This is so funny...
Okay MID, I'll bite. How do you KNOW they did? Were you there? Did you see it on TV. Because I see alot of things on TV and most of it is smoke and mirrors.
Well, I wasn't asking for a bite. I was merely stating a fact of humanity. There is a difference between knowledge and belief.
But to answer your questions: yes, and yes to the last two.
As to the first, knowing is a product of experience, and learning. If anyone has an understanding of the basis of the scienes involved, and one merely observes in detail what happens, one can know. Anyone who was involved in one of the thousands of areas that comprised the Apollo program, has some experience in one facet or another, or is someone who wasn't involved, yet posesses a reasonable, logical, and curious mind, can only conclude that this thing was done.
Examining it in all of its astounding detail shows rather clearly that it is an untenable, and indeed impossible notion that any faking could have gone on.
There were hundreds of thousands of people involved in the early manned space program. None of them know everything about everything that went on.
And just because some people sat in the launch control center and launched the Saturn V...they saw it rise off the pad and disappear into the eastern sky, that doesn't prove we went.
The guys in the MOCR in Houston...they didn't see anything but TV feeds and reams of data. How do they know we did it? Hmmm.
Then of course, there are the astronaut crews who actually flew the vehicles, landed on the moon, walked about, and returned. We certainly can't believe these guys when they tell us all about their missions. After all, there were just those three guys up there. It's just their word.
We need to drop the how do you know stuff, really. These people all did this thing. They all know, and anyone with intelligence knows they did it. Asking the question is really just being intellectually lazy, because the "evidence" for the project's success is incredibly voluminous, tangible, and available to anyone at all anymore. We have the samples, of course, and the film and photographic and video record...that's the tangible stuff. And tens of thousands of scientific / technical reports which show the results down to the most minute and non-descript detail of every aspect of every mission flown. Those things often require a little specialized knowledge to understand, or at least some basic background in mathematics and sciences.
Ask these people who know to prove it and they understandably look at you like you're somewhat out of your mind.
And the strangest things come up as this hoax silliness propogates. We see some upstart like Sibrel interrogating astronauts, asking Gene Cernan, for instance, how did they take those TV pictures of your lunar module leaving the moon.
He looks at him with a confused expression, as if to say, 'What the hell does that have to do with anything...?' and says, 'How did they film it...I dunno...some one controlled the camera from Houston, you know...they pitched the camera up and followed it,' or something like that.
Despite the fact that the crews could've cared less about that detail, and that some of them had no inside skinny on how Ed Fendell was actually doing that in the MOCR, the confusion in the answer immediately seems to somehow translate into "evidence" that the whole thing was faked!
Ludicrous. No one knew everything. Astronauts didn't know the details about what flight controllers were actually doing, and flight controllers had no intimate knowledge of specifics regarding crew activities outside their realm of expertise and training...so? That's just perfectly natural stuff in a project so complex as this one was.
The fact is, we all know that Columbus sighted San Salvador in the present-day Bahamas in October of 1492. This is accepted to be the discovery of the America's. But what do we have to back up this event which occurred some 514 years ago?
There are no photos, no films, no video, no artifacts...just the 5 centuries old written records from the ship's logs, and other documentation written to the King of Spain regarding the lands discovered.
We buy this completely, and accept it as a known.
Yet, the "proof" of Columbus' voyages are miniscule compared to the documentation of Apollo, which, as I've said before (although this has been describned as merely "my opinion" by a less-than-erudite poster who has already had two threads shut down because of his silliness) is the most documented occurrance in human history. Yet, we see this idea that the whole thing was faked, despite its incontrovertible documentation, made a mere few decades ago, and despite the fact that there are still a slew of people alive today who actually participated in this adventure...including 9 of the 12 men who actually walked on the moon!
It happened. Lots of people do not understand how it happened, but it did. Lots of people are duped by the less-than knowledgeable who think they see something fishy...only because of their own lack of knowledge, and see an opportunity to inflate their egos by putting out a crafty product deliberately designed to ignore fact and make people "believe" that the whole thing could've somehow been faked.
Unfortunate, but true.
This paradigm produces what you call "smoke and mirrors". That is merely the product of lack of understanding, and very often, creative and deliberate editing, and leaving out the true context of what is being presented.
Threads like this one are supposed to be for asking questions, discussing, and learning. Making blanket conclusions like, 'We aren't going back because we CAN'T' doesn't serve the purpose. Making conclusions about van Allen and solar radiation hazards being un-survivable without any particular knowledge on the subject matter also is rather valueless (since they were survivable and we did survive them, rather easily...since they were well planned for, and rather well understood at the time).
We're more than happy to get questions.
But lets make them questions.
You're also going to have to commit a bit of time and personal energy to research what is said yourself, as an exercise in self-knowledge.
Lilly's already linked to Jay's site over there at Clavius. That's a good place to get some explanations!
But you may note that a few people here are a little testy right now with blanket statements like the one's you assert. There's a very simple reason for that.
Let's ask questions where you have doubts. We'll actually be happy to guide you in a direction that will provide you with knowledge. But...you're effort will be expected and required.
And please...don't go over to ApolloHoax.net and start putting these sorts of posts there. They are chomping at the bit for someone to chew on!
We may, on the whole, be a little nicer in the overall than they are (trust me, they tire quickly of uncritical thinking skills and obstinance in untenable positions....they'll ban you straight away for being silly and not making an effort to intelligently discuss), but patience may be wearing a little thin here as well with unintelligent banter.
You have an open invitation to ask anything you like.
There will also be an expectation on my part at least that you will read what's written, and research it for yourself.
We would like to keep this thread devoid of mind-boggling ( ) obstinance in the face of the facts...