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#16    SwampGator

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Posted 11 October 2006 - 04:48 PM

It is my opinion that saying the "7 days" could actually be many years or a million years is just another example of people changing the words of the bible to not allow the sacred book to be debunked.

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Posted 11 October 2006 - 09:08 PM

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I'm not disrespecting or bashing Christians, but how they explain the Dinosaurs is absurd.  They claim that evolution scientists have no proof of the age of bones they dug up.  Where is thier proof that science is wrong?  Not the Bible, but solid proof.  I've never heard the theory that Noah didn't have room for the dinosaurs, that's why they died.  Come on, they gotta do better than that.  The Earth is only 6000 years old?  Again, how did they come up with that number.  It says that passages in the Bible are the key to finding the age of the Earth and Heavens, which ones?  How can anyone look at Genesis and read deep enough to figure out the story of the Dinosaurs when it says nothing about them?


Their 'proof' is attacking science and saying all the testing methods under the sun are false.

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At the end, dinosaurs were animals too, or?


So by some odd and amazing happening the T-Rexs, raptors and more... All lived together in peace with mankind?




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Posted 11 October 2006 - 09:41 PM

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Their 'proof' is attacking science and saying all the testing methods under the sun are false.
So by some odd and amazing happening the T-Rexs, raptors and more... All lived together in peace with mankind?


That is what you think, I wouldn't agree they met.

All I am saying is that the process of the creation took much longer than six days, however there is always the difficultie to explain people in a way they would not understand.

E.g. Jesus was way ahead of his time. That is why he had to use simple words easier understandeble to mankind at this time. In using the word 'love' in love your neighbour he ment solidarity. To help out in need even if you do not talk to your neighbour.

How much would we understand if another Jesus would preach among us now. A Jesus who would be, again, way ahead of our time, if he would use words and meanings not "invented" yet or not understandible for us yet. He would have to use the words that we are able to understand. And, I doubt that he ( or Abraham, Moses, Mohamed......) would bother us with less important  things for now.

That people like to twist around the words and the truth down the road is not his or Moses or Mohameds or............. fault.

That is us, humans.

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Posted 12 October 2006 - 12:14 AM

I came up with this same question long ago when i started to question my faith. I asked this somewhat blasphemous question to a priest, and several of my christian friends, and got the same reply from every one of them. Or at least along the same lines as "Satan put the dinosaurs on earth to make man doubt god." Some even went as far to say that he not only intended for fossils to make us doubt god, but also to be turned into oil to cause turmoil and corruption among humans.

I, being a true down to earth neutrality loving agnostic, dont really care one way or another whether or not God existed, asking questions only wastes your time, the only way to find out once and for all is to die.

Btw, to the guy who said dinosaurs were 99.9 percent proven to have existed. They have been proven to have existed. Period. No .1 of doubt, they did, period.

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Posted 12 October 2006 - 12:59 AM

Like PA mentioned the Genesis account shows man being created last.

Additionally, it never mentions any animals in particular, just like it doesn't mention any fish or birds in particular.

The Bible does mention dinosaurs after the Flood.  If you read the description of behemoth in Job and the descritption of leviathan, some people see these as descriptions of dinosaurs.

So, the dinosaurs were probably in the ark too.  Remember, even the eggs of the largest dinos were relatively small, so baby dinos could have been in the ark.

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Posted 12 October 2006 - 01:11 AM

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Like PA mentioned the Genesis account shows man being created last.

Additionally, it never mentions any animals in particular, just like it doesn't mention any fish or birds in particular.

The Bible does mention dinosaurs after the Flood.  If you read the description of behemoth in Job and the descritption of leviathan, some people see these as descriptions of dinosaurs.

So, the dinosaurs were probably in the ark too.  Remember, even the eggs of the largest dinos were relatively small, so baby dinos could have been in the ark.



No way a ship built out of wood could be big enough to to support the size and weight of two of each of the dinosaur species (the largest wood ships ever documented have been around 400 ft. tops)

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Posted 12 October 2006 - 01:14 AM

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So, the dinosaurs were probably in the ark too.  Remember, even the eggs of the largest dinos were relatively small, so baby dinos could have been in the ark.



If they were in the ark, then why do some say that the flood killed them off?  Did Noah really have time to determine male from female dinosaurs along with all of the other responsibilities he had not to mention gathering food for both herbivore and carnivorous dinosaurs.


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Posted 12 October 2006 - 01:18 AM

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If they were in the ark, then why do some say that the flood killed them off?  Did Noah really have time to determine male from female dinosaurs along with all of the other responsibilities he had not to mention gathering food for both herbivore and carnivorous dinosaurs.


The story says God took care of bringing the animals.

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Posted 12 October 2006 - 01:23 AM

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No way a ship built out of wood could be big enough to to support the size and weight of two of each of the dinosaur species (the largest wood ships ever documented have been around 400 ft. tops)



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The total available floor space on the ark would have been over 100,000 square feet, which would be more floor space than in 20 standard-sized basketball courts.

The total cubic volume would have been 1,518,000 cubic feet [462,686.4 cubic meters] --that would be equal to the capacity of 569 modern railroad stock cars.

Now comes the question, how many land dwelling air breathing animals would have had to be taken aboard the ark to survive the flood?

Doctors Morris and Whitcomb in their classic book,The Genesis Flood state that no more than 35,000 individual animals needed to go on the ark. In his well documented book, Noah's Ark: A Feasibility Study, John Woodmorappe suggests that far fewer animals would have been transported upon the ark. By pointing out that the word "specie" is not equivalent to the "created kinds" of the Genesis account, Woodmorappe credibly demonstrates that as few as 2,000 animals may have been required on the ark. To pad this number for error, he continues his study by showing that the ark could easily accommodate 16,000 animals.)

But, let's be generous and add on a reasonable number to include extinct animals. Then add on some more to satisfy even the most skeptical. Let's assume 50,000 animals, far more animals than required, were on board the ark, and these need not have been the largest or even adult specimens.

Remember there are really only a few very large animals, such as the dinosaur or the elephant, and these could be represented by young ones. Assuming the average animal to be about the size of a sheep and using a railroad car for comparison, we note that the average double-deck stock car can accommodate 240 sheep. Thus, three trains hauling 69 cars each would have ample space to carry the 50,000 animals, filling only 37% of the ark. This would leave an additional 361 cars or enough to make 5 trains of 72 cars each to carry all of the food and baggage plus Noah's family of eight people. The Ark had plenty of space.


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Again, we are talking about an event/story in the Bible, remember, God was involved.

Remember, the God of the Bible is the Creator, He is omnipotent, all-powerful.  He would easily be able to create the world in 6 24-hour days, since He would be able to create it in a split second if that had been His plan.

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Posted 12 October 2006 - 01:35 AM

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Again, we are talking about an event/story in the Bible, remember, God was involved.




The ship would have fallen apart at that size, even with modern tech, we'd still need to use metal reinforcement to build a ship near that size out of wood

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Posted 12 October 2006 - 01:38 AM

If you read the bible.. some of the animals were not given names but referred to as beasts(could have been the dinasaurs). And I think Noah couldn't get all those dinosaurs in the Ark cos.. lets face it, some of them were just huge and had attitude problems, e.g T-Rex.
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Posted 12 October 2006 - 01:52 AM

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The ship would have fallen apart at that size, even with modern tech, we'd still need to use metal reinforcement to build a ship near that size out of wood


Wow, so you're a shipbuilder.  Cool.  What shipyard do you work at?

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Posted 12 October 2006 - 02:05 AM

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That's a very good question, but just to point out - not everyone of us Christians believe that evolution and the dinosaurs are abruptly a misconception, or something not of our peaceful world rolleyes.gif...

To tell you my view point, the seven days of creation talked about in Genesis, was WAY more than seven days (obviously, there is no other possible scientific way). In fact, it was an abbreviation, for many MORE days. A extended thread of evolution, when he put the smallest cell on the planet to evolve into the mightiest of dinosaurs, and into animals, and thus into man. A long stretch of creation, if I may say so. Genesis is filled with all sorts of hidden secrets wink2.gif.



Because obviously, the ancients who came up with this story couldn't possibly count higher than "7", and had NO concept of a time period greater than a day........................

As an aside, who wrote down the Genesis account?  For you literal minds out there, what I mean is who first recorded it?

And why is the bible so fluid?  
According to many here, Genesis' "day" is an indeterminate period of time, anywhere from 24 hours to (whatever number of years needed to be in accord with science).  Does that mean that Noah's "forty days and forty nights" is also adaptable?
How about Jesus' "forty days in the desert"?  Could it have been 40 years?  40 minutes?

And I have to ask:  How does one know which parts of the Bible are allegorical, which parts factual, and which parts are "god inspired"?  Seems that even those concepts are rather elastic.


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Posted 12 October 2006 - 02:10 AM

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Wow, so you're a shipbuilder.  Cool.  What shipyard do you work at?


laugh.gif No, not a shipbuilder, just someone who understands the limitations of size on wooden ships

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Posted 12 October 2006 - 03:11 AM

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And why is the bible so fluid?  
According to many here, Genesis' "day" is an indeterminate period of time, anywhere from 24 hours to (whatever number of years needed to be in accord with science).  Does that mean that Noah's "forty days and forty nights" is also adaptable?
How about Jesus' "forty days in the desert"?  Could it have been 40 years?  40 minutes?
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And I have to ask:  How does one know which parts of the Bible are allegorical, which parts factual, and which parts are "god inspired"?  Seems that even those concepts are rather elastic.
This is the qualifier to my above statement - there's always a provisional, eh wink2.gif  

One should note where the number is used, to gauge how best to make a response.  Especially whether the passage being read is either poetry or prophecy, both of which extensively use imagery.  Numbers have highly symbolic meanings in the Bible.  7 was the number for completion, hence 7 days of creation.  Likewise 40 days and 40 nights.  40 came to represent Israel in many ways (along with the number 12).  40 years in the wilderness, 40 days on the high seas, 40 days was Jesus tempted in the desert.  

Of the numbers you suggested, I'd be willing to think that Jesus being tempted for 40 days was actually 40 days, in order to hail back to the OT references to Israel's 40-year wandering in the desert (except that Jesus remained faithful and Israel did not).  I'd also perhaps lean towards a literal 40-year wandering of the desert, though I would not be surprised if it were symbolic.  And I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if those 40-days and nights on the Ark were completely symbolic.  

In a nutshell, it is the context of how the number was used that helps one to judge whether it really means that exact period of time detailed (I base my above belief on the poetic devices used in Genesis 1-11, from where we get both the 7-days of creation and the 40-days of floods).  This is true of all numbers, not just 7 days or 40 days/years.

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