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#16    Waspie_Dwarf

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Posted 07 July 2006 - 02:29 AM

Ladies and Gentlemen,
Please remember that this is the Space and Astronomy forum. There are plenty of forums on this site for discussing religion. Please keep to the subject.
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Posted 07 July 2006 - 08:28 AM

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After looking at the pictures you yourself post in the thread about daily pictures of the Universe, how can you think that such a magnificently beautiful site can be anything short of the works of God.

"This most beautiful system [The Universe] could only proceed from the dominion of an intelligent and powerful Being." -Isaac Newton


I sincerely apologise and this is not meant as personal, but it sure will sound it.

This kind of talk..... whether yourself, TV or wherever really scares me.
I do not want to go down the line of my thoughts as I dont want it appearing personal to you, but this line of thought really gets my anger levels up.

Even from an early age I would sit in school assembly (church) and refuse to sing. Why am I singing to something I dont believe in?
Thankfully I have managed to avoid any form of church since, and anyways..... This is not the forum for this talking.

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Posted 07 July 2006 - 09:46 AM

There is one theory that you’ve already said you will not listen to, that equivocating suggestion is that the universe simply did not have a beginning, that is has existed forever.  This would a simple enough explanation, although according to most scientists you’ll talk to, the theory is unsound for many reasons.
To bring up the theory of a Christian Saint, Augustine, who happened to have a very open mind about these things in the fifteenth century: He said the world was made not in time, but simultaneously with time. In other words, it did not simply appear but was in fact an eternally preexisting nothingness before time came into the equation, which was derived of a cosmic origin.  Thus, there was no before, no Creator, or process for the universe to evolve from.  Science has arrived at more or less the same conclusion as Augustine, if you can believe it, because of what we know now of the gravitation of time and the tendencies of space.  

My personal theory?  Cause and effect.  Something caused it, and it was effected.

For kicks?  I blame the aliens.


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Posted 07 July 2006 - 10:07 AM

I take it as too hard to comprhend for the normal person and have lost many hours thinking about it when I was a child.

As a kid I could not comprehend nothing, because there would be black (ok.... the word would not exist, but you know what I mean). Take that away and there would be white.... etc etc etc...

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Posted 07 July 2006 - 11:21 AM

The universe simply *is*.

If you want to delve into the "whys and wherefores" then you're probably going to need religion or philosophy...there's another forum for this type of discussion.

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Posted 09 July 2006 - 04:54 PM

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I was just thinking...

What came before the big bang?
Don't tell me it's nothing because I refuse to believe it!
How can there be nothing? And if there was, what caused the big bang?
Also, what's inside a black hole? More nothing? Even though they suck in so much.

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LAWL dont be a noob ther was nothing everything starts with nothing 0-1-2-3-4-5 and so on



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Posted 31 July 2006 - 09:39 AM

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Easily...by nature...all you need is a simple understanding of chemistry and astronomy to be exact.



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Posted 31 July 2006 - 09:45 AM

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Knowing about the natural world says nothing about a Creator. Who's to say the creator did not want the universe to work the way it does now?


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If you want to delve into the "whys and wherefores" then you're probably going to need religion or philosophy...there's another forum for this type of discussion.


I think that sums it up nicely.

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Posted 01 August 2006 - 09:24 PM

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I was just thinking...

What came before the big bang?
Don't tell me it's nothing because I refuse to believe it!
How can there be nothing? And if there was, what caused the big bang?
Also, what's inside a black hole? More nothing? Even though they suck in so much.

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What makes you think or believe there was a so called big bang?

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Posted 01 August 2006 - 10:17 PM

I have asked politely and been ignored so from now on all posts attempting to hijack this thread and turn it into a debate on religion will be deleted on sight. There are places for such discussions on this web site, this forum is not one of them.

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Posted 01 August 2006 - 10:52 PM

I myself don't beleive in the big bang. the sound waves were picked up by a very simplistic device, sure it may have been very sensitive, but you have to ask yourself this. "once the big bang happened, the sound waves would have been lost forever, due to the fact that they had nothing at all to reflect off." What I think they heard, was a "close" refracted sound wave from a supernova.

We can never understand how the universe began, because it's impossible to figure out. seeing as there was nothing around when and after it happened (I mean the first couple seconds/hours after it happened), so we can never really find out how it began or what made it happen.

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Posted 01 August 2006 - 11:00 PM

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I myself don't beleive in the big bang. the sound waves were picked up by a very simplistic device, sure it may have been very sensitive, but you have to ask yourself this. "once the big bang happened, the sound waves would have been lost forever, due to the fact that they had nothing at all to reflect off." What I think they heard, was a "close" refracted sound wave from a supernova.

We can never understand how the universe began, because it's impossible to figure out. seeing as there was nothing around when and after it happened (I mean the first couple seconds/hours after it happened), so we can never really find out how it began or what made it happen.


There are no sound waves from the big bang. Sound does not travel through a vacuum and space is about as close to a vacuum as you can get.

The big bang was postulated because it was observed that the galaxies are all rushing away fro each other. This showed that the universe had a definite start at a definite time. It was calculated that if the big bang did happen then space should not have totally cooled down leading to background radiation. After this calculation was made the background radiation was found showing that the temperature of space is 3K (3 degrees above absolute zero) exactly as calculated. What is more this background radiation can not becaused by a localised event such as a supernova as it comes, more or less, uniformly from all directions.

The big bang is so well established as a theory not because it was theory which was designed to fit the observations but because it was a theory that predicted what should be observed and was confirmed by later observations.

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Posted 01 August 2006 - 11:28 PM

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There are no sound waves from the big bang. Sound does not travel through a vacuum and space is about as close to a vacuum as you can get.

The big bang was postulated because it was observed that the galaxies are all rushing away fro each other. This showed that the universe had a definite start at a definite time. It was calculated that if the big bang did happen then space should not have totally cooled down leading to background radiation. After this calculation was made the background radiation was found showing that the temperature of space is 3K (3 degrees above absolute zero) exactly as calculated. What is more this background radiation can not becaused by a localised event such as a supernova as it comes, more or less, uniformly from all directions.

The big bang is so well established as a theory not because it was theory which was designed to fit the observations but because it was a theory that predicted what should be observed and was confirmed by later observations.


hm I 'spose, but I still don't believe in that theory, we can't ever really prove nor disprove what made the universe happen/explode into being (i'm not trying to say a 'god' made it either ¬_¬ ).Though the string theory sounds stable, that their are multi-verses that 'rub' against each other, and one bumped into another to create this universe. but it doesn't do more than calm our thirst for 'beginning of time' knowledge which doesn't really matter.

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Posted 01 August 2006 - 11:34 PM

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hm I 'spose, but I still don't believe in that theory.


That is your right. Not all cosmologist accept it either, however the vast majority do. At the moment I have seen nothing that leads me to think that the majority are wrong. However the majority have been wrong in the past.

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Posted 01 August 2006 - 11:45 PM

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That is your right. Not all cosmologist accept it either, however the vast majority do. At the moment I have seen nothing that leads me to think that the majority are wrong. However the majority have been wrong in the past.


true, but the string theory and multiverse sound reasonable. I guess we'll debunk or figure out the right theory in a few hundred years, as our technology develops.

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