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What is earth's oldest civliization


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Poll: What is earth's oldest civilization? (44 member(s) have cast votes)

Which of these do you suspect is the oldest?

  1. Egypt (14 votes [31.82%])

    Percentage of vote: 31.82%

  2. Iraq (13 votes [29.55%])

    Percentage of vote: 29.55%

  3. Iran (3 votes [6.82%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.82%

  4. Spain/France (3 votes [6.82%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.82%

  5. Indus region (5 votes [11.36%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.36%

  6. Bolivia (3 votes [6.82%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.82%

  7. Western China (3 votes [6.82%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.82%

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#1    Bella-Angelique

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Posted 15 November 2006 - 07:32 AM

I think a lot of people believe that the oldest civlization on earth has been determined, when the reality is that it is still very much open to debate.
I was curious as to which one that is known about so far at this point in time is suspected as being the oldest by UM members and would enjoying reading any information pieces anyone has on this topic.
To me this is truly one of the greatest unsolved mysteries of them all.

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Posted 15 November 2006 - 07:49 AM

Bella,

I have used this

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3: a society in an advanced state of social development (e.g., with complex legal and political and religious organizations)


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description of 'civilisation'. to provide my response. In this regard I hold the Mesopotamian civilisation in Iraq to be the earliest reliably dated. There were earlier cultures and if a different interpretation of civilisation is used they would be considered.

Do you agree with the interpretation of civilisation as I posted or would you prefer to refine this?

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Posted 15 November 2006 - 08:28 AM

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Do you agree with the interpretation of civilisation as I posted or would you prefer to refine this?


I think it is just fine and I am open to different views also.
The choices I picked to choose from are ones that I have heard or read different scholars choose for different reasons, such as Iran because of its mines.
I myself picked Mesopotamia also for the classical reasons.


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Posted 15 November 2006 - 10:10 AM

Hi!  
    I'm new here and i thought i'd better start interacting with people!
Personally, i think Iraq is the oldest, purely from what i've read and come across.


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Posted 15 November 2006 - 10:29 AM

Hi, Wiccanboy  original.gif

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Posted 15 November 2006 - 10:48 AM

Welcome WiccanBoy. Have fun here.

I wouldn't say that "Iraq" or Iran" are the oldest civilization, but I would be more comfortable with saying that they could be the SITE of the oldest civilization.

Of course, there are those who claim to have evidence of even older stuff going on in prehistory but, are not commonly accepted by modern science.

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Posted 15 November 2006 - 11:54 AM

Id say there were tribes in south america that predated the Olmecs, and go further back than we know

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Posted 15 November 2006 - 03:31 PM

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Id say there were tribes in south america that predated the Olmecs, and go further back than we know


I think the way that one scholar did his dating by the positionings of the buildings was pretty convincing. I think many believe Tiahuanaco is older than Jericho.

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Posted 15 November 2006 - 04:06 PM

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Personally, i think Iraq is the oldest, purely from what i've read and come across.

Welcome, hope you enyoj your stay!  original.gif

If I remember right there was an test made and tehy treid to tell from where we humans come from, and there result was afrika. So I'd guess egypt. (read it on a science magazine)
but I'm not sure.

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Posted 15 November 2006 - 04:11 PM

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If I remember right there was an test made and tehy tried to tell from where we humans come from, and there result was afrika.


Genetics is as good a source to site as any other to me. I have wondered about the bottle neck of human genetics and if this indicated that a civilization existed at that time that was advanced enough to help them survive by storing food in large amounts successfully.

Edited by Bella-Angelique, 15 November 2006 - 04:11 PM.

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Posted 25 November 2006 - 03:56 AM

how about the lost civilization off coast of india???  

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Carbon dating of one of the wooden samples has dated the site to around 7500 BC


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Posted 25 November 2006 - 04:34 AM

I would have to say India because of the manmade bridge recently discovered that connects Sri Lanka and India.

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The bridge's unique curvature and composition by age reveals that it is manmade.
Legend as well as Archeological studies reveal that the first signs of
human inhabitants in Sri Lanka date back to the primitive age, about 1,750,000
years ago and the bridge's age is also almost equivalent.


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Posted 25 November 2006 - 04:40 AM

Antarctica may conceal the oldest civilization. With the progression of global warming we may be able prove this original.gif

http://www.prep.mcneese.edu/engr/engr321/preis/piri_r~1.htm

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Posted 30 November 2006 - 08:57 PM

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Antarctica may conceal the oldest civilization. With the progression of global warming we may be able prove this original.gif

http://www.prep.mcneese.edu/engr/engr321/preis/piri_r~1.htm

Now that I think about it, there may well be civilizations from 3 billion years ago in earth.

A metallic sphere from South Africa with three parallel grooves around its equator (photo courtesy of Roelf Marx). The sphere was found in a Precambrian mineral deposit, said to be 2.8 billion years old. [p. 813, Forbidden Archeology]

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Posted 30 November 2006 - 10:11 PM

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Now that I think about it, there may well be civilizations from 3 billion years ago in earth.

A metallic sphere from South Africa with three parallel grooves around its equator (photo courtesy of Roelf Marx). The sphere was found in a Precambrian mineral deposit, said to be 2.8 billion years old. [p. 813, Forbidden Archeology]

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Wouldn't it make more sense to say that this ball could be a hoax, rather than to say that dozens of fields of science are outright wrong? Especially seeing as it's pretty much the only piece of 'evidence' to support your theory.

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I would have to say India because of the manmade bridge recently discovered that connects Sri Lanka and India.

Check it out:
http://www.stevequayle.com/Giants/Ancient....anka.bridge.jpg


The bridge's unique curvature and composition by age reveals that it is manmade.
Legend as well as Archeological studies reveal that the first signs of
human inhabitants in Sri Lanka date back to the primitive age, about 1,750,000
years ago and the bridge's age is also almost equivalent.


Rama's Bridge is 3,500 years old.

You say it's man made and 1,750,000 years old; that's over 10 times older than the entire Homo S. Sapien species!

Edited by Raptor X7, 01 December 2006 - 12:39 AM.





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