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#1    Nintendork

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Posted 19 October 2003 - 09:23 PM

i had made up a list of things that kinda were odd in the bible


1. ifit said that god created humans as the first living creatures on earth, whatever happened to the dinosaurs?

2. why do they call it the land of milk and honey if honey was not discovered during king tut's reign?

3.if the bible says god created everything, then why do we have any knowledge of science?

4. what did god do to the other plantes,galaxies, ect?

5. If God did not approve of sex, then how come he wanted MORE men in his image.


OK, i am an athiest. i always asked these questions as a  kid in sunday school

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Posted 19 October 2003 - 09:34 PM

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1. ifit said that god created humans as the first living creatures on earth, whatever happened to the dinosaurs?

2. why do they call it the land of milk and honey if honey was not discovered during king tut's reign?

3.if the bible says god created everything, then why do we have any knowledge of science?

4. what did god do to the other plantes,galaxies, ect?

5. If God did not approve of sex, then how come he wanted MORE men in his image.



There are some simple answer to these questions, the Bible was written before the creatures known as dinosaurs were known to exist by the masses, sure people would have found some bones but they would have been described as monsters such as Giants and Dragons.

Also, why did honey not exist back in King Tut's reign? people knew about the stuff that bee's make, they just did not use it that much, but other than that, the bible has been edited and altered over the years to suit the people that wanted it to say what they wanted it to.  We have knowledge of science as people initially wanted to find out about things, this led to the term science being applied to what they did to find out things.  

god did not do anything to the other planets, they just happened by themselves, and the bible says that god created heaven and earth, not the rest of the universe. And I don't even get the last bit, so I can't comment on it.

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Posted 20 October 2003 - 02:22 AM

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If God did not approve of sex, then how come he wanted MORE men in his image.


God isn't the one who didn't like sex, that should be brought to rest squarely on the shoulders of the Catholic church.

As far as monogamy, that was brought about for the stability of the family post new testament.  Before that, Men were allowed to take on as many wives as they could handle.  

The real questions are "why did man interpret  it this way?" and "What ever happened to Lillith?"  If you hadn't heard, Lillith was Adams first wife, Made from the same clay as Adam, and she was his equal.  Apparently, she didn't like Adam's assumption that he was boss, and left.  Then we get stuck with the inferior view of Eve, who was merely made from one of Adams ribs.  Thereafter, women are no longer equals in the eyes of the religious, and sex becomes a dirty thing, that can be held against them.  

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And all that 's best of dark and bright
Meet in her aspect and her eyes:
Thus mellow'd to that tender light
Which heaven to gaudy day denies.
One shade the more, one ray the less,
Had half impair'd the nameless grace
Which waves in every raven tress,
Or softly lightens o'er her face;
Where thoughts serenely sweet express
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Posted 20 October 2003 - 04:02 AM

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1. ifit said that god created humans as the first living creatures on earth, whatever happened to the dinosaurs?

First off, man was the last of god's creatures created on the sixth day (Gen 1:24-31).  And the philisophical question behind this is "How long is a day to god?"  Mayhap a day to god is a few million years as we count time now.  Could be he experimented around with dinos and other types of creatures before fixing on man as the dominant species.  Heck, we may not even be the last.  But that is another thread.

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2. why do they call it the land of milk and honey if honey was not discovered during king tut's reign?

As Althalus said, they knew about it, but didn't really have much use for it.  The wax would have been more useful.  The term "Milk and Honey" is simply a more contemporary analogy to "A better place."  Whatever term was used in the original writing may have changed meaning over time, so it was changed in one of the translations.

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3.if the bible says god created everything, then why do we have any knowledge of science?

Bible also says that God knows all and sees all.  We, on the other hand, do not.  He did give us intelligence so that we might figure some of the mystery out for ourselves.  Faith can be a wonderful thing for those who want and accept it.  But Faith and Science don't have to be mutually exclusive.

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4. what did god do to the other plantes,galaxies, ect?

Not to contadict Al, but according to (most) beliefs, God did create the entire universe.  At least they say that now.  At the time the bible was put together there was no real grasp of the universe, galaxies, the solar system, or even other planets.  So it would follow that there is no real mention of his actions on other worlds.

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5. If God did not approve of sex, then how come he wanted MORE men in his image.

Not approve of sex?  God administered the first marriage!  Church sanctioned sex!  There are some basic rules outlined, of course.  No adultery is one.  There are others you probably already know.


Lilith I'll get to in the other thread.

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Posted 20 October 2003 - 06:01 AM

QUOTE (soulfire78 @ Oct 19 2003, 10:22 PM)
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If God did not approve of sex, then how come he wanted MORE men in his image.


God isn't the one who didn't like sex, that should be brought to rest squarely on the shoulders of the Catholic church.


Sorry here, the Catholic Church has nothing against sex , as long as it is inside a marriage that is blessed by the church. As with any other organised religion.



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Posted 20 October 2003 - 11:10 AM

QUOTE (connecian @ Oct 20 2003, 06:01 AM)

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Sorry here, the Catholic Church has nothing against sex

i know, but im lutheran

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Posted 20 October 2003 - 02:26 PM

QUOTE (Nintendork @ Oct 20 2003, 04:10 AM)
i know, but im lutheran

What does that have to do with anything?  I was raised in the Lutheran church (primarily), and their view of sex is no different than the Catholic view.  Well, Lutherans are not so hung up on the subject, anyways.

And, no, I am no bible thumper.  My many years of various religious schooling (Christian faiths) have left me a confirmed agnostic. mellow.gif




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Nintendork Posted on Oct 19 2003, 02:23 PM
OK, i am an athiest

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Nintendork Posted on Oct 20 2003, 04:10 AM
i know, but im lutheran

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Did you find religion over night?

Edited by schadeaux, 20 October 2003 - 02:30 PM.

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Posted 20 October 2003 - 03:03 PM

Nintendork, I thought we discussed this. Please stop making nonsense posts, if you want to be taken seriously.

Thank you.

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Posted 11 December 2003 - 11:25 PM

    My queastion is not whither the Bible is true or not. But why those who say on one hand that everything in it is true say that witches, sorcerors, and warlock are not true when God says to kill those people. Why worry about having something killed that does not exist?  huh.gif



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Posted 11 December 2003 - 11:38 PM

does the bible really say "KILL ALL WARLOCKS WITCHES AND SORCERERS" ????

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Posted 11 December 2003 - 11:48 PM

And man also or womanthat hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death; they shall stone them with stones; there blood shall be upon them   Leviticus 20:27.

    Sounds dead to me cool.gif
   But then there have ben other times that God has let people off the hook of "death  worthy times" Why would a man you killes another man to take his wife be allowed to live; and a witch, who may not even be doing anything hurtful be command to die? Where is the line ? I honestly don't know why God shows mercy to some and judgement ot others.

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Posted 13 December 2003 - 05:05 PM

I'd hate to be a magician, stones... owww wacko.gif  


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Posted 14 December 2003 - 03:26 AM

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Sorry here, the Catholic Church has nothing against sex , as long as it is inside a marriage that is blessed by the church. As with any other organised religion.


Three words:

Nuns

Monks

Priests

Name one saint that wasn't one of the three listed.  Are these folks allowed to partake in the pleasures of the flesh, even in marriage?

(I fully believe in marriage.  I go to a church where the pastor is married and has six kids.  He's constantly preaching the virtues of marriage.)

She walks in beauty, like the night
Of cloudless climes and starry skies;
And all that 's best of dark and bright
Meet in her aspect and her eyes:
Thus mellow'd to that tender light
Which heaven to gaudy day denies.
One shade the more, one ray the less,
Had half impair'd the nameless grace
Which waves in every raven tress,
Or softly lightens o'er her face;
Where thoughts serenely sweet express
How pure, how dear their dwelling-place.

And on that cheek, and o'er that brow,
So soft, so calm, yet eloquent,
The smiles that win, the tints that glow,
But tell of days in goodness spent,
A mind at peace with all below,
A heart whose love is innocent!

Lord Byron

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Posted 14 December 2003 - 04:03 AM

BTW...Regarding previous posts...

I am not a man hating feminist.  Nor do think the big "THEY" are out to oppress women.  I just believe that occasionally throughout history things have been misinterpreted to the detriment of some groups of people.

(ie until the 1980's, the Mormon Church believed that when God cast Caine and his children "into darkness" that God was referring to dark skinned people.  Secondary to this, people with dark skin -Native American, African, etc...-were allowed to be converted LDS, but could not attend temple like the rest of the congregation.)

I believe it is very possible-even probable-that the bible has been misinterpretted and mistranslated by the men who compiled the books that are read today.  There is even evidence to suggest that the original hebrew manuscripts were misconstrued.

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I believe that the ORIGINAL AUTOGRAPHS that the original writers who understood the original concept and truth of what we now call the  BIBLE were inspired by the SPIRIT of the ALMIGHTY...


...We are compelled to investigate  3 little words that have shaped our past and possibly our eternity.   Translation, Version and Transliteration.

'Knock and the door will be opened to you , seek and you will find...'

We must remember - we are  intelligent humans made in the 'image and likeness' of Yah (God) and our brains should not be disengaged when reading the Bible or listening to someone preach or teach us!  PLEASE don't be ignorant!

All of our study and investigation should however be fueled by the Spirit of Yah. When we study as the Bible has stated,  we must 'show our selves approved of Yah, as a WORKMAN, needing not to be ashamed, RIGHTLY DIVIDING the word of TRUTH. 

But if you can RIGHTLY DIVIDE then the opposite is also true...we can WRONGLY DIVIDE the word of TRUTH.

When we are reading the King James Version, American Standard, New World Translation, New English Version, Jewish New Testament, Latin Vulgate or any other Bible can we be sure that it is accurately based on the original African Text? 

If not then are we suppose to let it rest there and not ask some pertinent questions?  We need to get away from the notion that PRINT  is the truth - check me out too and don't disengage your brain!

When the Hellenistic Hebrews translated the Bible (Septuagint) it was customary to add letters to the ends of thename of the people and places in the Bible to or change the names to make it sound more Greek, and to obscure the relationship between the Shemetic tribe and Khemetic tribes. Political struggles abounded - and the adversary was trying to divide, conquer and co-opt.
She walks in beauty, like the night
Of cloudless climes and starry skies;
And all that 's best of dark and bright
Meet in her aspect and her eyes:
Thus mellow'd to that tender light
Which heaven to gaudy day denies.
One shade the more, one ray the less,
Had half impair'd the nameless grace
Which waves in every raven tress,
Or softly lightens o'er her face;
Where thoughts serenely sweet express
How pure, how dear their dwelling-place.

And on that cheek, and o'er that brow,
So soft, so calm, yet eloquent,
The smiles that win, the tints that glow,
But tell of days in goodness spent,
A mind at peace with all below,
A heart whose love is innocent!

Lord Byron

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Posted 15 December 2003 - 04:25 PM

The above post is absolutely correct; and hits on the head the true problems with the bible.
Unfortunately, Nintendork has decided to ignore the true problems of translation and instead quibble about several non-issues. (Three of which he was completely incorrect and unfounded about in the first place... and the others that were easily and earnestly explained away.)
Otherwise, everyone has said exactly what I have to say about this topic; so thank you.
When you want to attack the bible for it's true faults, then we can have a discussion... until then, do a little research before you do your bitching! wink2.gif  original.gif  

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