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#31    Jjbreen

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Posted 28 November 2006 - 06:25 PM

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rofl.gif  tongue.gif  cool.gif   LOL...I forgot I started this thread... I came across that 'interesting' site  after trying to explore and interesting poem......can't find it anymore....  sad.gif ...

..Here's another interesting theory....

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/02/13/...ain673726.shtml

"The book is partly a health guide so people can live to benefit from a coming explosion in technology he predicts will make infinite life spans possible.

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I found this quote of the good Dr. that really bothered me:

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"Death is a tragedy," a process of suffering that rids the world of its most tested, experienced members people whose contributions to science and the arts could only multiply with agelessness, he said.


Death to me is nota "tragedy" - it is simply a fact of life.

I think one of the other people in the interview pointed out two things that are simply very valid points:

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Sherwin Nuland, a bioethics professor at Yale University's School of Medicine, calls Kurzweil a "genius" but also says he's a product of a narcissistic age when brilliant people are becoming obsessed with their longevity. "They've forgotten they're acting on the basic biological fear of death and extinction, and it distorts their rational approach to the human condition," Nuland said.


I think this is a valid point. After a certain age, 50+, people start fearing the 'end'. Now one being just over 50 and have had more than my share of health challenges - I can honestly say, "death does not bother me. I do not fear the fact that I'm going to die. Why? Fearing death isn't going to make it go away! I've choosen to not fear death, but to enjoy life! Now I will say that when it's my time - I would rather it not be painful... "

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The instinct to preserve individuality, and to gain advantage for yourself and children, would survive any breakthrough into biological immortality which Silver doesn't think is possible. The gap between the haves and have-nots would widen and Kurzweil's vision of a united humanity would become ever more elusive, he said.


I think those who 'owned' this technology would use it to their own end. The Rich & Powerful could afford this and we the middle +/- class would not. Thus the Rich and Powerful would grow more Rich and more Powerful and those who were not - well - simply put would not.

As long as Poltics and Money exist - so will the abuse of power over those people that are not into the political scene and are not rich.  

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Posted 28 November 2006 - 06:34 PM

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People are not immortal.


oh yes they are.

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Posted 28 November 2006 - 06:36 PM

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Not to burst your bubble...
But it's BS.


still just because this one website he posted is BS doesn't mean that people being immortal is BS.


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Posted 28 November 2006 - 06:46 PM

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still just because this one website he posted is BS doesn't mean that people being immortal is BS.



BS, Fantasy, Tabloid News - all equals one thing - simply not true.

There simply is no evidence - a true "Imortal" would be so on the run - now w/all sorts of ID, tax records, passports, and other checks/balances. Then add to that Theft ID watches built in. Unless they lived in the 3rd world and choose to be forever poor - they simply couldn't hide. Would be simply impossible.


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Posted 28 November 2006 - 06:51 PM

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BS, Fantasy, Tabloid News - all equals one thing - simply not true.

There simply is no evidence - a true "Imortal" would be so on the run - now w/all sorts of ID, tax records, passports, and other checks/balances. Then add to that Theft ID watches built in. Unless they lived in the 3rd world and choose to be forever poor - they simply couldn't hide. Would be simply impossible.


So you don't believe that there is another realm after the physical realm. Which consists of spirits living in that realm. So you believe that once you die. Your dead. And you don't believe that your soul your spirit lives in the spirit world when you die and leave the physical world.


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Posted 28 November 2006 - 06:54 PM

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So you don't believe that there is another realm after the physical realm. Which consists of spirits living in that realm. So you believe that once you die. Your dead. And you don't believe that your soul your spirit lives in the spirit world when you die and leave the physical world.

This is all just your opinion like usual. Don't state it like its fact. sleepy.gif

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Posted 28 November 2006 - 07:01 PM

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This is all just your opinion like usual. Don't state it like its fact. sleepy.gif


look whos talking.  disgust.gif It's skeptical eric. w00t.gif

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Posted 28 November 2006 - 07:14 PM

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So you don't believe that there is another realm after the physical realm. Which consists of spirits living in that realm. So you believe that once you die. Your dead. And you don't believe that your soul your spirit lives in the spirit world when you die and leave the physical world.


That was not the focal point of the dialog - "LIfe after death"

I think you need in all fairness to let us know you changed the focal point of the orginal point of the thread....  thumbsup.gif

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Posted 28 November 2006 - 07:46 PM

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Posted 28 November 2006 - 08:33 PM

If immortality was going on then it would be the atlantians responsible for it.




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Posted 28 November 2006 - 10:42 PM

...from another site....

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http://present-truth.org/death_secrets######2.htm

What would happen now if Adam and Eve, having sinned, should continue to eat of the tree of life?

This tree was planted in the midst of the Garden, as was the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (Genesis 2:9), To partake of the latter meant death, To partake regularly of the tree of life would perpetuate life.

What now?

We read: "The Lord God said, , , , Lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way Ii the tree of life," Genesis 3:22,24, God did not propose that sinners should live forever.

From this clear Biblical picture of the matter we conclude two things: (I) Man was created with the possibility of immortality before him on condition that he meet the test of obedience. (2) Man was not created with inherent immortality, He was "subject unto death" if he should sin.

Thus we are not shocked to find the Bible reference to man as "mortal." We quote, "Shall mortal man be more just than God? Job 4:17. Nor are we surprised to find this very sweeping statement regarding God, "who only hath immortality," 1 Timothy 6:16.

In other words, God is immortal and man is mortal, In fact, the word immortal is found but once in the Bible and is applied to God. "Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God," 1 Timothy 1:17,

DID GOD GIVE MAN AN IMMORTAL SOUL?



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Posted 28 November 2006 - 10:54 PM

http://home.entouch.net/dmd/genesis.htm



http://home.snu.edu/~brint/wpsjnl/montgomery.htm

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Posted 28 November 2006 - 11:02 PM

The immortality gene....

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Led by Sheng Ding, the Scripps team has created a chemical compound -- a so-called small molecule that reverses the aging process of mouse muscle cells, turning them into "stem-like cells" and then re-growing them into different cells "just like a newt," Ding said.

Ding said more research has to be done to determine exactly what reversine does to the cells, but he's optimistic he's onto something. The chemists' goal is to create a single compound that will turn ordinary cells into embryonic cells and then use another compound to direct the new cells to grow into desired tissues.

Clues may well come from research at University College London, where Jeremy Brockes has isolated an enzyme implicated in the salamander's ability to re-grow an eye lens after it has been surgically removed.

Brockes said he would be amazed if the mechanics of salamander and human cell growth differs much: "Because it would seem very strange that an animal with the same basic body plan such as ours did not have something very important to teach us about regeneration."

http://www.voy.com/28371/414.html

http://www.worldhealth.net/p/genes-governi...2006-08-22.html
Genes Governing Embryonic Stem Cell "Immortality" Discovered

Embryonic stem cells differ from other cells in the body. They can divide seemingly endlessly; they do not perform a specialized function; and, ultimately, they can become any other type of cell. How they do this remains a mystery, but new research has uncovered some of the genes that allow these cells to renew themselves.

Molecular biologist Ihor Lemischka of Princeton University and his colleagues used a bent sequence of RNA--so-called short hairpin RNA (shRNA)--to sequentially turn on and off various genes within embryonic stem cells from a mouse. The shRNA, delivered by a virus, allowed the researchers to determine whether a given gene helped control stem cell differentiation. Focusing on 70 genes that make transcription factors--proteins that control a suite of other genes--the scientists found 10 likely candidates.

The team then engineered versions of these genes that could be turned on and off by the presence of the drug doxycycline to uncover their specific effects. Seven of the identified genes proved to be potent regulators of a stem cell's ability to split and then renew itself. Without them, the cell rapidly became specialized, losing its unique pluripotent status.

The research offers hope of one day being able to control the renewal and development of stem cells into specific specialized cells. "This is the beginning of developing ways of manipulating these cells toward desired ends," Lemischka offers. "In some ways, it's just the tip of the iceberg. We haven't looked at all the genes."
Lemischka and his colleagues plan to continue research into mouse stem cells as well as human colonies. "One of the clear goals is to perform similar studies in the human embryonic stem cell system," he notes. The research was published online yesterday in Nature. --David Biello


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Posted 28 November 2006 - 11:27 PM

Many excellent science fiction novels in the 1950's and 60's explored this posibility. They looked at  the consequences of individuals, small groups and the whole world achieving physical immortality(usually but not always excepting accidental death) While fascinating stories the main value in these novels is how they explored alternative responses and consequences to the different scenarios. For example a man who had live for thousands of years would both avoid parts of the world which were physically dangerous, and be well prepared for staying secret in the information age.He would have a great deal of wealth through simple accumulation/investment and plenty of time to develop many deep cover identities all round the world. He could do this long before modern methods of identification. Of course, if very many people became immortal the issue of reproduction and resource use became critical. On a more realistic note demographers say that a woman born in a developed country today will have an average lifespan of 100 years and most of this will be healthy and mobile.Genetics suggest that man has a limited ability to reproduce genes which fixes our life span at a maximum of about 120 years, but gene manipulation and new technologies may alter this. My prediction is that we will achieve the scientific ability to become "immortal"/very long lived, long before we are spiritually/socially ready for it. Much the same happened with birth control and other medical advances which have radically changed our society. As for  immortals already living among us. Anything is possible, from a variety of perspectives, and lack of current evidence is not conclusive proof, but the balance of probabilities is against it.

You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world..

Be cheerful.

Strive to be happy.

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Posted 29 November 2006 - 12:45 AM

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http://www.jhershierra.com/index.html?gcli...CFR_uYAodBTsVAw
"Resurrected Immortals Live Among Us, Physical Immortality Is Possible

Life can be greater than we ever imagined. People have been resurrecting and achieving physical immortality since before the days of Lazarus. Resurrected Immortals move among us, some have estates, businesses and bank accounts. They also have their own retreats hidden away from humanity. Immortals have perfect bodies. They can disappear and reappear anywhere on the planet (teleportation). They can communicate telepathically with others, walk on water and through fire, nothing is impossible for them. Immortals guide humanity in their spiritual evolution. They are what many call guardian angels. They remain in an immortal state to work among humanity to promote freedom and spiritual evolution.
For Hundreds of years the Immortals have been slowly teaching us the way to freedom. All current teachings bring us into Disciple level. Jhershierra's book and her school "The 7 Levels to Mastery and Immortality" take humanity to the next levels Initiate, Master and Resurrected Immortal.
Start our classes at the7 Levels School by reading the book and filling out an application. Resurrection , Physical Immortality and eventual Ascension is the purpose of all humanity and the real message of Jesus' Life.

The Greatest Mistake in human history is finally revealed, The Golden Age is already here, Immortals live among us and we can join them."
http://www.jhershierra.com/jhershierra.html



hate to disagree with you on this one, but guardian angels may be immortal but they dont do stuff like what this article says. guardian angels are created to guard something someone or some place, hence the word "gardian" maybe the right word for the beings in which you speak of are spirit guides? and not to be a sceptic or anything but physically it is impossible to be immortal. maybe spiritually yes, but not physically.





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