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Is it possible for a God to be almighty ?


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#16    moe eubleck

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Posted 13 November 2003 - 09:47 PM

QUOTE (TheLight @ Nov 13 2003, 08:05 PM)


To respond to the one saying this was an anti-religion topic, it's not. It just questions if a God could be almighty, no more no less. May be a God is almighty enough to do what he has to do but that doesn't mean is 100% almighty.


ohmy.gif  ah forgive me then TheLight.  I was under the assumption that this was simply a debate about science vs religion and  that you were trying to disprove the might of God.  I see now that you were looking for a more contained answer, as ooposed to my universal one.
  It was the logic game. And it went right over my head.

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Posted 14 November 2003 - 02:26 AM

   Of course its possible , anything unkown for sure is possible . For all you know I am an alien who has taped into the earths internet and is discussing topics on this forum as means of study on the human race .

Of course , I am not an alien . But you can't really know that for sure can you ? Since you havn't seen me outside of the forums . Just stating that you can't really disprove the existance of an almighty god with opinions and/or facts since nobody can know for sure .

In the way, the supernatural is what's behind the curtain. Normally, you only need to see what's happening in stage. That's how reality works. If you don't know then it's for the best. Actually, learning about the supernatural only increases the number of things you don't know.

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Posted 14 November 2003 - 06:01 AM

If you could easily understand the entire magnitude of Gods existence,  He wouldn't be God. That would be a God created by man, instead of a God that created man.




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Posted 14 November 2003 - 06:12 AM

QUOTE (dust19 @ Nov 13 2003, 08:35 PM)
I like these type of questions. They really have NO right answer. Both parties just keep expanding and expanding until you realize that your using a lot of brain power to figure out nothing. To me it says a lot about how we, as humans, think. We may think we're getting smarter, but it's the fact that where we are focusing our thought power is not the smartest place. Think about it...

You're right but this thread was a just a logical game, not anything to be taken too seriously. Of course there are smarter things to think about, and I spend so much time thinking about them that sometimes I find it relaxing to debate about some less important topics like this one.

There's no right answer here, I agree on that. There's a mathematical answer that says "No it's not possible". And there's a mystical answer that says "Yes of course it's possible even though it's logically impossible".

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Posted 14 November 2003 - 06:22 AM

QUOTE (eddie @ Nov 14 2003, 05:01 AM)
If you could easily understand the entire magnitude of Gods existence,  He wouldn't be God. That would be a God created by man, instead of a God that created man.

Well again that's off topic, I'm not discussing any specific God.

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Of course its possible , anything unkown for sure is possible . For all you know I am an alien who has taped into the earths internet and is discussing topics on this forum as means of study on the human race .

Of course , I am not an alien . But you can't really know that for sure can you ? Since you havn't seen me outside of the forums . Just stating that you can't really disprove the existance of an almighty god with opinions and/or facts since nobody can know for sure .


Ok, you got the answer "Anything's possible until proven wrong". I can know for sure that you're not an alien since an alien would be most probably very advanced and could understand that this thread is only a "logical game". And he would probably come up with some logical arguments weighting the cons and pros.

Damn, so many people just end up in faith or religious talk while the only goal of this thread was only a little playful logical debate.

Anyway, I mean after all everyone is free to participate, it's a public forum. But please try to keep the original spirit of this thread.

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Posted 14 November 2003 - 09:50 AM

this hypothetical "super-creature" called "god" or "jack" or "susan" (or that guy called "Q" from star trek) or whatever, must have SOME limitations to its powers. its mere existence proves that. but our silly minds probably cant understand or reconstruct conditions under which that "creature" would be powerless - but those conditions must exist, at least i think so. and that idea: "oh, god wouldnt bother doing that" just makes no point in this discussion, coz that wasn't the question.
i think that this "absoulte power" must be devided in some way. one single entity with "unlimited" power just seems like a bad idea:)))) would this "creature" have the power to kill itself? and what then? bah, as you guys stated, its pretty pointless
to discuss all this with our "down-to-earth" way of reasoning. people have the power the make questions that have no answer, and there's no limit to human imagination. and we all could be right or wrong... coz there's no way of going around that old line "oh yea? well prove it!" original.gif)))). we have opinions, and thats it:)
and i bet NONE of them are the right ones:)))))))))

just an idea about "christian" god: if god exists, then satan exists. if god is so powerful and allmighty, why doesnt he simply destroy satan, the creator of all that's evil? he wont? why the hell not?!?! or he can't? is there an agreement between the two?original.gif))) aw, who cares, i'm off to have a beer:)))


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Posted 14 November 2003 - 02:03 PM

Weight means nothing to an Almight God.  It is completely irrelevant, not even an obstacle sense he controls the very forces of nature.  Therefore your question makes no sense, you might as well have asked if he could make a rock so yellow that he couldn't lift it.


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Posted 14 November 2003 - 02:30 PM

QUOTE (Pinecone @ Nov 14 2003, 01:03 PM)
Weight means nothing to an Almight God.  It is completely irrelevant, not even an obstacle sense he controls the very forces of nature.  Therefore your question makes no sense, you might as well have asked if he could make a rock so yellow that he couldn't lift it.

the question wasn't whether weight "means" something to him. and "forces of nature" also have nothing to do with it. the point is: are the some "things" he can't control... you will say of course no, and i will say yes. and both of us will be right, and wrong. blah... that beer really hit the spot:)


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Posted 14 November 2003 - 10:58 PM

an example of something he couldn't control is?


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Posted 15 November 2003 - 01:23 AM

QUOTE (Pinecone @ Nov 14 2003, 09:58 PM)
Q.an example of something he couldn't control is?

A. El Chupacabra

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Posted 15 November 2003 - 03:31 AM

  laugh.gif @ moe .

Do you really scream "El chubacabra " at random people ?

In the way, the supernatural is what's behind the curtain. Normally, you only need to see what's happening in stage. That's how reality works. If you don't know then it's for the best. Actually, learning about the supernatural only increases the number of things you don't know.

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Posted 16 November 2003 - 01:24 AM

Light....

I point out that God, the only God, the one that created the universe you live in (whether you believe it or not) is more powerful, more intuitive than you could ever imagine....and you say I'm off topic?  You brought up a 'might be' question about God and I answered it the ONLY way it can be answered.........

Sorry you don't agree, but the answer to your question lies within you, if you'd open up your mind to it.  Someday when you're in great despair he will be there for you, no matter what terrible, denying things you say about Him.














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Posted 16 November 2003 - 01:50 AM

QUOTE (Xenojjin @ Nov 15 2003, 02:31 AM)
laugh.gif @ moe .

Do you really scream "El chubacabra " at random people ?

Dude! yeah. I was just at the Pearl Ridge Mall and screamed " El Chupacabra El Chupacabra " at a yuppy tourist family.  It made my kids and thier kids laugh, but the mother went pale and the father splashed his coffee.  The security gaurds even thought it was funny but they hate tourists anyway.
  At Denny's when I placed my order I yelled " El Chupacabra!" The waitress didnt even flinch  tho. She just looked at me with a raised eyebrow then asked what kinda salad dressing I wanted. I did notice however that the room went  silent for a moment.
  I shout it at the mailman daily, but he doesnt seem to care either. With the meth heads peddlin up and down the streets all night, and the crazed dirt bikers chasing wild cats, I dont think much phases him at this point.
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Posted 16 November 2003 - 05:33 AM

QUOTE (eddie @ Nov 16 2003, 12:24 AM)
Light....

I point out that God, the only God, the one that created the universe you live in (whether you believe it or not) is more powerful, more intuitive than you could ever imagine....and you say I'm off topic?  You brought up a 'might be' question about God and I answered it the ONLY way it can be answered.........

Sorry you don't agree, but the answer to your question lies within you, if you'd open up your mind to it.  Someday when you're in great despair he will be there for you, no matter what terrible, denying things you say about Him.

See you're assuming some kind of religion already, I could have been talking about the greek god Zeus ? Or Toutatis ? Or any God ? Or no existing God for the matter.
The point is that this thread was a logical game not a faith challenge. I think I made it crystal clear in my previous messages...

So basically don't expect me to comment anymore on off topic posts, I respect other people religion whatever it can be but that's not the topic at hand here.

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Posted 16 November 2003 - 06:04 AM

Moe quoted ...
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At Denny's when I placed my order I yelled " El Chupacabra!" The waitress didnt even flinch tho. She just looked at me with a raised eyebrow then asked what kinda salad dressing I wanted.
I told you it was a specialised job ,

it's O.K. when i stuff up at work  I tell the customers it's O.K. I'm not sober ......  thumbsup.gif  





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