pregnant I worried myself sick through out the entire pregnancy...and as for SIDS...I used to sit up nearly every night worrying and praying...I still pray and worry...I will always do that....but ever sinse reading your post..it has stuck in my head...((((((Hugs))))))) I believe in the afterlife...I am a firm believer that we see all our loved ones again...I hope you do too..in fact i'll set up a special prayer thread on my forum...RAW BERRIS for you..to hope you feel stronger every day...cuz I just sat there and imagined what it would be like to find my lil girl who is almost 11 months now...in the same condiction...omg ....please be strong

EDIT I have made the thread for you http://berriclan.myf...ra3844.php#3844

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I dont know whats worse, not knowing or knowing. my 7 yr old was born a year to the day we buried her, i begged for a apnea monitor but his dr didnt feel he needed it. i only slept when i had someone to watch him to make sure he didnt stop breathing. Instead of enjoying him like i should have i spent all my time worrying i would find him not breathing. ive had two other sons since then and they both were on monitors. My 6 mth old will be on his monitor until hes a year old. That gives me some comfort in knowing i will be alerted if something is wrong. The one thing i remember is that she cried all the time and i couldnt understand why.I will forever have that image burned in my mind when i found her. It had not been long since she had passed but it was enough where she could not be revived. They stopped trying 30 mins after she arrived at the hospital. But what i couldnt understand was we thought she was going to be okay because the fireman told us she had a weak pulse and her color looked better, we were not prepared when we got to the hospital and we were taken to a room to wait for the dr. The first thing out of his mouth was "Im sorry", like being kicked in the stomach twice. I told him what we were told and he said it was impossible because of the condition she was in when she arrived. She had not been revived at all it simply was too late. He said the brain starts to die after just a few minutes without oxygen.

Jen, I am so, so sorry for your loss. I can't imagine what that'd do to someone.. For what it's worth, I will hold a thought for you and your family every day of my life, hoping that you live your life happily, succesfully and that you don't have to endure any more grief. I really do. If you ever need to talk, or need support you're more than welcome to PM or email me and i'll be there...

Take Care

Jay

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if crib deaths (SIDS) are caused by the fire retardants in baby mattress'
why doesn't our country ban those chemicals?

they do indeed contain toxins that especially to an infant can be deadly, toxins readily absorb in a infant anyone for that matter,the average human is a toxic waste dump due to tthe amoun tof toxins ingested ion a daily basis... and the question is a good question Nicole welcome to Um...
For a long time now sids has been causing alot of concern for the medical genre and most parents, no doubt the first year is scary for alot of parents...A chemist in new Zealand by the name of James Sprott, has a compelling case that crib death is caused by the synergy of chemicals found in fire retardants put in mattresses at the point of maufactoring...A fungus that grows within bedding and is rather common MAY interact with the chemicals and the heat of the baby may be enough to asphyxiate them...It stands to reason a baby woud be much more susceptable to these toxins then a bigger child or adult...In New Zaaland new parents have been urged to wrap the mattress in a protective covering and according to health practitioners SIDS has fallen about 48%....

as a parent i would demand they find the cause........

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they do indeed contain toxins that especially to an infant can be deadly, toxins readily absorb in a infant anyone for that matter,the average human is a toxic waste dump due to tthe amoun tof toxins ingested ion a daily basis... and the question is a good question Nicole welcome to Um...
For a long time now sids has been causing alot of concern for the medical genre and most parents, no doubt the first year is scary for alot of parents...A chemist in new Zealand by the name of James Sprott, has a compelling case that crib death is caused by the synergy of chemicals found in fire retardants put in mattresses at the point of maufactoring...A fungus that grows within bedding and is rather common MAY interact with the chemicals and the heat of the baby may be enough to asphyxiate them...It stands to reason a baby woud be much more susceptable to these toxins then a bigger child or adult...In New Zaaland new parents have been urged to wrap the mattress in a protective covering and according to health practitioners SIDS has fallen about 48%....

as a parent i would demand they find the cause........

According to you, I guess nothing is safe.

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According to you, I guess nothing is safe.

Gee, Ericraven did you forget to post on the OP?????

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Um.... getting back on topic.

When my first was born, putting them to bed on their tummies was the norm. When my second was born, it was putting them on their backs. She hated it. She would not sleep. She would scream, it was horrible. It got to the point were she would kick her legs so hard, it would flip her on her tummy and she would soon be asleep.

A nurse (AND THIS IS JUST AN OPINION, GO BY WHAT YOUR DOCTOR SAYS) at the hospital finally told me she really did not think there was a lot of difference between back and stomach. She felt it was the blankets, pillows, toys, bumpers, etc. people felt they needed to put in cribs. I never put stuffed toys, pillows or anything in the crib. I waited until they moved to a bed for that. I even took the bumper out. I was lucky, both mine were born in the summer, they just got light blankets from the waist down the first few months.

My little one simply would not sleep unless she was on her tummy. The nurses in the hospital couldn't get her to sleep on her back either. They ended up holding and rocking her. By the time she was three months, she could flip on her tummy by herself. We even tried that wedge to keep her on her side at least, she is a stubborn one, she wouldn't have any of it. I got very little sleep the first few months. I drove my husband nuts, I kept her crib right by my bed for the first six months. After she was put back in her room, I was in there almost hourly.

SIDS is terrifying. I have not met a mother yet that was not afraid of it or didn't have it in the back of her mind when their kids were babies.

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Um.... getting back on topic.

When my first was born, putting them to bed on their tummies was the norm. When my second was born, it was putting them on their backs. She hated it. She would not sleep. She would scream, it was horrible. It got to the point were she would kick her legs so hard, it would flip her on her tummy and she would soon be asleep.

A nurse (AND THIS IS JUST AN OPINION, GO BY WHAT YOUR DOCTOR SAYS) at the hospital finally told me she really did not think there was a lot of difference between back and stomach. She felt it was the blankets, pillows, toys, bumpers, etc. people felt they needed to put in cribs. I never put stuffed toys, pillows or anything in the crib. I waited until they moved to a bed for that. I even took the bumper out. I was lucky, both mine were born in the summer, they just got light blankets from the waist down the first few months.

My little one simply would not sleep unless she was on her tummy. The nurses in the hospital couldn't get her to sleep on her back either. They ended up holding and rocking her. By the time she was three months, she could flip on her tummy by herself. We even tried that wedge to keep her on her side at least, she is a stubborn one, she wouldn't have any of it. I got very little sleep the first few months. I drove my husband nuts, I kept her crib right by my bed for the first six months. After she was put back in her room, I was in there almost hourly.

SIDS is terrifying. I have not met a mother yet that was not afraid of it or didn't have it in the back of her mind when their kids were babies.

Ill admit even though they said it wasnt safe, My 2 yr old slept in the bed with me until he started crawling. He was on a monitor, that and him sleeping with me gave me much comfort. The only thing was when I moved him to his crib he hated it and my husband and I would go back and forth taking turns picking him up and rocking him, letting him fall asleep on our chest just for him to start screaming as soon as we laid him back in his crib. Now with my 6 mth old, he has slept in his own bed for the most part and did not have anything in his bed either except for ablanket if it was cold. Now a new type of blanket has come out that prevents baby from pulling it over his head, but its more for colder weather, with it being hot as its been lately he just wears something light. My daughter put a stuffed animal in his crib when I wasnt looking. The next thing I knew it was on top of him (it was larger than him) I explained to her why nothing is allowed in the crib with him unless i put it there. Hes supposed to be on his monitor until hes a year old which is already becoming a struggle since as soon as he wakes up he pulls on the cord and the lead gets loose then alarm goes off and you have to peel yourself off the ceiling.

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Ill admit even though they said it wasnt safe, My 2 yr old slept in the bed with me until he started crawling. He was on a monitor, that and him sleeping with me gave me much comfort. The only thing was when I moved him to his crib he hated it and my husband and I would go back and forth taking turns picking him up and rocking him, letting him fall asleep on our chest just for him to start screaming as soon as we laid him back in his crib. Now with my 6 mth old, he has slept in his own bed for the most part and did not have anything in his bed either except for ablanket if it was cold. Now a new type of blanket has come out that prevents baby from pulling it over his head, but its more for colder weather, with it being hot as its been lately he just wears something light. My daughter put a stuffed animal in his crib when I wasnt looking. The next thing I knew it was on top of him (it was larger than him) I explained to her why nothing is allowed in the crib with him unless i put it there. Hes supposed to be on his monitor until hes a year old which is already becoming a struggle since as soon as he wakes up he pulls on the cord and the lead gets loose then alarm goes off and you have to peel yourself off the ceiling.

Also I got one of those wedges to keep him from turning over. Its done the trick so far. Nowadays they are made with a breathable sturdier material so he hasnt flipped over out of it yet. Of course once he starts getting mobile it wont do me any good.

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Ill admit even though they said it wasnt safe, My 2 yr old slept in the bed with me until he started crawling. He was on a monitor, that and him sleeping with me gave me much comfort. The only thing was when I moved him to his crib he hated it and my husband and I would go back and forth taking turns picking him up and rocking him, letting him fall asleep on our chest just for him to start screaming as soon as we laid him back in his crib. Now with my 6 mth old, he has slept in his own bed for the most part and did not have anything in his bed either except for ablanket if it was cold. Now a new type of blanket has come out that prevents baby from pulling it over his head, but its more for colder weather, with it being hot as its been lately he just wears something light. My daughter put a stuffed animal in his crib when I wasnt looking. The next thing I knew it was on top of him (it was larger than him) I explained to her why nothing is allowed in the crib with him unless i put it there. Hes supposed to be on his monitor until hes a year old which is already becoming a struggle since as soon as he wakes up he pulls on the cord and the lead gets loose then alarm goes off and you have to peel yourself off the ceiling.

welcome jenn, to tell you the truth i never owned a crib i have 3 children we were getting through that first year alive...i used to put a mirror under their noses to make sure they were breathing enen with me on watch all nite...i didn't sleep the first year, i had a dear friend who came everyday so i could rest and she watched my boys I was paranoid big time........I don't care who said what my kids were with me, in my eye sight not off in some room in a crib...to many things can happen......

[Kahrie]

I believe the babies that die from SIDS have some sort of lung problem that causes their deaths

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I believe the babies that die from SIDS have some sort of lung problem that causes their deaths

At that early of an age? I don't think so...Lung disease and SID?

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At that early of an age? I don't think so...Lung disease and SID?

no there are some babies that are found lying on their back DEAD, there is no clue e.g blankets etc to provide some clue as to what happened to them. i was meaning that a lung disease that causes them to suffocate while they sleep.some people stop breathing while they sleep don't they and wake up with a startle and start breathing again right? then why can't babies have this as well? i find it amazing how noone has found the cause for it

they have linked the season of winter and if you are a poor family you have a high chance of loosing a baby to SIDS