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better check that again, mr bible!


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#31    PsychicPenguin

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Posted 09 February 2004 - 02:47 PM

QUOTE (BeetlemanEXE @ Feb 8 2004, 08:23 PM)
  the order God created the world, it never said that God made man first. In fact, man was the LAST thing to be made.

Actually God created Adam first, then He proceeded to create plants and animals, and finaly He created Eve. This is mentioned in the 2nd creation account in Genesis 2:4-25. wink2.gif

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I also don't believe in evolution. We have never really seen it take place.


This is a common myth. We have seen evolution in the modern time. There are several instances of speciation (birth of new species) that has been recorded. Also natural selection is definitely a fact. Also the fossils will not be found in strata configuration if they were there because of the global flood. devil.gif

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One thing that seperates me from most Christians I know is that I believe the world was very technologically advanced before the World Flood


With Homo sapiens have been arround for at least 100,000 years and our civilization started 6,000 years ago, you might be correct here thumbsup.gif  wink2.gif


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Posted 09 February 2004 - 02:49 PM

She was Fraziers wife  laugh.gif


The legend in question was inspired by the Bible's dual accounts of the creation of the first woman, which led its author to the conclusion that Adam had a first wife before his marriage to Eve. Adam's original mate was the demonic Lilith who had been fashioned, just like her male counterpart, from the dust of the earth. Lilith insisted from the outset on equal treatment, a fact which caused constant friction between the couple. Eventually the frustrated Lilith used her magical powers to fly away from her spouse. At Adam's urging, God dispatched three angels to negotiate her return. When these angels made threats against Lilith's demonic descendants, she countered that she would prey eternally upon newborn human babies, who could be saved only by invoking the protection of the three angels. In the end Lilith stood her ground and never returned to her husband.

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Posted 09 February 2004 - 02:49 PM

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if i'm not mistaken, Lilith is a Jewish story as opposed to a christian biblical one.


So...
Adam is from a Christian Story.
Lilith is from a Jewish Story.
And Rei Ayanami is from a Japanese story, but the question is, does it really matter?

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Posted 09 February 2004 - 05:41 PM

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She was Fraziers wife



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Posted 10 February 2004 - 12:44 AM

    Oh my!!! How on Earth did this thread get started up again?!!! I thought we killed it!!! Oh well. Talon although I can see your point in saying that all this religion stuff really doesn't matter; as I have told your sister many times( at least I think Seraph said she was your sis, correct me if I am wrong). Religion matters because we as humans make it matter. We find a belief and latch on to it so strongly that we can not give it up no matter what. We are willingh to die for our beliefs, and we are drivin to do great works for and by our beliefs. It matters not whither you believe in something ( or as in your case believe inexistance of aything resembling a god) we all believe. And that is why If you can control the religion of a culture, for a great while you will control the culture.

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Posted 10 February 2004 - 02:39 AM

Oh, I'm not debating that Religion is important to people, I'm asking does it really matter to anyone who Lilith is?  tongue.gif  

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Posted 10 February 2004 - 04:18 AM

In that case I would place the importance of the topic of Lilith alongside that of "Where is the Ark?" Interesting; but not terribly relevent .

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Posted 10 February 2004 - 04:37 AM

*religion................who needs it?*


What mankind needs is forgiveness.  As the great Yota said, "Do or do not,
there is no try!"   Forgive or forgive not!   Religion cannot, will not save you.
Believing in God will not save you.  Believing in Ala will not save you.
Believing in Buddha will not save you.  Believing in Jesus will not save you.  Believing in Aslan will not save you.

Forgiveness!   The Light of the World is Forgiveness!  It is not a religion.

The Christian Churches of the World want to make a religion of Jesus.

Jesus message was simple:  Forgive.

Even as he was being tortured to death.....Forgive them!  Very Powerful Stuff!!



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Posted 10 February 2004 - 04:53 AM

errr.. I think Jesus had a little bit more than just forgiveness. I can see your point though.

But I think it goes like the game theory, because people don't forgive, then it became disadvantageous to forgive: Jesus was crucified.

Jesus spoke about not Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven. Buddha spoke about breaking the karma. Nobody ever listened. Well.. we have this instead wink2.gif


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Posted 10 February 2004 - 05:03 AM

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Posted 10 February 2004 - 05:41 AM

Forgiveness is devine.  Escecially confession! It means that you can do anything you want. Killed someone? Robbed a bank? Overdosed on crack?  No problem! Steal a car? Committed adultry? Got you covered!!
Say this 10-50 times and you are instantly forgiven!

Hail Mary!  
Full of grace!  
The Lord is with thee.  
Blessed art thou among women  
and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.  
Holy Mary,  
Mother of God,  
pray for us sinners,  
now, and at the hour of our death.  
Amen.  


.... oh to be catholic.................




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Posted 10 February 2004 - 06:17 AM

Confession in the Catholic church is not that simple. It is a result of hundreeds of years of Christian tradition, even rooted back to Judaism. In modern catholicism, confession takes care only the part between someone and God. It is necessary as a reminder to stay in the faithful way.

Philosophycaly speaking, before you can fix something, you should know that something is broken. Confession is just the part of realizing one's mistakes to the pastor, then followed by a sacred prayer with pure intention to ask for forgiveness, and not to repeat the same sin ever again.

You can compare between the Catholic tradition mentioned above, or to accept Jesus and have all sins forgiven as in Christian faith, or to hide as most non-religious people do. However, I think the real forgiveness is here:

"So if you are about to offer your gift to God at the altar and there you remember that your brother has something against you, leave your gift there in front of the altar, go at once and make peace with your brother, and then come back and offer your gift to God."


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Posted 10 February 2004 - 11:44 AM

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Forgiveness is devine. Escecially confession! It means that you can do anything you want. Killed someone? Robbed a bank? Overdosed on crack? No problem! Steal a car? Committed adultry? Got you covered!!
Say this 10-50 times and you are instantly forgiven!


Forgiveness is not a religion.  It is a cleansing of the heart.  It is what happens when you do me wrong.........and I let is slide.  It is about what happens to
the person doing the forgiving, rather than 'getting off the hook' for the forgiven.

Read this part of the Bible again folks:  (look it up yourselves) Jesus said, "If
you forgive those who have sinned against you, then my Father in heaven will
forgive you of your sins.  If you do not forgive those who have sinned against
you, neither will my Father forgive you of your sins."

Pretty cut and dried isn't it?  You can say 5000 Hail Marys.  You can give ALL of
your money to the church.   You can be baptized and preach the gospel....Jesus
tells us that in order to be forgiven........the requirement for forgiveness.........is for you yourselves to forgive.

Forgiveness isn't about telling a priest what you did wrong and saying Hail Marys.
It is about the immense love that God has for mankind....even though mankind is slothful and corrupt to the core.

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errr.. I think Jesus had a little bit more than just forgiveness. I can see your point though.


You may see my point, but perhaps are missing the greater point.  
Jesus' whole life was spent to achieve that point.....the point of forgiveness.
Consider the crucifixion.......the words ring out from the cross....Forgive them
Father, for they know not what they do............the question here is not What
Would Jesus Do.....'tis, what would you have done?

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Posted 16 April 2004 - 04:28 AM



Thursday, April 15, 2004; 10:59 PMCT

        Greetings.

        I am a new member. I have a quote that I think you will all find very
enlightening. Here it is:

                "If we go back to the beginnings of things, we shall always
           find that ignorance and fear created the gods; that imagination,
           rapture and deception embellished them; that weakness worships
           them; that custom spares them; and that tyranny favors them in
           order to profit from the blindness of men."
                                                   Baron d'Hobach
                                                   The System of Nature (1770)


        I do not wish to appear to be a "pumpkin'-smasher" (someone who, for
whatever reason, goes to some lengths in an endeavor to destroy someone
else's cherished beliefs); nevertheless, in my own personal view, the race
called Man has given the various religions-mainstream as well as others-more
than sufficient time and opportunity to "Change The World"-presumably, for the
better-and I, for one, do not see any significant "improvement/s" at all.
        In fact, it is my belief that any real improvements came about when man
started to use his own mind to find his answers (the discovery of fire and its
various uses-cooking a meal, fending off would-be predators, providing comfort
from the fear caused by Man's limited senses at night, etc., being a very good
example), instead of relying on some "belief" system which almost invariably is
not even slightly based on observable facts.
        The quote above is from a book which I purchased some time ago. The
reason why I do not give the name of this book is not because it is a "dirty" or
pornographic work, but because, even now, I'm uncertain whether or not I would
be permitted by the publishing company to reveal the name of the book to the
general public. Sorry.  cat.gif
        Thank you for your time and attention. Sincerely,

        jfizzybob0001A   thumbsup.gif   +end-of-entry: Thurs., 4/15/04; 11:27 PMCT+

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Edited by Phantom, 16 April 2004 - 05:37 AM.


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Posted 16 April 2004 - 05:39 AM

QUOTE (jfizzybob0001A @ Apr 16 2004, 07:28 AM)


Thursday, April 15, 2004; 10:59 PMCT
                "If we go back to the beginnings of things, we shall always
           find that ignorance and fear created the gods; that imagination,
           rapture and deception embellished them; that weakness worships
           them; that custom spares them; and that tyranny favors them in
           order to profit from the blindness of men."
                                                  Baron d'Hobach
                                                   The System of Nature (1770)




        The quote above is from a book which I purchased some time ago. The
reason why I do not give the name of this book is not because it is a "dirty" or
pornographic work, but because, even now, I'm uncertain whether or not I would
be permitted by the publishing company to reveal the name of the book to the
general public.

Call me silly, but didn't you just quote the name of the book?

Edited by Phantom, 16 April 2004 - 05:39 AM.

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