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Posted 21 July 2007 - 04:35 PM

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Well the titanic dude said all the details with almost no mistake and he also said that some spirit from astral plane told him this

As for Daniel i odnt know how to spell his name in my language its:
Danielius Danglas Houmas
Daniel Dangle Houm? <--- try this one tongue.gif

Nope - none of thos worked - not even Daniel Hourman or Houm or Daniel H. there seems to be a big zero on this name. Which IF indeed he did this, it would have been noted some where on the net.


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Posted 22 July 2007 - 03:43 PM

yes you are attacking other threads. stop! lol


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Posted 22 July 2007 - 05:05 PM

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yes you are attacking other threads. stop! lol

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Posted 22 July 2007 - 07:08 PM

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Nope - none of thos worked - not even Daniel Hourman or Houm or Daniel H. there seems to be a big zero on this name. Which IF indeed he did this, it would have been noted some where on the net.


Well not everyone is famous and he lived 100 years ago -_-


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Posted 22 July 2007 - 08:41 PM

OK, some local friends of mine have handed over the $$'s to raise the below challenge to $1,000.00. That's a total of $1,000.00, not $1,300.00.

Now where are the "Kazuma's", "Darkbreeds", "Randi the Orcal" of the group and other big talkers of this?
Still in silent M.I.A. mode?
Dudes and duddetts... what do you fear?
Failure??  rolleyes.gif
Please no spiritual platitudes... they get seriously old and are seen for just what they are - Lame Excuses to avoid the obvious.

NOTE:
Anyone that wishes to add funds to this challenge may do so. Just REPLY to this post and add your name and amount that you will pay towards the challenge. UNDERSTAND - I have every intention of paying out the $1,000.00. So I totally expect anyone that adds to this, the integrity to do also. (Three people have PM'd me about this now.) Do not post $$ added if you have no intention of paying it out - should it be met. Please.... Thanks.... JjBreen

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Ok: some people seemed to have trouble understanding the RULES of the $300.00 $1,000.00 Challenge. I'm not sure how I can make it any clearer, but here the Challenge 'cleaned' up a bit.

Ok, here is an attempt to clarify the RULES for the $300.00 $1,000.00 Pin Wheel (Psi Wheel) TK  Challenge:

$900.00 of the award is from me, Jj and $100.00 of it is sponsored by UM Member: Arthur Vandolay -aka- Anthony.

It must be understood that ALL the conditions of the $300.00 $1,000.00 challenge MUST BE MET. The applicant cannot change the rules to ‘fit their need’. If any of the conditions are NOT met as spelled out, the applicant failed to meet the requirements of the $300.00 $1,000.00 Challenge.

This Challenge CANNot using any Remote Control devices or Hidden Devices or Secondary "Power Sources", ie:
-- Electronic Pumps,
-- Motors,
-- Fans,
-- Heater,
-- Coolers and such.
-- Any IR (Inferred) Control Devices
-- Any Laser or Light technology.
-- Spot Lights
-- Strings.
-- Magnets
** Cannot be near any Spot light, heat lamps, heater vents, air flow vents and/or windows. It must be protected as is possible from these sources.
.... or any other props to pull of the "stunt" or "ilussion". This is NOT an "illusion" Challenge.

In other words be Accountable to be HONEST.
As stated to Matt's attempt -
I will put up $300.00 $1,000.00 to anyone that can create an HONEST video using the PIN WHEEL to show Psi (TK) with ALL the following conditions being met.

This test must be done w/ALL the following conditions:

A.
Clear see through table top, and legs.
.. You can set the plastic clear table top on some tall glasses or some other clear leggings.


B.
Feather, Toilet paper strips or other super light weight material placed loose on the table inside and outside the CLEAR Bowel w/the Pin Wheel.

C.
Nothing under the bowl, except the light weight loose material, the pin and support and the paper wheel.
Thus seeing all the way through at all times.

** The paper pin wheel must be white 100% paper. NO specialty paper.
** On person just IM'd me showing me his video w/Tracing Paper. That would be fine.

D.
Your Face and Both hands MUST be visible in the video at all times.

E.
Your hands must be 12 inches or more away from the bowl during the TK Demo. They canNOT be closer than 12 inches.

F.
Volume on the video must be ON. So we can hear what is taking place.
There must be NO pause or Edit 'blips' during the demo. Once the DEMO starts, you CANNOT TURN OFF THE CAMERA AT ANY TIME!


This will be reviewed for this by a local expert that I know and trust. He knows what to look for - he does this for a living for the past 25 years & the co-sponser: UM Member: Arthur Vandolay -aka- Anthony.

As for your $100.00, I’m willing to throw in another! Same rules you stated prior HOWEVER, I am a videographer, so if at all possible I would like a copy of the original (i will pay for shipping etc) So I can check it for edits, and other 'tricks'. If you let me do that, then I throw in 100 dollars to the cause. Make it the $200 challenge maybe that will wet their whistles.

So you must supply the ORGINAL COPY of the video to Arthur aka Anthony. He will pay for the shipping of the video as stated. So there is NO money out of your pocket

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You must give before the test a 360 degree view of the room where you are before the test. All the room, not just the floor. We need to know what is in the room and who is in the room w/you.

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IF there is anyone else w/you during the video and demo – they (everyone) MUST be made known, both visual and audio.

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You must give at least a 2-3  foot FOV (Field Of View) of the Table before during the demo.
We must be able to clearly see the paper spin w/out any question marks at all. Again remember your character is on the line here for being honest and straight w/us.


J.
You must tell us which direction the pin wheel will spin and it MUST spin in that direction.
Then Stop it via TK and spin it in the opposite direction.


ALL THE ABOVE MUST BE MET - Not just part of them. ALL OF THEM.

... Then show the video online to the group ...

This is the first phase of the video & Demo.

After it has been viewed and validated that you met ALL the above:
** I will deposit $25.00 in your PayPal or other online Account for gas to do the next part.

You will give me your City & State where you live.
I will contact local High School or Community College to find a Science teacher that will have you come in and video the EXACT demo w/the exact same equipment. They will inspect it and then you are to do the video as you presented above. The teacher at the end will validate that NO Tricks or "side steps" were taken and that indeed this was done by no other explanation then "TK".

** If this video then passes you will receive the remainder of the $300.00 $1,000.00 prize money into your PayPal or other online account.

*** BUT - If it is found that you used any kind of tricks or other acts of dishonesty - You will need to pay back the $25.00 and apologize to the group for your act of Fraud.

It has been asked of me in private:
"Jj - do I have to state in public forum that I am taking this challenge?"

The answer is: YES

- I've put the challenge up in public. So anyone taking the challenge has to state so in public as well. This way everyone here knows, "I've been 'called on the challenge'." With everything clearly documented here, this will be watched, especially me. Should someone meet ALL the above requirements, then I have to PAY OUT THE MONEY- Which I have every intention of doing so.

- But also it gives us a clear accounting of the person doing the challenge. So that we all see: Did they meet ALL the Check List?

Do I expect anyone to take the Challenge?
… NO - I honestly do not, which is very sad. A lot of people “talk the talk” but unlike me – they will NOT put their “money (actions) where their mouth is”.
It is EASIER and safer for them to talk the talk – then to ‘walk’ the talk.

For this simple reason:
When one removes the actual science behind it - you remove what you thought was TK. So no one will dare risk proving I and others were right all along - it's just science being passed off as Psi. The "believers" know this only all too well. Thus they cannot step up - for then they too will prove - it's just Science and not Psi.

THE RULE:  
You must be accountably HONEST. Dis-Honesty intended or not - will void this agreement and seen as an act of fraud.

Now it has been questioned as to my acceptance of the video:

I can only say this once.
ANYONE that meets ALL the above conditions, I HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO ACCEPT IT! What part of that do you NOT understand?? It really is JUST THAT SIMPLE... Because other wise I look the fool and Con-artist. I have to much respect for my reputation than to play that kind of stupid game. If you "do it" - hey I will honestly be super impressed and will be HAPPY to pay you the money, if for no other reason - YOU DID IT! YOU PROVED YOUR WORDS W/CLEAR ACTIONS!!

Ok - there are a lot of talkers of this "power" - so any 'takers' --- or are we still just all talk?

As I have posted the challenge, this is what must be done:

THIS MUST BE FOLLOWED - IT IS PART OF THE CONDITIONS OF THE CHALLENGE!!

You must cut/paste the acceptance of this challenge, in this thread ---> BEFORE you present any videos.

I .....(full name & Handle)..... agree to take JjBreen's Pin Wheel Challenge. I agree to meet ALL the conditions set in the challenge. If I do not meet ALL of them - I have defaulted and the have broken the agreed upon challenge. Thus NO monies are owed me.

I .... *full name* ..... will present the first part of the Video on ... *date* .....

I live in the following .... *city* ..... and ... *state* ....

.... FULL NAME .... --- Date:


Edited by Jjbreen, 22 July 2007 - 08:56 PM.


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Posted 22 July 2007 - 09:05 PM

I Dark lotus hereby am putting up 300 dollars of my own money (Canadian funds) to whoever completes J's challenge my payment is is not connected to J's but will be paid personally by me J's challenge is for a grand when you pass his test he will pay you what he owes you then i will pay you what i owe you. So in total you can earn a grand American 300 Canadian, have at it ladies and gentleman

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Posted 24 July 2007 - 07:12 AM

ATTENTION - ADDITIONAL MONEY ADDED TO PIN WHEEL TK CHALLENGE

D?rk_Lotu§ on Jul 22 2007, 02:05 PM, said:

I Dark lotus hereby am putting up 300 dollars of my own money (Canadian funds) to whoever completes J's challenge my payment is is not connected to J's but will be paid personally by me J's challenge is for a grand when you pass his test he will pay you what he owes you then i will pay you what i owe you. So in total you can earn a grand American 300 Canadian, have at it ladies and gentleman


OK, some local friends of mine have handed over the $$'s to raise the below challenge to $1,000.00. That's a total of $1,000.00, not $1,300.00.

Now where are the "Kazuma's", "Darkbreeds", "Randi the Orcal" of the group and other big talkers of this?
Still in silent M.I.A. mode?
Dudes and duddetts... what do you fear?
Failure??  rolleyes.gif
Please no spiritual platitudes... they get seriously old and are seen for just what they are - Lame Excuses to avoid the obvious.

NOTE:
Anyone that wishes to add funds to this challenge may do so. Just REPLY to this post and add your name and amount that you will pay towards the challenge. UNDERSTAND - I have every intention of paying out the $1,000.00. So I totally expect anyone that adds to this, the integrity to do also. (Three people have PM'd me about this now.) Do not post $$ added if you have no intention of paying it out - should it be met. Please.... Thanks.... JjBreen

NOTE:
The challenge is now open only to participants of age 18 or over.

Jjbreen on Jun 18 2007, 02:00 PM, said:

Ok: some people seemed to have trouble understanding the RULES of the $300.00 $1,000.00 Challenge. I'm not sure how I can make it any clearer, but here the Challenge 'cleaned' up a bit.

Ok, here is an attempt to clarify the RULES for the $300.00 $1,000.00 Pin Wheel (Psi Wheel) TK  Challenge:

$900.00 of the award is from me, Jj and $100.00 of it is sponsored by UM Member: Arthur Vandolay -aka- Anthony.

It must be understood that ALL the conditions of the $300.00 $1,000.00 challenge MUST BE MET. The applicant cannot change the rules to ‘fit their need’. If any of the conditions are NOT met as spelled out, the applicant failed to meet the requirements of the $300.00 $1,000.00 Challenge.

This Challenge CANNot using any Remote Control devices or Hidden Devices or Secondary "Power Sources", ie:
-- Electronic Pumps,
-- Motors,
-- Fans,
-- Heater,
-- Coolers and such.
-- Any IR (Inferred) Control Devices
-- Any Laser or Light technology.
-- Spot Lights
-- Strings.
-- Magnets
** Cannot be near any Spot light, heat lamps, heater vents, air flow vents and/or windows. It must be protected as is possible from these sources.
.... or any other props to pull of the "stunt" or "ilussion". This is NOT an "illusion" Challenge.

In other words be Accountable to be HONEST.
As stated to Matt's attempt -
I will put up $300.00 $1,000.00 to anyone that can create an HONEST video using the PIN WHEEL to show Psi (TK) with ALL the following conditions being met.

This test must be done w/ALL the following conditions:

A.
Clear see through table top, and legs.
.. You can set the plastic clear table top on some tall glasses or some other clear leggings.


B.
Feather, Toilet paper strips or other super light weight material placed loose on the table inside and outside the CLEAR Bowel w/the Pin Wheel.

C.
Nothing under the bowl, except the light weight loose material, the pin and support and the paper wheel.
Thus seeing all the way through at all times.

** The paper pin wheel must be white 100% paper. NO specialty paper.
** On person just IM'd me showing me his video w/Tracing Paper. That would be fine.

D.
Your Face and Both hands MUST be visible in the video at all times.

E.
Your hands must be 12 inches or more away from the bowl during the TK Demo. They canNOT be closer than 12 inches.

F.
Volume on the video must be ON. So we can hear what is taking place.
There must be NO pause or Edit 'blips' during the demo. Once the DEMO starts, you CANNOT TURN OFF THE CAMERA AT ANY TIME!


This will be reviewed for this by a local expert that I know and trust. He knows what to look for - he does this for a living for the past 25 years & the co-sponser: UM Member: Arthur Vandolay -aka- Anthony.

As for your $100.00, I’m willing to throw in another! Same rules you stated prior HOWEVER, I am a videographer, so if at all possible I would like a copy of the original (i will pay for shipping etc) So I can check it for edits, and other 'tricks'. If you let me do that, then I throw in 100 dollars to the cause. Make it the $200 challenge maybe that will wet their whistles.

So you must supply the ORGINAL COPY of the video to Arthur aka Anthony. He will pay for the shipping of the video as stated. So there is NO money out of your pocket

G.
You must give before the test a 360 degree view of the room where you are before the test. All the room, not just the floor. We need to know what is in the room and who is in the room w/you.

H.
IF there is anyone else w/you during the video and demo – they (everyone) MUST be made known, both visual and audio.

I.
You must give at least a 2-3  foot FOV (Field Of View) of the Table before during the demo.
We must be able to clearly see the paper spin w/out any question marks at all. Again remember your character is on the line here for being honest and straight w/us.


J.
You must tell us which direction the pin wheel will spin and it MUST spin in that direction.
Then Stop it via TK and spin it in the opposite direction.


ALL THE ABOVE MUST BE MET - Not just part of them. ALL OF THEM.

... Then show the video online to the group ...

This is the first phase of the video & Demo.

After it has been viewed and validated that you met ALL the above:
** I will deposit $25.00 in your PayPal or other online Account for gas to do the next part.

You will give me your City & State where you live.
I will contact local High School or Community College to find a Science teacher that will have you come in and video the EXACT demo w/the exact same equipment. They will inspect it and then you are to do the video as you presented above. The teacher at the end will validate that NO Tricks or "side steps" were taken and that indeed this was done by no other explanation then "TK".

** If this video then passes you will receive the remainder of the $300.00 $1,000.00 prize money into your PayPal or other online account.

*** BUT - If it is found that you used any kind of tricks or other acts of dishonesty - You will need to pay back the $25.00 and apologize to the group for your act of Fraud.

It has been asked of me in private:
"Jj - do I have to state in public forum that I am taking this challenge?"

The answer is: YES

- I've put the challenge up in public. So anyone taking the challenge has to state so in public as well. This way everyone here knows, "I've been 'called on the challenge'." With everything clearly documented here, this will be watched, especially me. Should someone meet ALL the above requirements, then I have to PAY OUT THE MONEY- Which I have every intention of doing so.

- But also it gives us a clear accounting of the person doing the challenge. So that we all see: Did they meet ALL the Check List?

Do I expect anyone to take the Challenge?
… NO - I honestly do not, which is very sad. A lot of people “talk the talk” but unlike me – they will NOT put their “money (actions) where their mouth is”.
It is EASIER and safer for them to talk the talk – then to ‘walk’ the talk.

For this simple reason:
When one removes the actual science behind it - you remove what you thought was TK. So no one will dare risk proving I and others were right all along - it's just science being passed off as Psi. The "believers" know this only all too well. Thus they cannot step up - for then they too will prove - it's just Science and not Psi.

THE RULE:  
You must be accountably HONEST. Dis-Honesty intended or not - will void this agreement and seen as an act of fraud.

Now it has been questioned as to my acceptance of the video:

I can only say this once.
ANYONE that meets ALL the above conditions, I HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO ACCEPT IT! What part of that do you NOT understand?? It really is JUST THAT SIMPLE... Because other wise I look the fool and Con-artist. I have to much respect for my reputation than to play that kind of stupid game. If you "do it" - hey I will honestly be super impressed and will be HAPPY to pay you the money, if for no other reason - YOU DID IT! YOU PROVED YOUR WORDS W/CLEAR ACTIONS!!

Ok - there are a lot of talkers of this "power" - so any 'takers' --- or are we still just all talk?

As I have posted the challenge, this is what must be done:

THIS MUST BE FOLLOWED - IT IS PART OF THE CONDITIONS OF THE CHALLENGE!!

You must cut/paste the acceptance of this challenge, in this thread ---> BEFORE you present any videos.

I .....(full name & Handle)..... agree to take JjBreen's Pin Wheel Challenge. I agree to meet ALL the conditions set in the challenge. If I do not meet ALL of them - I have defaulted and the have broken the agreed upon challenge. Thus NO monies are owed me.

I .... *full name* ..... will present the first part of the Video on ... *date* .....

I live in the following .... *city* ..... and ... *state* ....

.... FULL NAME .... --- Date:


Edited by SaRuMaN, 18 October 2007 - 05:52 PM.


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Posted 24 July 2007 - 09:10 AM

*blinks in amazement* this still going lol?  Ne1 actually taken up the challenge yet?

An illusion is an illusion.  The key difference between the two is that one is limited by time and the other by perception.

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Posted 24 July 2007 - 06:49 PM

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*blinks in amazement* this still going lol?  Ne1 actually taken up the challenge yet?

Nope - not one taker of it..... no surprise, the talkers cannot risk the known and expected failure.


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Posted 25 July 2007 - 05:11 PM

Ok, some how w/the updates this got "lost".

This Pin (Psi) Wheel challenge is only good in the USA. I am sorry, I cannot extended to other countries. I can call any where in the USA for free. I cannot afford to be making Over Seas or International Calls. This is simply not reasonable. I do apologize for this, but hope that you understand. If people from other countries wish to help w/this, I certainly welcome it, but it must be understood - you must not have any investiment w/any person(s) doing the challenge, for very obvious reasons. -- Jj -

Rest of the RULES can be found here.

Edited by Jjbreen, 25 July 2007 - 05:14 PM.


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Posted 26 July 2007 - 02:26 AM

I'm curious, why not challenge the forum to levitate a bowling ball or an SUV?  mellow.gif  I must admit, this is the first time I have ever been privy to an outright challenge of PSI in the name of SCI and for cash  blink.gif. If I could perform the requested ability, I would do it for free as it would benefit nearly all who would witness the account. Then again, I'm not sure the world in it's present state would be ready to benefit from the experience.... I digress.

I believe that "PSI and SCI" share one commonality. Both are in it's infancy from a universal perspective. What our ancestors consider magic back then like the radio or TV is now the mainstream in our everyday lives. The ability to fly by mechanical convention was predicted by the Egyptians and thought to be the rethoric of magicians or mad men.

2 Corinthians 4:18 - "while we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen; for the things which are seen are temporal, but the things which are not seen are eternal"

Colossians 1:16 - "For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-- all things have been created through Him and for Him."

I believe there will come a time where science CAN and WILL explain all the "magical" phenomina explored in this forum. At the present moment, these occurance, although not explainable by the majority do exist, and is as natural as the rising and setting of the sun. The very discussion of these premises make it a possiblity. I think faith is a key component to bridging the two seemingly distinct worlds. Even science works on faith in the belief that all things can be measured. I believe that a significant amount of this knowledge was again lost through language and generation. Science (as imperfect as many would deem it to be) has certainly helped piece the puzzle together by applying math and principle. Just my 2 cents on this tongue.gif

Edited by praeter, 26 July 2007 - 02:27 AM.


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Posted 26 July 2007 - 04:01 AM

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I'm curious, why not challenge the forum to levitate a bowling ball or an SUV?  mellow.gif  I must admit, this is the first time I have ever been privy to an outright challenge of PSI in the name of SCI and for cash  blink.gif. If I could perform the requested ability, I would do it for free as it would benefit nearly all who would witness the account. Then again, I'm not sure the world in it's present state would be ready to benefit from the experience.... I digress.

I believe that "PSI and SCI" share one commonality. Both are in it's infancy from a universal perspective. What our ancestors consider magic back then like the radio or TV is now the mainstream in our everyday lives. The ability to fly by mechanical convention was predicted by the Egyptians and thought to be the rethoric of magicians or mad men.

2 Corinthians 4:18 - "while we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen; for the things which are seen are temporal, but the things which are not seen are eternal"

Colossians 1:16 - "For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-- all things have been created through Him and for Him."

I believe there will come a time where science CAN and WILL explain all the "magical" phenomina explored in this forum. At the present moment, these occurance, although not explainable by the majority do exist, and is as natural as the rising and setting of the sun. The very discussion of these premises make it a possiblity. I think faith is a key component to bridging the two seemingly distinct worlds. Even science works on faith in the belief that all things can be measured. I believe that a significant amount of this knowledge was again lost through language and generation. Science (as imperfect as many would deem it to be) has certainly helped piece the puzzle together by applying math and principle. Just my 2 cents on this tongue.gif


First off - I've never said I'm looking for the explination of HOW it works. Before we can approach that we have to SEE it work, which seems to be the BIG PROBLEM w/the believers now. They can "talk the talk" - but well - 'walking it' --- nope, excuses are easier to give and oh do they give them.
The challenge is basically showing that since I've put my money where my mouth is - it's basically sent the big talkers RUNNING w/their tales between their legs. Because it seems they are quicker w/the excuses then anything else.

Again I am really excited to see Tangi, FrankB and a couple of other's that are setting a Clear Standard on UM - Make a claim - back it up with ACTION not words and not excuses.  thumbsup.gif

Seems the talkers are left in serious shame now.....



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Posted 26 July 2007 - 04:32 AM

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First off - I've never said I'm looking for the explination of HOW it works. Before we can approach that we have to SEE it work, which seems to be the BIG PROBLEM w/the believers now. They can "talk the talk" - but well - 'walking it' --- nope, excuses are easier to give and oh do they give them.
The challenge is basically showing that since I've put my money where my mouth is - it's basically sent the big talkers RUNNING w/their tales between their legs. Because it seems they are quicker w/the excuses then anything else.

Again I am really excited to see Tangi, FrankB and a couple of other's that are setting a Clear Standard on UM - Make a claim - back it up with ACTION not words and not excuses.  thumbsup.gif

Seems the talkers are left in serious shame now.....


I see. My apologies for having misunderstood your challenge. If there is one thing that does seem to be lacking these days is humility, if indeed that is the crime being exposed here. Forgive the aweful cliche but action does speak louder than words indeed.


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Posted 26 July 2007 - 04:41 AM

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I see. My apologies for having misunderstood your challenge. If there is one thing that does seem to be lacking these days is humility, if indeed that is the crime being exposed here. Forgive the aweful cliche but action does speak louder than words indeed.

Ok, I see that you just joined today. I would think if you are trying to emulate a Vulcan, you need to seriously work harder at it, please. Other wise maybe change your 'icon' to Homer Simpson. wink2.gif  Because a Vulcan would have gone over the existing data first before he made such a random post like this...

The history and reason for the above challenge is that several teens and on 20 yr old tried to pass of Science (thermodynamics) off as "Psi" - when it was exposed - they the Pin (Psi) Wheel believers got a tad 'pissed off'. They were certain the Pin Wheel could validate Telekinetic abilities. Well in order for that to happen, they would have to remove any and all science cause/effect.

Then I was asked back in late Nov 2006, what it would take to create a valid Pin Wheel demo to prove T/K - thus the Challenge. There was one attempt that failed because they found in order to pull of their scam - they had to cut serious corners in the established and agreed upon protocols. They not only failed - they finally admitted what everyone knew - it was a scam. They called it a "social experiment".   rolleyes.gif To rationalize a great number of post that were lies.

So the challenge was set - that IF someone wanted to use the Pin Wheel to validate T/K - these are the steps that would be needed to assure no illusion, tricks, photo editing and such were at play. Something YouTube and Google Video are flooded with. But nothing that even comes close to being credible or valid proof of T/K.


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Posted 26 July 2007 - 04:44 AM

keep in mind were here not to necessarily disprove it but to offer the chance to these psi users the chance TO prove it and if it can be proved then following the guidelines should be a walk in the park

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