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Posted 19 August 2006 - 05:08 PM

[attachmentid=27724]I moved safes for ten years. I've applied that knowledge to the pyramids. I'm looking for folks to double check me. Just joined, not sure of the rules. I'll come back to check this thread and converse.

The first link is to the home page, second the forum, third the start of the simplest description. This is a political web site that this has been posted for sometime.

My name there is teacher. Don't mind the attitude, think Don Rickles or Dennis Leary.

This thing is solved folks. Sorry.

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Posted 19 August 2006 - 05:35 PM

Impressive. That looks like not only a plausible explanation, but a likely one as well. The only possible issue I see is that the Egyptians didn't have a lot of wood around, which is why most roller theories are looked at in some degree of suspicion. On the other hand, Egypt was also an economic power so I don't see why they couldn't import wood from Lebanon or Cyprus.
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Posted 19 August 2006 - 05:53 PM

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Impressive. That looks like not only a plausible explanation, but a likely one as well.


Thank you. You're the first to say "likely".

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The only possible issue I see is that the Egyptians didn't have a lot of wood around, which is why most roller theories are looked at in some degree of suspicion. On the other hand, Egypt was also an economic power so I don't see why they couldn't import wood from Lebanon or Cyprus.


I get the wood thing now and again. I have the where and what thing covered. Not as fun as my standard reply, "If there were no trees in Africa then, then explain all the monkeys."

I'm getting a lot of resistance to folks even reading this theory. And when some do I get the most idiotic replies. How a simple workable idea can so often be summarily dissmissed is beyond me. And the idiotic reasons some give for rebuke are unreal.

I'm having trouble getting this read, and ideas anyone?

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Posted 19 August 2006 - 08:45 PM

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I'm getting a lot of resistance to folks even reading this theory. And when some do I get the most idiotic replies. How a simple workable idea can so often be summarily dissmissed is beyond me. And the idiotic reasons some give for rebuke are unreal.

I'm having trouble getting this read, and ideas anyone?

Marc,
I have a suggestion.

When you posted this theory of yours at Edit I tried to agree with most of what you were saying. As I recall, there were only a few points of difference, and those were fairly minor, between your theory and the theories of several Egyptologists.

As I said at the time, I welcome any poster that theorizes that the Egyptians built the Egyptian monuments in Egypt themselves, as this is what I too believe.

Yet, your responses to me, and to many others whose ideas differ from yours only in some small degrees, were at best egotistical broadsides, which included copious amounts of whining at not being instantly recognized as genius.

So, my suggestion would be - get over youself. Don't be so over the top. Part of convincing people is to achieve some sort of respect from the people that you wish to persuade. Don't go so over-the-top and you'll probably have better luck.

Anyway, you asked for ideas.

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Posted 19 August 2006 - 10:58 PM

[attachmentid=27735][attachmentid=27731]Hi Harte, did you like my method of finding directions, plumb, level, square and disance I played off of your strings and sticks post?


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Marc,
I have a suggestion.


Which I shall summarily dismiss.

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When you posted this theory of yours at ATS I tried to agree with most of what you were saying. As I recall, there were only a few points of difference, and those were fairly minor, between your theory and the theories of several Egyptologists.


Yes.

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As I said at the time, I welcome any poster that theorizes that the Egyptians built the Egyptian monuments in Egypt themselves, as this is what I too believe.


Those people need abuse.

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Yet, your responses to me, and to many others whose ideas differ from yours only in some small degrees,


tHE STEPS ARE MY BASE, THA'S NOT NEW? rOAD BUILTT FROM PYRAMID BLOCKS, THAT'S NOT NEW? i DON'T THINK ORIGINAL IDEAS ARE SMALL.

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were at best egotistical broadsides, which included copious amounts of whining at not being instantly recognized as genius.


That's annoying ain't it?


But you see I started different here. Been doing all different styles, seeing how people respond to this differently with different attitudes but the same theory. Been inteesting.

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So, my suggestion would be - get over youself. Don't be so over the top.



I get many text's that people love that, that it's funny and adds interest. Different strokes Harte.
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Part of convincing people is to achieve some sort of respect from the people that you wish to persuade.



I could care less if they respect or like me. I only want a solid rebuke or not.

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Don't go so over-the-top and you'll probably have better luck.


I choose to do his the hard way. It ammuses me. How often does one get to play with something like this? who even considers this? This is new.

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Anyway, you asked for ideas.


Yea. If I want life advise I'll show up drunk at my Mom's place.


My first few poss there where delelted. Have you read where I say you are the guy I need to talk o? And don't mind me I hit my head? If not then that was one deleted. I was trying to tell you from what I saw you were sensible and solid. What does attitude matter in a topic like this? And look at all the liars I know not to worry about except for abuse? And what is byrd's deal? I had some PM's with mods and it was sad. How do people lie when there's only two people and you both know the deal? And look how much attention that thread got. &000 views in 24 hours and on top of both home page lists. And people are gonna tell me how to do things? I've new drawings at

http://www.debatepol...html#post370968

start at post #228.

And because I like you if you join there I''l tell YOU FIRST how the big blocks were done.

Building pyramids is about moving blocks quickly, safely, and as cheaply as possible. 2.3 million blocks. You have to be good at moving blocks. If no one can answer the question in the attachment, and that's 101 stuff, if they can't accept how easy it is, what can I do? How can they question me if they can't do the most important task? Step one. All these canes, machines, dragging, sleds, are junk. But they will never UNDERSTAND that, they've never pushed hat weight, scooted a ton with a 3' crowbar.

Abuse.

It's me bro, and it's gonna be his way.


What if I got a member at that place to post my drawings with permission. Cause I can.

Bro, not one real rebuke and I cast considerable doubt on ALL the other theories. Mostly stuff from moving safes. I'm making people act like children.

I'm having and will have even more fun with this. If some don't find me funny they can ignore me. Many others do. One guy PM'ed me saying his bud told him to check me out for the humor. A reader of my theory that wouldn't be if I were all Nancy boy. The views at my place keep growing, from guests. Dropped this on a few other places today. Gonna have another spurt. And angry shellfish is the first "likely" poster. Another forum owner I started out harrd on came back with wrath at first, telling me I was wrong, he took it back and said I had a theory that works. That's all I want. And gum.


Join, I'll give away to you what everyone else gets last.

Just because I'm so nice.

In my world, if some chatter makes people lie and weasle, I've won. You should hear me if they say it to my face.

Join, find The Basement, I'll give you a big welcome and abuse you thoruoghy.

If you want to see the rest of this, you have to go there for a while.

If someone could show me how to burn water, I'd put up wih some disrespect to learn it. but then I'm no Nancy boy...

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Posted 20 August 2006 - 08:17 PM

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Hi Harte, did you like my method of finding directions, plumb, level, square and disance I played off of your strings and sticks post?

Yeah Marc, we both know that it don't take Aliens to find true North. I appreciate the fact that you are putting the idea out there that the Egyptians built the pyramids. It seems ridiculous that anyone would have to continually espouse such an obvious idea, but the fact is there are just so many people that believe otherwise, that have been lied to, or whatever, that it continues to be necessary, and probably always will be.

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tHE STEPS ARE MY BASE, THA'S NOT NEW? rOAD BUILTT FROM PYRAMID BLOCKS, THAT'S NOT NEW? i DON'T THINK ORIGINAL IDEAS ARE SMALL....

Your idea of using wood rollers is probably older than you are. I have to add that investigations into this have shown that there's just no wood that could stand up to this for more than a few feet without splitting down the middle. This part of your theory is just an extremely inefficient method for splitting rails, in other words.

Of course, that doesn't apply to the smaller stones that makeup the Great Pyramid. I myself am satisfied with sliding the larger stones on some surface, be that wooden tracks set into the sand, or a road made of pyramid blocks. And I'm not talking about any sled, I'm talking about the bare blocks.

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...I get many text's that people love that, that it's funny and adds interest. Different strokes Harte.
I could care less if they respect or like me. I only want a solid rebuke or not.

Well, the way I see it, your theory is as good as any other, pretty much anyway. So you won't get any rebuke from me (did you mean "refute"?) I won't refute it either. See, I wasn't there so I have to say I just don't know how they did it. I think there are several possible ways that it could have been done.

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... Have you read where I say you are the guy I need to talk o? And don't mind me I hit my head? If not then that was one deleted. I was trying to tell you from what I saw you were sensible and solid. What does attitude matter in a topic like this?

Attitude doesn't matter to me since, like you pointed out, we are somewhat in agreement. This means that I can assume that your "attitude" is not directed at me personally! grin2.gif The attitude problem comes in when you have to convince someone, especially these people that are ready to swear up and down that "the Atlanteans did it!" Hard enough to turn them around, it only makes it harder if you are making fun of them at the same time.

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And what is byrd's deal? I had some PM's with mods and it was sad. How do people lie when there's only two people and you both know the deal? And look how much attention that thread got. &000 views in 24 hours and on top of both home page lists. And people are gonna tell me how to do things?

I'm not in any way involved with the administration or moderation of any board on the internet. I'm really not interested in any conflicts you may or may not be having with this or that moderator or administrator. Nor do I care how many "views" this or that thread has gotten, though I guess it's possible that website administrators might be. But I will say that Byrd is a gifted Anthropologist. Not an "armchair" Anthropologist, a real one. She is aware of most of the archaeological findings having to do with Giza, and their implications. An example of how this applies to your theory is the fairly recent finds of the remains of ramps built next to the Great Pyramid, ramps which do not appear in your theory (unless I missed it.) Additionally, the remains of artificial canals (or moats) have been found leading from the Nile to the pyramid complex, another aspect of the methodology of transporting stone that I do not recall from your theory (again, maybe I'm wrong.)

For my part, I lend a lot of credence to the archaeologists that surmise the methodology of pyramid construction based on their own (or other's) archaeological findings. But I'm the first to say that nobody has nailed the method down yet, and that's the only thing anyone can say for certain, until (possibly) the tomb of Imhotep is found, anyway.

What that means, in short, is that I consider your guess to be as good as anybody elses, almost. When they find relics similar to the rockers you postulate were used to lift the stones, then your theory will rise to the uppermost consideration.

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And because I like you if you join there I''l tell YOU FIRST how the big blocks were done.

Building pyramids is about moving blocks quickly, safely, and as cheaply as possible. 2.3 million blocks. You have to be good at moving blocks. If no one can answer the question in the attachment, and that's 101 stuff, if they can't accept how easy it is, what can I do? How can they question me if they can't do the most important task? Step one. All these canes, machines, dragging, sleds, are junk. But they will never UNDERSTAND that, they've never pushed hat weight, scooted a ton with a 3' crowbar.


Marc, I'm already a member of too many boards, I'm not going to join another one right now. But I will stipulate that, if you have been moving large, bulky and extremely heavy objects for years, as you say you have been, then you are certainly in a better position than me to theorize on how large, bulky and extremely heavy objects are moved. The only such object I have moved recently resides within the rear section of my blue jeans. And I must say that I move that object as seldom as is possible! w00t.gif

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Posted 21 August 2006 - 07:26 AM

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[attachmentid=27724]I moved safes for ten years. I've applied that knowledge to the pyramids. I'm looking for folks to double check me. Just joined, not sure of the rules. I'll come back to check this thread and converse.

The first link is to the home page, second the forum, third the start of the simplest description. This is a political web site that this has been posted for sometime.

My name there is teacher. Don't mind the attitude, think Don Rickles or Dennis Leary.

This thing is solved folks. Sorry.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/

http://www.debatepol...ld-pyramid.html

http://www.debatepol...97-post228.html


we know how the ancient egyptians cut moved and placed the smaller blocks what we dont know is how they shifted the larger blocks. For blocks weighing in excess of 15 tons you cannot use wooden rollers and that is a proven fact and the egyptians didnt appear to have any problem cutting and shifting blocks weighing in excess of 30 tons. Tell me how the builders of Baalbek in lebanon cut shifted and placed blocks of stone weighing 1,000 tons plus and I will sit up and pay attention to what you say.

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Posted 21 August 2006 - 07:52 AM

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we know how the ancient egyptians cut moved and placed the smaller blocks what we dont know is how they shifted the larger blocks. For blocks weighing in excess of 15 tons you cannot use wooden rollers and that is a proven fact and the egyptians didnt appear to have any problem cutting and shifting blocks weighing in excess of 30 tons. Tell me how the builders of Baalbek in lebanon cut shifted and placed blocks of stone weighing 1,000 tons plus and I will sit up and pay attention to what you say.


depends on how many rollers you have....duhhhh, and how large the diameter is. baalbek lebanon is not far from where the cedars grew. all they would have had to do is dig out the bottom of the stone from one end and then insert a roller. then keep digging front to back and inserting rollers underneith as they went until the whole bottom is dug and rollers now support the whole thing. then off you go. then build a road with a slight grade if you want to make it easier.going up hill would require balancing it on a central pivot and rolling the stone http://www.theforgot...rentProject.htm
they had lots of sand and sand is easy to excavate.

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Posted 21 August 2006 - 11:57 AM

the stoned to be look shorter and more stubby, and a 30 ton stone would beeee hmmm, difficult to pull up hill.
I know they had knowledge of the serpent energy, "kundalini" when done correctly, your body turns red, and its literally possibly to physically absorbe more energy into the body. "physically" and permanetly, as part of the bodys energy capacity. kundalini is represented by snakes and dragons. i have seen pictures of egyptions with snakes on their heads, etc etc, i have even seen pictures of hyrogliphs, with egyptions holding little devic looking things, with serpents in them. So, i know this is a very strong energy, and wouldnt doubt it none. you roll ah 30 ton stubby block up hill on some wood. OH and just so you know, those peices of wood your rollin on, havta be perfectly f***** straight, theve gatta be prime, cause if one dosnt roll, they all dont roll. but, its all just ah perspective.

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Posted 22 August 2006 - 05:58 AM

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the stoned to be look shorter and more stubby, and a 30 ton stone would beeee hmmm, difficult to pull up hill.
I know they had knowledge of the serpent energy, "kundalini" when done correctly, your body turns red, and its literally possibly to physically absorbe more energy into the body. "physically" and permanetly, as part of the bodys energy capacity. kundalini is represented by snakes and dragons. i have seen pictures of egyptions with snakes on their heads, etc etc, i have even seen pictures of hyrogliphs, with egyptions holding little devic looking things, with serpents in them. So, i know this is a very strong energy, and wouldnt doubt it none. you roll ah 30 ton stubby block up hill on some wood. OH and just so you know, those peices of wood your rollin on, havta be perfectly f***** straight, theve gatta be prime, cause if one dosnt roll, they all dont roll. but, its all just ah perspective.


So it's crazy to think they physically moved the blocks, but it's perfectly sane to think that they used a mystical snakepower to do it?

Can you say "Snake oil"?

Where, may I ask, did kundalini acquire the symbolism of snakes and dragons? Your reasoning is beyond faulty. Because kundalini is now represented by snakes and dragons, you say that since the Egyptians used images of snakes, that indicated knowledge of kundalini? blink.gif

The Egyptians, if they knew kundalini at all, could have chosen any symbol to represent kundalini. Maybe, every time they made a carvng of a human figure, it represented kundalini! Wow! That must be proof it existed and was used by them!

Snakes are snakes, and nothing more than snakes. There are snakes in Egypt. They were a daily factor in the lives of Egyptians, so they were assimilated into Egyptian recorded culture, much as our current style of fashion are assimilated into our recorded culture.
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Posted 22 August 2006 - 10:23 AM

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we know how the ancient egyptians cut moved and placed the smaller blocks what we dont know is how they shifted the larger blocks. For blocks weighing in excess of 15 tons you cannot use wooden rollers and that is a proven fact and the egyptians didnt appear to have any problem cutting and shifting blocks weighing in excess of 30 tons. Tell me how the builders of Baalbek in lebanon cut shifted and placed blocks of stone weighing 1,000 tons plus and I will sit up and pay attention to what you say.

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Posted 22 August 2006 - 11:59 AM

Marc. Your theory is well thought out but based on the old theories, simply expanded. This is indeed what researchers do.

However, I agree with Harte when he says that your egotistical approach to telling people your theories are putting people off reading.

I had a hard time taking you seriously when you responded to Hartes posts.

I realise you said you didn't care about getting respect from this escapade but I can't help feeling like you need to lose the attitude all the same.

The works good. The attitude is offensive.


And to be frank with you, some of your replies to Harte were very immature. Not at all what I would expect from a man who deems himself worthy of the title of 'The Genius of Egyptian Architecture'. rolleyes.gif

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Posted 22 August 2006 - 03:41 PM

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the stoned to be look shorter and more stubby, and a 30 ton stone would beeee hmmm, difficult to pull up hill.
I know they had knowledge of the serpent energy, "kundalini" when done correctly, your body turns red, and its literally possibly to physically absorbe more energy into the body. "physically" and permanetly, as part of the bodys energy capacity. kundalini is represented by snakes and dragons. i have seen pictures of egyptions with snakes on their heads, etc etc, i have even seen pictures of hyrogliphs, with egyptions holding little devic looking things, with serpents in them. So, i know this is a very strong energy, and wouldnt doubt it none. you roll ah 30 ton stubby block up hill on some wood. OH and just so you know, those peices of wood your rollin on, havta be perfectly f***** straight, theve gatta be prime, cause if one dosnt roll, they all dont roll. but, its all just ah perspective.


that doesnt sound too hard to do, especially for human beings. the great apes might have hada hard time making rollers straight.

did you even see the sight i provided? the guy just rolls 2000 pound block with his own two hands. those wooden "rockers" effectively make the square block round, so all they would have needed to do is wind ropes around the block and then pull the ropes like unwinding a spool of thread, even have some guys push from the back if needed. or they could have used counterweights to pull the blocks up. counterweights filled with sand.
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Posted 23 August 2006 - 04:07 PM

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depends on how many rollers you have....duhhhh, and how large the diameter is. baalbek lebanon is not far from where the cedars grew. all they would have had to do is dig out the bottom of the stone from one end and then insert a roller. then keep digging front to back and inserting rollers underneith as they went until the whole bottom is dug and rollers now support the whole thing. then off you go. then build a road with a slight grade if you want to make it easier.going up hill would require balancing it on a central pivot and rolling the stone http://www.theforgot...rentProject.htm
they had lots of sand and sand is easy to excavate.



Have you actually bothered to do ANY research? wooden rollers cannot roll beneath weights beyond a particular limit usually 15 tons. They cease to roll and are crushed.
Do some reading before you come in here.

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Have you actually bothered to do ANY research? wooden rollers cannot roll beneath weights beyond a particular limit usually 15 tons. They cease to roll and are crushed.
Do some reading before you come in here.


Perhaps you could try being a little more constructive and a little less aggressive!! mad.gif

He did not deserve that at all. Why don't you consider the feelings of others before you come in here.

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