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Tyrannosaurus Rex No Longer a Carnosaur


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#16    GoddessWhispers

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Posted 09 December 2006 - 12:36 AM

Scandelous! How dare they slur the good name of a flesh eater like TRex! For shame! For shame , I say! (wags finger all serious like) laugh.gif  Thanks for the information. I did not know that.  unsure.gif

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Posted 09 December 2006 - 01:28 AM

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Last night on the Science Channel, they premiered a new documentary on Tyrannosaurus Rex that totally changes its fearsome image. For example:

Tyrannosaurus hunted in family groups =o

Tyrannosaurus ran 15-20 mph, not 30 ='(

Tyrannosaurus's gait was like an elephants

But the most surprising new discovery is that it doesn't belong in the Carnosaur group anymore, it now belongs in the coelorusaur group due to the discovery of its oldest, small, feathery relative named Guanlong Wucaii. Instead of belonging in the family Tyrammosauridae it now belongs to Tyrannosaroidea. This means that Tyrannosaurus Rex is more closely related to birds as once thought. This even means it is now closely related to raptors and other coelorusaurs.

That's been in books for a while now.

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So how does that make the T rex less fearsome?  Because it is now a coeloruesaur, and may hunt in packs, does that mean it no longer eats meat and you can ride one like a Shetland Pony?  No, that is just stupid.  None of those things make it less "fearsome" if you (or a smaller dinosuar) were standing in front of the snout of one.  Does it hurt less to be eaten by a giant Coelorusaur than a Carnosaur?

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I wish people would stop ruining my childhood. First I was told Santa isn't real, then I keep getting told that the coolest animal to ever walk the earth was in fact a feathery vegetarian. I will always believe that a T-Rex was a big, bad angry mofo with teeth like spears and faster than a cheetah. That's what it's all about.

Erm... It was a ferocious carnivore, not a "vegetarian".

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Posted 10 December 2006 - 04:50 PM

I think Secondhand was exaggerating somewhat when he said 'feathery vegetarian'

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Posted 10 December 2006 - 07:16 PM


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T-rex was actually a predator. The scavenger theory was made by Jack Horner.


I don't know, I heard it was quite a strong theory!
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Posted 10 December 2006 - 10:07 PM

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I heard it was quite a strong theory!

Not at all...The worlds leading experts on theropods strongly disagree with him.

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Posted 11 December 2006 - 12:23 AM

15-20mph is still faster than most people can run.


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Posted 11 December 2006 - 01:52 AM

But many prey dinos could possibly run faster.

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Posted 11 December 2006 - 11:08 AM

How fast could a Raptor run,,they seem like they could be very fast.

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Posted 13 December 2006 - 01:22 AM

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I wish people would stop ruining my childhood. First I was told Santa isn't real, then I keep getting told that the coolest animal to ever walk the earth was in fact a feathery vegetarian. I will always believe that a T-Rex was a big, bad angry mofo with teeth like spears and faster than a cheetah. That's what it's all about.


T-rex could be a vegan postmodern artist who spent every weekend at a poetry slam and it still wouldn't make the L.A. rampage scene in The Lost World any less fulfilling.

And coelurosaurs can be pretty bad mofos themselves. Pack animals. *shudder* I have nightmares that I'm being hunted by them. Yes, I have dinosaur dreams. Yes, my parents still make fun of me for this.

Honestly, I don't see how these changes necessarily "rock the boat" for T-rex. We're reexamining and recategorizing animals all the time, so it's amazing we haven't done much more with T-rex before now. Maybe because it did have such a fearsome image that it's some sort of blasphemy to try and change it in anyway. No matter what people think of Jack Horner (and I'm very fond of him for reasons not involving the scavenger thing, plus every time I've talked to Bakker, he's been a jerk) he at least had the balls to throw out something new about T-rex. Sacred territory I guess.

But if T-rex was discovered to be a vegan postmodern artist, I might be a little disappointed.

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Posted 13 December 2006 - 01:52 AM

personally, I believe T Rex was an oppurtunist. It would hunt down creatures but wouldn't mine dining on a dead carcass

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Posted 13 December 2006 - 03:48 AM

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How fast could a Raptor run,,they seem like they could be very fast.

It depends. Velociraptor, utahraptor, deinonychus?

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Posted 13 December 2006 - 07:25 AM

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It depends. Velociraptor, utahraptor, deinonychus?





It's pretty hard to judge the speeds of dinosaurs. Mainly cause with trackways you can have a good estimate with the stride and the length of the leg. However, its not very often they find trackways that represent running speeds. Often its walking, just like humans how many times a day do you run as fast as you can??? Not very often, so they have to kind of judge on the how the muscles were attached to the bones and what not and compare them to modern animals, such as an ostrich has a very similar leg structure to T-rex, for a modern animal. I watched a documentry and they had a 3 D image of what T-rex would look like if he could run 32 miles an hour and the buddies thighs were so massive with muscle they were riding up his ass and over his back. I read somewheres that Deinocherius could of been the fastest dinosaur, but that is just based on a set of massive arms that were found. So much theories out there, guess were gona have to search for the answers ourselves  haha.


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Posted 13 December 2006 - 10:19 PM

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And carnivore is an opportunist.

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Posted 14 December 2006 - 04:45 AM

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And carnivore is an opportunist.

I meant to say that he (or she) would take any kind of meat when she had the opprtunity. Like  it finds a rotting dino, it will eat it, but it might just hunt down fresh food.



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Posted 14 December 2006 - 06:06 PM

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I wish people would stop ruining my childhood. First I was told Santa isn't real, then I keep getting told that the coolest animal to ever walk the earth was in fact a feathery vegetarian. I will always believe that a T-Rex was a big, bad angry mofo with teeth like spears and faster than a cheetah. That's what it's all about.



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