[Wookie McFly]

This is an old theory, one which I was taught in 3rd grade. Unimpressive and mildly plaugeristic.

Speaking from the world of academia, presenting this theory as your own (even with the very very mild variations) would either get you laughed out of the room or brought before the academic review board.

So, no, I'm not impressed. Nor have you said anything thus far on this board which is worthy of anything but scorn. Good Job!

--Marty

This post has been edited by Marty Floyd: 23 August 2006 - 11:33 PM

[Lottie]

Marchimedes and Harte.

This is an interesting thread...however.

Please keep your problems, issues and arguments from another forum away from this board.

If you have something constuctive to say on the topic in question fine. If not better to say nothing at all.

No insults, flaming or any other type of abuse are tolerated on UM. The rules of this forum are here: http://www.unexplain...s.com/rules.php

Thanks.

This post has been edited by Lottie: 23 August 2006 - 11:39 PM

[ivytheplant]

Quote

Have you actually bothered to do ANY research? wooden rollers cannot roll beneath weights beyond a particular limit usually 15 tons. They cease to roll and are crushed.
Do some reading before you come in here.

Not to mention the ground underneath the rollers. Unless they laid down some hard asphalt or concrete between the quarry and building site, I doubt even hard-packed mud could have stood up to the large amount of pressure that was exerted on a small area (the rollers themselves). A radio controlled car will not flounder in thick mud, but a human-sized car will flounder in the mud. That's just basics, because I'm sure someone will point out powerful trucks and tanks can go through the mud with no problem and they're much heavier. However, they both have something a sedan doesn't: more powerful engine and tires/tracks built specifically for getting through mud.

Before I even think this scenario is likely (I also learned about it in grade school), I would want to see evidence of what the ground was like that these rollers were going over and whether or not the rollers would be able to roll on the ground. And if they had a bigger engine to push it all through

Provided the rollers could stand up to the weight of the blocks anyway. I say someone needs to test this. I volunteer the OP.

[Marchimedes]

Quote

The only such object I have moved recently resides within the rear section of my blue jeans. And I must say that I move that object as seldom as is possible!

Harte

Sweet.

Banned for being funny.

I have covered or will be covering all that in the place I link to in the first post.

Much to come, you're with me so far, you'll enjoy this, I'll just keep building and clairfiing this.

[Marchimedes]

Quote

we know how the ancient egyptians cut moved and placed the smaller blocks what we dont know is how they shifted the larger blocks. For blocks weighing in excess of 15 tons you cannot use wooden rollers and that is a proven fact and the egyptians didnt appear to have any problem cutting and shifting blocks weighing in excess of 30 tons. Tell me how the builders of Baalbek in lebanon cut shifted and placed blocks of stone weighing 1,000 tons plus and I will sit up and pay attention to what you say.

That the Jupiter stones? No problem, later. Gotta pyramid to build first.

[Marchimedes]

Quote

depends on how many rollers you have....duhhhh, and how large the diameter is. baalbek lebanon is not far from where the cedars grew. all they would have had to do is dig out the bottom of the stone from one end and then insert a roller. then keep digging front to back and inserting rollers underneith as they went until the whole bottom is dug and rollers now support the whole thing. then off you go. then build a road with a slight grade if you want to make it easier.going up hill would require balancing it on a central pivot and rolling the stone http://www.theforgot...rentProject.htm
they had lots of sand and sand is easy to excavate.

Yea Wally, I've been talking to him. Might use some of his ideas.

Quote

I know they had knowledge of the serpent energy,


. OH and just so you know, those peices of wood your rollin on, havta be perfectly f***** straight, theve gatta be prime, cause if one dosnt roll, they all dont roll. but, its all just ah perspective.

I could have, and done so large, but I didn't. Proud of me?

[Marchimedes]

Quote

If you have something constuctive to say on the topic in question fine. If not better to say nothing at all.

Thanks.[/i]

Very well, since I started this train wreck...

[attachmentid=27823]

[attachmentid=27824]

[attachmentid=27825]

[attachmentid=27826]

Attached File(s)

•  Crash_test_1._001.jpg (68.43K)
  Number of downloads: 29
•  Crash_test_1._002.jpg (45.83K)
  Number of downloads: 24
•  Crash_test_1._003.jpg (68.71K)
  Number of downloads: 24
•  Crash_test_1._004.jpg (44.57K)
  Number of downloads: 24

[Marchimedes]

[attachmentid=27831]

[attachmentid=27832]

[attachmentid=27833]

Attached File(s)

•  Crash_test_1._015.jpg (69.4K)
  Number of downloads: 23
•  Crash_test_1._022.jpg (65.59K)
  Number of downloads: 22
•  Crash_test_1._010.jpg (64.03K)
  Number of downloads: 21

[Marchimedes]

[attachmentid=27834]

[attachmentid=27835]

[attachmentid=27836]

[attachmentid=27837]

[attachmentid=27839]

[attachmentid=27838]

Attached File(s)

•  Crash_test_1._021.jpg (46.43K)
  Number of downloads: 21
•  Crash_test_1._014.jpg (78.47K)
  Number of downloads: 24
•  Crash_test_1._009.jpg (53.66K)
  Number of downloads: 18
•  untitled5.5.JPG (10.76K)
  Number of downloads: 20
•  untitled5.6.JPG (12.51K)
  Number of downloads: 20
•  untitled3.JPG (13.21K)
  Number of downloads: 19

[Saru]

Could you provide us with an explanation to go along with these diagrams ?

[louie]

What about the guy who recently claimed that the blocks were poured like concrete, he said he found fibres and human hair in samples of the pyramid blocks ???

[Twitch98]

The raising by leverage does work quite fine. It has been demonstrated in modern day. One problem- it took experimenters about an hour to raise a meter square block a meter high. The problem that all the folks with seemingly logical answers have is the fact that the prescribed time of 23 years to complete the structure.

10,000 well treated, non-slave workers labored for 23 years to put 2,300,000 stones together to construct the Great Pyramid. Supposedly every 2.5 minutes a stone was moved to its final position. That's how it would have to work out if they labored 12 hours a day, 100,000 stones per year; 273 per day is about 23 per hour. Even working 24 hours a day, 5.0 minutes per stone would be required to meet the timetable. The earlier idea that it was a seasonal project makes it more incredible. Of course this is considering the "average" 2.5 ton stones and not the megalithic ones. The nine slabs used above the King’s Chamber were 44-tons each.

Even if it was possible to slip a block into place every 2.5 minutes it doesn't account for chiseling each one out of the quarry, dressing it and moving it to the assembly site. The additional144,000 Tura limestone casing stones were finished to 1/100th an inch fit.

No matter what method was used the required 2.5 minutes remains the same for a 23 year project. Double it to 46 years and you're still looking at a stone going to its final position every 5.0 minutes. No one has ever calculated in the time involved to manufacture the building materials either. So how fast can you chisel?

This post has been edited by Twitch98: 24 August 2006 - 06:02 PM

[aquatus1]

But you are assuming that only one stone is being placed at a time. What is to prevent multiple teams from placing multiple stones in different locations?

[Twitch98]

Only a finite number can occupy a workable area and function efficiently. ALL the stones could not be placed en masse even if some on the lower quadrants were.

So how long does it take 6 guys to hack one stone of of the quarry strata and finish it to a dressed appearance? And yes the same law applies. Only so many teams can work in proximity to one another and function logistically.

And no the concrete idea is bogus aas well since the time constraints are at work. The limestone material would 1st have to be pulverized to dust before mixing it into a concrete-like slurry and that would have to then completely dry before use. So how long does it take part of the 10,000 man workforce to accomplish that times 2 million+?

I don't even pretend to have new answers, simply more questions.

[boorite]

Chris Dunn asked the manager of an Indiana limestone quarry what it would take to fill the order for the blocks used in the construction of the Pyramid of Khufu in the allotted 23 years.

He estimated that if all 33 quarries currently operating in Indiana tripled their output, the last block could be delivered at the end of 23 years.

I think there is a profound and widespread failure to appreciate the magnitude of the pyramid builders' accomplishment. "Ho-hum, they moved a lot of big rocks" seems to be the attitude. But if you get up out of a chair and try to plan something like this in a practical way, you see just what a freakishly colossal task it is.