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Posted 10 July 2006 - 11:05 PM
Lucifer is a mis-translation in the bible that was passed down for many generations. It was believed he was a real being, but instead the line in which he is brought about in the bible is describing a babylonian King.
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Posted 10 July 2006 - 11:07 PM
Azalin one question, where does Satan fit in?
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Posted 10 July 2006 - 11:14 PM
I'm also curious, the description of the Babyolian king also refers to a description of an angelic being, I'd just like to get assured on the topic. 
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Posted 10 July 2006 - 11:18 PM
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Azalin one question, where does Satan fit in?
In the Old Testament, he rarely makes an appearance besides in the book of Job. He more or less becomes a figure head in the New Testament when he tempts Jesus directly. Through the years your advised to trust that Satan was actually the Snake in the Adam and Eve story, but there is no supporting evidence besides the fact that in Gensis, it refers to the offspring of Adam and Eve defeating satan, and crushing him. Later in Romans 16:20 it goes on to say "And the God of peace will crush Satan under your feet ". Put those two together, and its evidence they are talking about the same being, hypothetically speaking. From there you have more books such as Paradise Lost and Dantes Inferno that give Satan much more credit.
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Posted 10 July 2006 - 11:21 PM
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In the Old Testament, he rarely makes an appearance besides in the book of Job. He more or less becomes a figure head in the New Testament when he tempts Jesus directly. Through the years your advised to trust that Satan was actually the Snake in the Adam and Eve story, but there is no supporting evidence besides the fact that in Gensis, it refers to the offspring of Adam and Eve defeating satan, and crushing him. Later in Romans 16:20 it goes on to say "And the God of peace will crush Satan under your feet ". Put those two together, and its evidence they are talking about the same being, hypothetically speaking. From there you have more books such as Paradise Lost and Dantes Inferno that give Satan much more credit.
Hmmm, I have never noticed that, thanks for clarifying.
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Posted 10 July 2006 - 11:23 PM
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exactly.
where doest the fallen angel come in?
The fallen angel comes into play if you look into the book of Enoch, in which Satan is known as Azazel. From there, the book Paradise Lost goes into much more detail into the fall of Satan from heaven.
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Posted 10 July 2006 - 11:29 PM
I have not yet read the book of Enoch, sounds very interesting.
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Posted 10 July 2006 - 11:30 PM
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I see.
could it be possible that the feathered serpent of the Book of Enoch is satan?
Pretty much, you mean Quetzacoatl, of Aztec legends as well. Serpent is another word for Angel. Seraphim in hebrew actually means fiery serpent, and since Seraphim are a type of higher order of angel, it would only seem right.
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Posted 10 July 2006 - 11:31 PM
Hmmm, this is all making sense now, thanks Azalin. 
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Posted 10 July 2006 - 11:39 PM
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Hmmm, this is all making sense now, thanks Azalin.
No problem Boltwave. It's an old theory. Many ancient religions describe dragons, and draw them similiar. Therefore it almost makes sense that Judaism describes there angels also as fiery serpents. Even the chariot of God is said to be pulled by two Seraphim. Makes sense, fantasy wise that it would be pulled by dragons instead of feathered humans.
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Posted 10 July 2006 - 11:51 PM
I've been wondering if Satan is the evil brother of Osiris known as Set who kills Osiris inorder to usurp the throne who Horus then ends up killing. And since Horus is also Jesus, this would make alot of sense with the whole connection between Satan and Jesus and his ability to undo the work of the devil. What do you guys think? Perhaps you can see more connections then I.
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