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Jack the Ripper's face revealed 120 years on


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#16    Bella-Angelique

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Posted 21 November 2006 - 04:00 PM

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your right , there is a close resemblance , hmmm........ l wonder .
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Hard to say at that angle. The forehead looks too broad in the drawing and the space from lower lip to chin point too thin to match.

Then there is that nose, that long thin nose with the narrow point between the eyes, then the bump, and then the tiny flare at the end of its tip. Alot of other features might be common but not that nose.

Find the match among the suspects to that long squiggly nose and there is The Ripper I bet, regardless of hair color because they could use blacking back then as a disguise since it was a common product.

Since he looks thin and has dark circles under his eyes, recent physical illness might help narrow down the suspects also.

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Posted 21 November 2006 - 08:37 PM

hmm im not sure yeah he could of looked like that but the image looks to modern and i cant picture him in the 1880 fashion

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Posted 21 November 2006 - 09:12 PM

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hmm im not sure yeah he could of looked like that but the image looks to modern and i cant picture him in the 1880 fashion


The image looks too modern because it is a modern e-fit. It is, however, based on the written statements taken at the time of people that saw thee Ripper.

I have taken that image and processed it so that it looks like a picture taken at the time. I hope this helps.

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Posted 21 November 2006 - 10:09 PM

still looks mexican  laugh.gif


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Posted 21 November 2006 - 10:56 PM

I keep expecting him to grab a microphone and start going "It's a kinda magic..."

Shame I missed this program...there's always going to be something about Jack the Ripper that just grabs people in the UK. It's possibly our most famous real life murder mystery...and as horrific and gruesome as it is, it's something that I'll always have an interest in. If there's something on tv about Jack the Ripper, I'll watch it if I get the chance. Maybe i've got a morbid streak tongue.gif

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Posted 22 November 2006 - 04:24 PM

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If there's something on tv about Jack the Ripper, I'll watch it if I get the chance. Maybe i've got a morbid streak tongue.gif


I think a lot of us do. He is as close to a caped real life vampire monster as we have to read about.

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Posted 22 November 2006 - 05:24 PM

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He looks German.


Italian if you ask me.

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Posted 23 November 2006 - 04:17 AM

I DID IT!!!! I am Jill the Ripper!! HEHEHEHE!!!!


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Posted 24 November 2006 - 12:07 AM

I don't think he looks German at all.  He looks more like he came from the old American West than he does Germany. I'm German so I definetly know he doesn't look German.  He definetly doesn't have a German's features. And most Germans have red,light brown,white or blonde hair.  With his fat mustache and slicked back hair then he looks more John Wayne than German!! grin2.gif  But he does look Italian-possibly with some Spanish mixed in!!

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Posted 24 November 2006 - 02:11 AM

You all forget that the victorian time was THE Era of facial hair!!! Massive moustaches, side-burns galore, etc. Any Gentleman who had an opinion of himself would sport a 'tache. So, nothing to do with Mexicans, Turks or otherwise.

It has also been clearly established that Jack must have had an educated knowledge of anatomy, very likely even surgery. The organs that were removed had been done so with precision & accuracy & couldn't have performed by a lay-person (So, Aaron Kosminski - Nope). The madness lay more in the arrangement of the organs around the bodies, like the draping of the intestines around the shoulders of one victim. Of course, in the case of Mary Kelly, the post mortem mutilations of her body such as cutting off her nose, skinning her thighs to the bone, etc, were pure savagery. I personally find the theory that there must have been another person involved assisting Jack very credible.

I don't have TV at the moment, so anyone who has seen the program & can let us know the main points on which the profile is based would be much appreciated!

Oh, and, although the similarity is undeniable, please leave poor Freddie (may his soul rest in peeece!) out of it!  w00t.gif

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Posted 24 November 2006 - 02:23 AM

The main points of the profile were that Jack was NOT very well educated. The one letter that was almost certainly sent by him showed that he was barely literate. He was most likely a local man. Modern profiling techniques suggest a specific street in Whitechapel that he probably lived in. All of the victims had lived very close to that street at one time or another. He did not show a very high degree of sophistication in his murder technique and would almost certainly have been caught quickly if modern police techniques had been available.

I'm sorry I can't give more detail, although I watched the programme I'm not very knowledgeable on the subject.

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Posted 24 November 2006 - 03:23 AM

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You all forget that the victorian time was THE Era of facial hair!!! Massive moustaches, side-burns galore, etc. Any Gentleman who had an opinion of himself would sport a 'tache. So, nothing to do with Mexicans, Turks or otherwise.


Yes, and colored mustache wax was common.
Comb in and wash out hair color.

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I do not think that black hair was nessesarily their natural hair color, or if waxed, even that it was straight hair as in the picture. Changing the color and texture would be a good and an easy disguise.

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Posted 24 November 2006 - 04:45 AM

I wasn't aware of the latino population in London during this time. grin2.gif

He looks just like my Uncle, who's 1000% Ecuadorian.

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Posted 24 November 2006 - 05:49 AM

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The main points of the profile were that Jack was NOT very well educated. The one letter that was almost certainly sent by him showed that he was barely literate. He was most likely a local man. Modern profiling techniques suggest a specific street in Whitechapel that he probably lived in. All of the victims had lived very close to that street at one time or another. He did not show a very high degree of sophistication in his murder technique and would almost certainly have been caught quickly if modern police techniques had been available.

I'm sorry I can't give more detail, although I watched the programme I'm not very knowledgeable on the subject.


Well, I went back and read up on Jack, just to refresh my memory & look at current, different thories- it's been a while...

It seems it still has not been clearly established whether he actually did have medical/anatomical knowledge or not. So, I modestly withdraw my phrasing of "It has been clearly established" & apologise for the inaccuracy.

Some say yes, some no. (I've compiled some exerpts of statements from the inquests & autopsy reports of the time . I initially intended to copy them into my reply, but on second thoughts, considering our younger members, I decided not to, for obvious reasons. For anyone interested, I'll send them to you via PM.)
To me, they are nevertheless convincing enough to indicate at least some level of anatomical knowledge. IMO what also has to be taken into consideration are the light conditions, or absence thereof, and in some cases the short time span in which the killings have been executed.

With regards to the letter...I don't know, could it be possible that the illiteracy was faked to a certain degree? For ex., he does get words like which and where right, e.g. including the silent H; not an obvious phonetic spelling.

I also read some comments of hard-core "Ripper-Fans" on a thread about that show (Channel 5!), and many are quite disappointed, also mentioning that there were historical inaccuracies..???



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Posted 24 November 2006 - 11:13 AM

The two pics at the top of the thread the modern day one and the one from back in the day well they do kind of look alike, maybe not exactly but it's 100 plus years of difference so what we think he lookslike and the Aaron Kosminski bloak could be the same person.

But as of now i'd say any crime like he did you wouldn't really need much knowledge then again we learn about the insides in primary school and high school so if anyone was cut open we could probably name organs.

Back then?

Different, probably would have to have some knowledge but whose to say the man involved did?

As there are notes saying that their were many quak doctors at the time, and if he cut someone open he could of pulled out a organ well not pull but done his thing with a certain organ not knowing what it actually is.

Still didn't watch the program i don' think but i might check to see if any of it's on youtube.





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