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Excellent post, and very intriguing to hear from someone actually at the site.
In response to the comments about science. You are taking my words too specifically. I don't ever say that all science is hogwash. I definitely think the scientific method is a good one. BUT, I do not like scientism as was described earlier in this thread. When people use science as their religion, things get retarded. And also, science is something we have made up. All the words, the definitions, its all made up. We are merely observing a phenomena and giving it a name. Gravity is a good example. We have merely observed it. Reality didn't actually come out and say, "Gravity exists." We decided that it exists. I'm amazed that scientific people don't see how our human experiences in society shape what we think is weird and whats not. It's difficult for me to articulate what I'm trying to explain. But certain things in our society have already been labelled as "impossible" and those thing will never be accepted by the scientific community as actually worthy of debate. They used to say string theory was retarded, now they accept it as part of the universe model. It just takes time for scientists to allow something to be ok. Its bureaucracy, pure and simple. No scientist is going to say they are looking for a bigfoot creature, their career would be condemned. That is why I say its retarded to worship science as if it's the only way to study something. That is the most close minded avenue in this world. Obviously more is going on than we can explain and worshipping science is exactly the same as worshipping god.
Rezna, I agree with you completely. Whatever is out at the Ranch is not going to let scientists study it. That has been well established. I belong to the local MUFON group and have met several people that have had experiences out there. There is alot going on even outside of the Ranch property and north of there. The entire area extending to the eastern border nearl Vernal is ripe with weird happenings. My husband was fishing with his BASS club at Dutch John side of Flaming Gorge Reservoir and about 8:00 pm saw several UFO's. His friends also saw them. Strange sightings and experiences have been experienced around Dry Fork Canyon just 6 miles northwest of Vernal, UT as well and my group is also going to investigate this area this summer.
The people I know who have had experiences at the Ranch have had a very difficult time processing what happened to them. It has upset their entire belief system about life as they knew it and they have suffered physical maladies as well. Specifically, gastrointestinal cramping, headaches, nightmares when discussed with others on the same trip are all similar to 2 or 3 others having the same nightmares. Also, for a few days after the visit, some experienced agressive behavior that scared them as it was not their nature to be agressive. They said they have the feeling that whatever is at the Ranch wants them to bring others there, for what purpose, they don't know. These people are all middle-aged professionals who are not crackpots in the least. Some are in the mental health field. 3 of them were hypnotized when they got back to recover possible buried memories of their trip and one drew some fascinating pictures right after hypnosis. There is one photograph someone took from inside their tent upon hearing something outside trying to pull up their tent stakes. I will locate these again and put a link here for all to view.
It looks like Utah will have an early spring so I'm hoping to get to the Ranch sometime in April or May. I will keep posting and report anything new I hear or experience. I have a healthy fear of what's going on there but I am compelled to visit anyway. Some links are found on www.aliendave.com. Dave has also been to the Ranch and he has not updated his site in a long time but there are alot of links and information there on the Ranch.
Edited by icdedppul, 18 February 2007 - 04:21 PM.
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