[BigDaddy_GFS]

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There is substantial evidence of superbeings treading on Earth as rulers and sharing knowledge passed down in ancient texts Gods and Goddesses

Information about Sumerian Gods and Goddesses is found on the Sumerian King List as well as Sumerian clay tablets and cylinder seals. The Sumerian King List records all the rulers of Earth back over 400,000 years. This huge stretch of time coupled with reigns into the thousands of years has caused most historians to reject its accuracy. However all the early rulers were allegedly gods - demi-gods or immortals.

These Gods were called the Nephilim - Nefilim - Elohim - Annunaki meaning "Those who from Heaven to Earth came." In Sumerian Mythology they were a pantheon of good and evil gods and goddesses who came to Earth to create the human race. According to the some resources, these gods came from Nibiru - 'Planet of the Crossing.' The Assyrians and Babylonians called it 'Marduk', after their chief god. Sumerians said one year on planet Nibiru, a sar, was equivalent in time to 3600 Earth years. Annunaki lifespans were 120 sars which is 120 x 3600 or 432,000 years. According to the King List - 120 sars had passed from the time the Annunaki arrived on Earth to the time of the Flood.


link sumerien gods

Aw.an...thanks for that link. I needed that.

My reasearch indicates startling parallels between the legends of the Nephilim and the Annunaki.

Did the early Judeo-Chrsitians learn of this Sumreian myth, and use it in forming their Biblical teachings? Or did something miraculous occur in our pre-history, that involved higher biengs from the sky?

I'm not sure. But it is fascinating.

[powermike92]

1 simple answer to who created humans and the world: God. For who ever doesnt beleive this will be sorry for denying the truth or being so ignorant whenever jesus comes back or we get some sign.

[frogfish]

Evolution is overpowering...It is more proved and more supported than any other theory out there....it IS how we were made...From apes, who evolved from mammals, from synapsids, sdiapsids, thecodonts, etc.

[grendals_bane]

Humans were not created by aliens, we evolved. All because we haven't discovered the missing link proves nothing, after all we thought T-Rex was the largest carinivous Dinosaur, which we now know it wasn't.

I've read a fair bit of these "aliens created man" theories and most of them are filled with distortions of history, lies and plain fantasy. You see these people are just out to make money, and for the satisfaction of having a large following who believe their every word.

[BigDaddy_GFS]

OK. Now think about this.

If God created the universe, and all life, then why did it take billions of years of trial and error to get things to this point?

Wouldn't a simple wave of the almighty hand do the trick?

Why go through plodding evolution, and ultimate extinction of countless species, if a simple snap of omnipotent fingers could render a fully-formed creature in his image?

I'm not saying that the universe couldn't have been created by God. But doesn't the universe seem awfuly chaotic and haphazard for something formed by divine design?

[Cadetak]

The only way for the that the "aliens created humans" idea would be plausible
is if the aliens helped jump start the human evolution...using their "Human Evolutionator 3000"

Overall i agree with the starter of this thread and to all those who say that he is "blined to the truth" by "the man" need to realize that it is you who are being blinded.

There is more evidence to support the original poster's claims then any of the "aliens created man" theories.

Secrets can't be kept forever, if there was enough evidence to support the "aliens created man" idea we would all know more about it...there would be a book and a movie followed by a History Channel special and a comedy bit on The Daily Show.

[Essan]

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wow this thread is like a cheap sci-fi flick

That's because the basis behind it is Sitchin's cheap sci-fi novels

[Tommy K]

Whilst I believe that the evolution theory is more likely than that of alien influence, I do not rule out either. I think that it is entirely possible that evolution was going along the right lines and that a species similar to humans would eventually have happened, but that aliens gave us a helping hand. That said, I still aren't sure if I actually believe in aliens. I just like to keep an open mind.

However, I would say that as far as I am concerned there is more evidence to support the existence of aliens than there is to support for example the Christian God. Im not saying that Jesus did not live; I am sure he was a historical character and that he was in all likelihood a bloody nice chap. However, the son of God? I doubt it. From my understanding the Christian religion seems to be a mishmash of pre existing religions. For example the religion of Mithraism:

Mithras' birthday was celebrated on 25th December
Mithraism uses the rite of baptism
Bread and win used in sacrament
Mithras was visited by shepherds
Title of Pope is mentioned in Mithraism
Mithraism considered celibacy and self control to be a high virtue

Believe me I could go on and on regarding the similarities between the two religions - the two are so similar in belief that I was actually shocked by it whilst doing some research into it for my dissertation . It seems obvious to me that, although it may be made up from good morals, Christianity is just a mishmash of bits of other religions that have been adopted at different points in history to allow it to be more familiar and thus acceptable to converted. I don't mean to have a go at Christianity here - I am just using it as an example and saying that although there is no evidence of God, and much evidence to bring into question the validity of the Christian religion as a whole, there are still millions of Christians. My point being that there is much more evidence to suggest the existence of UFOs and aliens, and yet people would prefer to believe in Christianity (or any other religion) than UFOs/aliens. I just don't get it.

[ChupaCabra_researcher]

The Human is a missing link. we where not evolved. we have always been what we where millions of years ago.
They have found tools that are older than 500millions years old and that not even a single primate like where living, explain that then.
In uzbekistan they found a rock painting of an human wearing a spacesuit like and little far away, you see an alien and a spaceship flying. i think we where created from the alien.
IMO, i think we are a 1 single species and that we are the first primate like people to walk on earth. From there, the apes were evolved somehow.
that is what i believe..

[ChupaCabra_researcher]

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Secrets can't be kept forever, if there was enough evidence to support the "aliens created man" idea we would all know more about it...there would be a book and a movie followed by a History Channel special and a comedy bit on The Daily Show.

Would you think the government would allow it?
No, because they are afraid that this can lead to a 3rd world war.

[Hotoke]

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Aw.an...thanks for that link. I needed that.

My reasearch indicates startling parallels between the legends of the Nephilim and the Annunaki.

Did the early Judeo-Chrsitians learn of this Sumreian myth, and use it in forming their Biblical teachings? Or did something miraculous occur in our pre-history, that involved higher biengs from the sky?

I'm not sure. But it is fascinating.

THANK YOU FOR NOT READING THE TOPIC

annunaki is fiction. Take it somewhere else

The burden of evidence lies with the believers, show me some that does not conflict with history and is not based on mistakes

the whole alien thing is still disproved by:

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if alien visitors to Earth created humans, then evidence for this would have been found by now within our DNA. Since DNA sequencing is now cheap and easy, the conspiracy theory idea that our true DNA sequences have been suppressed would seem to be discounted, the idea being that since almost anyone can sequence our genes, if there was any extraterrestrial DNA to be found it would have been by now.

Additionally, humans and chimpanzees share up to 99% of their DNA and the remaining 1% is posited by to some to be of bacterial origin. Thus, present-day genetics fails to produce evidence that supports these theories and more readily supports the idea that humans evolved through a series of DNA mutations from a precursor ape-like species.

and the fact that all the alien theories are based on mistranslations and people who are out to make money and do so by exploiting those who do not know much

And if you believe in God, It is the one who created humans as told in all religions. there has not been any DIRECT proof to claim that god is a alien or anything in that direction

This post has been edited by Hotoke: 12 July 2006 - 12:18 PM

[frogfish]

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The Human is a missing link. we where not evolved. we have always been what we where millions of years ago.
They have found tools that are older than 500millions years old and that not even a single primate like where living, explain that then.
In uzbekistan they found a rock painting of an human wearing a spacesuit like and little far away, you see an alien and a spaceship flying. i think we where created from the alien.
IMO, i think we are a 1 single species and that we are the first primate like people to walk on earth. From there, the apes were evolved somehow.
that is what i believe..

I would love to see proof from you CupaCabra because frankly you are wrong on every single note. Humans evolved 200,000 years ago...The earliest Australopithices evolved around 1.5 MYA.

It is proven humans evolved from apes...not the reverse. Look at our skulls. We weren't created by aliens..aliens never visited. We were a product of marvelous mother nature...Evolution...not alien.

[ChupaCabra_researcher]

Frogfish, they have been proofs of tools they've found and turned out to be more than 50million years old. (i meant 50million not 500million sorry)


check the site
http://www.forbidden...m/anomalous.htm
http://www.forbidden...com/skbones.htm

[counterveil]

ChupaCabra, don't get me wrong (I can't speak for FrogFish) but I am not arguing against the theory that humans may be older than we think. Surely there are anomalous discoveries that, in time, will likely be explained. I find that the most interesting anomaly is the possibility that portions of the sphinx were around during a time when there was enough water in North Africa to cause water-erosion. But that's a different topic.

What I *am* arguing against is simply taking one (or a few) unreliable sources and taking those as chip-truth. I think a lot of people have pre-defined beliefs and only look for sources that corroborate those beliefs. This flies in the face of logic and the scientific method, which seeks to:

1) Find anomalies
2) Test, test, and test again under the assumption that it is an *anomaly*

Look at the geological testing being done on the sphinx. They didn't go in saying "ah, looks like water erosion - clearly the sphinx must be 2,000,000 years old!"

The approach, as it should be, was:

1) Hey, this looks like water erosion
2) Hm...can't be there was not the ability for water erosion at the time of sphinx construction. You sure that's water erosion?
3) Test
4) Yeah, looks like water erosion
5) You sure?
6) Test
7) Yeah, looks like water erosion
8) You sure? Test other parts of the sphinx
9) ...and so on

The problem with a lot of these "radicals" is that they start with THEORY first and then gather facts which prove that "theory". A true theory should be derivative of an existing body of knowledge, not the other way around.

Basically, go in with a clean slate and build your beliefs from that with proven, and many-times-tested *facts*.

With that said, I'm really dubious on the whole aliens thing. But there is enough *anomalous* evidence (not proof) out there that I'm not totally ruling out an antediluvian, advanced human society that is to date unknown.

[wakopanda]

Allow me to enter the arguement in a different way. im not a qualfied scientist, im not in the governement, nor do i work inside area 51 or anything like that. i dont have time to read these long scientific papers, nor would i understand large sections of them. everything i know, ive learnt myself or been taught. and the stuff ive been taught, i check against my own knowledge.

so. when i go in saying that i dont belive there is a conspiricy theory where all of the powers that be are constantly feeding us propaganda and lies, and that my life is a simple tool in the workings of twisted greater powers. i go in saying that based entirely of what i think, not what ive been told.

now im gonna use two words a lot while im around here. ill show you them now:

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The Human is a missing link. we where not evolved. we have always been what we where millions of years ago.

prove it

now im goin it with normal scientifc standards here. its much easier to disprove a theory than it is to prove it. for example, its much easier to say: "the shops will have all the stuff i need" and disprove it, than to say: "the shops will have items X, Y and Z but not A or B."

but as it is, theres two major theories being thrown around here. and neither is completely proven or disproven. so, why do people go around saying that they are definetely, 100% correct. in particular, those on the: aliens made us side of the arguement often seem to say that they are right because they have the single peice of overwhelming evidence that everyone else missed. that doesnt prove that we were created 400,000,000 years ago by mysterious demi-gods who came from another world. it also doesnt completely disprove evolution in any way.

oh, and one last thing. keep god out of this arguement. religous belifes have no place in a scientific debate. i am sick of people whos last resort in an arguement is to throw the religous trump card and say: stick that in yer pipe and smoke it! god does not prove anything, as he is not proven himself.

any responses?