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#1    Pilot28

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Posted 24 August 2006 - 07:10 PM

Well the question is simple what do you think will evolve intellegence next. I'm just curious to see what everyone thinks. Myself I'm not sure so I'll just throw out insects. What do you guys think?

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Posted 24 August 2006 - 07:14 PM

I doubt insects will become intelligent, first of all there are the physical limitations which prevent any significant brain mass, and then there's also no need for them to evolve intelligence; they're extremely successful. Also they've been around for so long, you'd think that they would have evolved intelligence already. tongue.gif

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Posted 24 August 2006 - 07:16 PM

No one really knows that will become the next dominant animal after we humans are gone...The closest we can guess is to look at what is intelligent already...Dolphins, squid/octopus, etc.

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Posted 24 August 2006 - 07:16 PM

Well they could over come the size limitation in the right enviroment. They have before. But your probably right. So what do you think is likely to evolve intellegence?

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Posted 24 August 2006 - 07:19 PM

Insects are already perfectly suited to their environments, they have no need to evolve 'intelligence' as you have defined it. They already have exactly what they need to survive as a species generally. They have been around far longer than anything else, and will be around far longer yet.
Nothing on earth at the moment, with the exception of the Primates (which i've always found to be a very egostatistical word) needs to evolve intelligence past what it currently has. Maybe in a few million we'll see new species create forms of art and entertainment and adapt more sophistcated uses of tools, but as it is there wont be anything. (Again, with the exception of other Primates, who are already as a species not far behind us)


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Posted 24 August 2006 - 07:24 PM

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Well they could over come the size limitation in the right enviroment. They have before. But your probably right.


Eh, good point. I never really considered that they might be allowed to grow larger again in the future. thumbsup.gif

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Insects are already perfectly suited to their environments, they have no need to evolve 'intelligence' as you have defined it.


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So what do you think is likely to evolve intellegence?


There are many animals which already have quite a high degree of intelligence, such as dolphins, elephants and octopuses. Perhaps they will get more intelligent as they evolve, but it really is almost impossible to tell for certain.


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Posted 24 August 2006 - 07:40 PM

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Nothing on earth at the moment, with the exception of the Primates (which i've always found to be a very egostatistical word) needs to evolve intelligence past what it currently has. Maybe in a few million we'll see new species create forms of art and entertainment and adapt more sophistcated uses of tools, but as it is there wont be anything. (Again, with the exception of other Primates, who are already as a species not far behind us)

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Umm BurnSide....not trying to get off topic here but we humans (well most of us seem to be) are primates.

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Posted 24 August 2006 - 07:47 PM

I'm well aware of that, why do you think i said i considered it an egostatistical word? Because we named our selves 'Pri' mates. The Primary species.


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Posted 24 August 2006 - 08:13 PM

I haven't got a clue on that one.  I'm still wrestling with how proto-humans and humans lept ahead in intelligence at an unprecidented rate relative to any previous species. blink.gif

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Posted 24 August 2006 - 11:22 PM

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I haven't got a clue on that one. I'm still wrestling with how proto-humans and humans lept ahead in intelligence at an unprecidented rate relative to any previous species

Your answer is evolution thumbsup.gif

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Posted 24 August 2006 - 11:37 PM

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Your answer is evolution thumbsup.gif


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Does anyone happen to know if this hypothesis was ever unverified?


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Posted 24 August 2006 - 11:44 PM

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Does anyone happen to know if this hypothesis was ever unverified

Never heard of it...I don't think that would play a big part...

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Posted 25 August 2006 - 08:08 AM

If humans are around they would surely murder any threat of intelligence in another species.

What would you consider as intelligence? If it is what we are today, then of (wow..... trying to think.... duh!) x billion years there has only been intelligence for 50k years.

Lose humans and the Earth could be destroyed before similar evolves again.

Before you read this next bit I just want to clarify that I do not ever see this happening, and would love to be proven wrong.

For me the next most likely form of intelligence to be on Earth could be alien.



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Posted 25 August 2006 - 05:03 PM

No normal-paced evolution doesn't account for later humans' leaps in intelligence.  The idea of evolution is that a rudimenrary organism develops into its present state through  successive generations.  Each can be measured progressionally and gradually.

Gradual and predictable progression is ubiquitous in all species.  Gradually increasing brain size coupled with intellect and progress in socialization should produce an expected and predicted result.  Humankinds' explosive intellectual advances have no precident in any other species. blink.gif

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Posted 25 August 2006 - 05:07 PM

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Gradual and predictable progression is ubiquitous in all species. Gradually increasing brain size coupled with intellect and progress in socialization should produce an expected and predicted result. Humankinds' explosive intellectual advances have no precident in any other species

Not in punctuated equillibrium thumbsup.gif

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