[avs76]

The Takla Makan Mummies
"In the late 1980's, perfectly preserved 3000-year-old mummies began appearing in a remote Chinese desert. They had long reddish-blond hair, European features and didn't appear to be the ancestors of modern-day Chinese people. Archaeologists now think they may have been the citizens of an ancient civilization that existed at the crossroads between China and Europe." - quoted from this site:
http://www.pbs.org/w...taklamakan.html

These mummies are also known as Tarim mummies. One is called Ur-Adam or the Cherchen man. Apparently red-haired people have been found in other regions where one would not expect, such as Egypt, Peru and the Canary Islands. I don't know how trustworthy the content on this site below is:
http://www.burlingto...mmieschina.html

I find this pretty fascinating. There is a fair amount of info on the web about this topic, I just wanted to get other people's views on it. I apologise if this topic has been discussed before, but I couldn't find a thread on it.

[darkbreed]

Yes its pretty interesting, i have been looking at that site some years ago. Here is another url from there with a database of red and blonde haired mummies found all over the world: http://www.burlingto...hairedrace.html

[louie]

I visited the canary islands pyramids and yeah they found red haired mummies there, also stories or blond strangers with beards funny thing is that the indians were incapable of growing facial hair and yet they described and made statues of people with beards.
Ive read of similar storys in south America.

[Roj47]

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The Takla Makan Mummies
These mummies are also known as Tarim mummies. One is called Ur-Adam or the Cherchen man. Apparently red-haired people have been found in other regions where one would not expect, such as Egypt, Peru and the Canary Islands.

Man..... The Scots get everywhere!!!

[louie]

here some pics of the canary pyramids,

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[jonas16]

Very interesting facts. The Name Sounds funny tough.

[louie]

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Very interesting facts. The Name Sounds funny tough.

na, the name is the guimar pyramids they are in the Canary islands, isle of Tenerife

[crystal sage]

The

Basques???


http://barnesreview....st1997lead.html


Also..

http://www.freerepub...s/1366327/posts

.."I detected there was an essay concerning the ethnic consist of "Wu Hu" which invaded China during the Jin Dynasty. The author's view was that the Turk which raided China later was a Caucasian tribe (there Khan described as with grenn eyes and red cheek, more evidance available) , "Wu Hu" (Xiongnu, Jie, Qiang, Di, Xianbei) were not. But according to the Chinese ancient historical annual, the Xiongnu are such Nordic tribe with red hair and blue eyes like "Wushun". And, Jie, which was a branch of Xiongnu, also described as with high Nose Bridge, and "deep" eyes. After the collapse of their ruling to Han, the Jie people was distinguished easily because of their Caucasian feature and slaughtered (more than 200,000 victims). The historical work of the later dynasties also described the remained Xiongnu people as "Long nose" and "yellow hair". Until Tang dynasty, the "Qi Hu" which is the offspring of the royal Xiongnu people, still called "Hu tou Han se" which mean's they adopt the Chinese tongue, but still "foreign" feature. Much other evidence can support the standpoint that Xiongnu are Caucasion,I don't want to illustrate any more. Some people believe the Xiongnu are Mongolian race, because the Roman historian said the Hun people who invaded were"brown skin, stocky body, slanting eyes" which are typical Mongolian trait. But, actually, the Hun who invaded Europe 5th century was not the descendant of Xiongnu. The contemporary scholars affirm they are the identical tribe just because the pronunciation of "Hun" and "Xiongnu" are approximately the same. And there is some relationship between their languege. I also want to point out that around the 5th and 6th century, there's another branch of "Hun" ruined the Persia and Northwest India, that Branch was called "White Hun" The Persian historian said that thier feature were different from "Hun", with white body. Hence, it seemed that, they were also Caucasian. Now, let's come to Xianbei, many people noticed that, in the historical book, the Xianbei people were called "Bai Lu" means white invader (thief). And in the Great Work <>, I found the following story--The Emperor Of Eastern Jin, Jin Ming Di (Shima Shao), was with yellow beard and hair, because his mother was a Xianbei female. Once he went to inspect his troop without notice, And the warriors all considered him as Xianbei people, then chased him as enemy. The folk songs at that time said, "Huang tou Xianbei jin Luoyang"--Xianbei is with "yellow head", it is quite possible that "yellow head" referred to their yellow hair and beard. Xianbei is an alliance of tribes; there might also be some Mongolian tribes in it, but the Caucasian consist was more obvious, which all Hans paid attention to it. I'm inclined to be in approval of what Mr. Peng elaborated yesterday. The contemporary Chinese people don't dwell on the ethnic origin of the nation, most of them believe they are simply Mongolian race. That's not a correct concept. The racial intermix in china began before any dynasty, but the Neolithic time. The skulls unearthed in the relics of Banpo Xi'an reveal the trait of Caucasian, exactly, the Nordish Caucasian. The Banpo civilian used to be the hybrid of Nordish and Mongolian (like the Finn today). We all know, the Banpo is the representative civilization of the Northern China Neolithic civilizations, we can infer, many other Chinese civilizations in that time were created by Caucasian or mingled people. The Hemudu in Zhejiang is the representative Neolithic civilization in Southern China. But after measuring the skulls detected there, it was extremely amazed that, they're of Negro characteristics! One renowned Chinese anthropologist stated in his work that "According to the numerous skeletons of Indo-Europe people unearthed in China and the feature of the Southern Chinese people today, the Chinese nation can't be classified into the Mongolian race simply. At an earlier time, many Chinese anthropologists also clarify that it's completely wrong to say the ancient skeletons discovered in China belong to the same race. The Mongolian couldn't be regarded as the only "Local Chinese". The Caucasian also had been inhabited in Eastern Asia since very early time. In Japan, the aboriginal Ainu people was finally confessed as the ancestor of current Japanese nation. The Ainu was the Caucasian tribe moved to the Japanese islands more than 20,000 years ago, while the Mongolian just reached Japan around 10,000 years ago. They intermixed and yielded the Japanese people now. The same procedure of intermixing also took place in Korea. Another famous event happened last year also support the idea--some researchers of biochemistry analyzed the DNA refined from the mummies in some ancient tombs in Shangdong province, and made a conclusion that these DNA correspond that of the European people. Another research discovered that the gene of Northern Chinese is more close to the Caucasian, rather than the Southern Chinese. The origin of Zhou, The third Dynasty of ancient China, is also doubtful. The time of the establishment of that dynasty is not far from the time of Aryan Expansion. The chariot used by the soldiers of Zhou just resembles the chariot used by Aryan invaders to India! More critical, the ancient Chinese work written by Mengzi said that, Zhou Wen Wang (the emperor of Zhou) is the people of "western barbarians" It's quite possible that a branch of Aryan intruded china at the moving of Aryan. Someone even suspect the origin of the Qin Dynasty, which was the subsequent dynasty of Zhou. At least, there was some independent Aryan tribes which didn't integrated with local Chinese or absorbed by local Chinese still existed in Western and central China at the time of late Zhou dynasty. It was recorded that the king of Qin attack the ruler of Zhou with some barbarous tribes but failed. That event happened a few hundred years BC, at that very time, the Bactoria in Central Asia was conquered by 4 Nomadic Aryan tribes, the origins of 3 of these tribes were definite. Now, some historians reckon the 4th tribe might be the failed Aryan tribe that moved back to Central Asia. Until Han dynasty, the "Yue zhi" (pronounced as 'rou zhi, an Aryan Tribe) still live in Ganshu province, and sometimes also find the track of their activity in Northern China. And the region east to Tianshan Mountain (in the center of Eastern Turkeystan) was distributed by Saka (A branch of Aryan, whose language belongs to the Iranian Group, known as Scythian by Westerners and 'Sai Zhong' by Chinese). Now, many scholars believe that many "Yi" and "Di" (the diverse barbarian tribes) recorded in early Chinese dynasties are Caucasian. I'm afraid the origin Xiongnu can be traced back to Scythian. Because the record revealed that their custom were exactly the same. Thus, the Chinese people nowadays contain abundant of Caucasian blood. But currently, they all belong to the same nation, that's because the ancient Chinese culture was so great that it could absorb any other races, it was a furnace to integrate all races. And the Caucasian, Mongolian created the grand Chinese civilization together."

[crystal sage]

also...perhaps more meaning to the legends of the Yellow Emperor???

http://chinesecultur..._huangdi02a.htm

Huangdi (Yellow Emperor) and Yandi (Yan Emperor) are generally regarded as the ancestors of the Huaxia race. His surname is Ji and he is called Xuanyuan. He is the son of Shaodian.

It is believed there were many tribes settled down near Yellow River and engaged in farming about 4,000 years ago. Huangdi was the chief of a large tribe lived around Ji River. As the legend goes, at that time, Yan Emperor disturbed the other tribes in the region and Yellow Emperor defeated Yan Emperor at Banquan. Later the tribes lead by Huangdi killed Chiyou, a troublemaker, who was the chief of a large tribe in the east. Then he became the leader of all the tribes.

t is also believed there were many inventions originated from the time of Yellow Emperor, such as characters, ships and carts, medicines, music, sericiculture and some daily utensils. Thus Huangdi was said to be the founder of Chinese civilization.

Huangdi is also regarded as the central god among the five gods in the heaven in Chinese mythology.

http://www.mentcm.com/translatione.htm

http://china.org.cn/...4/May/94765.htm

[avs76]

Thanks, crystal sage, really interesting stuff. There are many legends from different cultures that seak of white (and bearded) men who came to teach them. There must be some element of truth to these stories, as there is a common thread among them. Native Central American people, for example, tell "of a white-skinned 'god' named Quetzalcoatl or 'Viracocha' who came from a drowned land bringing knowledge of farming and culture after a great flood." (quoted from Graham Hancock's website) I like to think that people from Atlantis (survivors?) explored the world and passed on their knowledge peoples from cultures that were still developing.

[Alrael]

avs76 on Dec 14 2006, 10:23 AM, said:

The Takla Makan Mummies
"In the late 1980's, perfectly preserved 3000-year-old mummies began appearing in a remote Chinese desert. They had long reddish-blond hair, European features and didn't appear to be the ancestors of modern-day Chinese people. Archaeologists now think they may have been the citizens of an ancient civilization that existed at the crossroads between China and Europe." - quoted from this site:
http://www.pbs.org/w...taklamakan.html

These mummies are also known as Tarim mummies. One is called Ur-Adam or the Cherchen man. Apparently red-haired people have been found in other regions where one would not expect, such as Egypt, Peru and the Canary Islands. I don't know how trustworthy the content on this site below is:
http://www.burlingto...mmieschina.html

I find this pretty fascinating. There is a fair amount of info on the web about this topic, I just wanted to get other people's views on it. I apologise if this topic has been discussed before, but I couldn't find a thread on it.

check this site out: http://www.world-mys...s.com/sar_6.htm

[jaylemurph]

Unfortunately for all the Atlantis fans, these people are perfectly well-accounted for by history. They're the most easterly of the Indo-Europeans, the Tocharians.
As usual, a brief touch of history eliminates the need to create fictional civilizations.

--Jaylemurph

[kerkinana walsky]

avs76 on Dec 23 2006, 07:14 AM, said:

There are many legends from different cultures that seak of white (and bearded) men who came to teach them. There must be some element of truth to these stories, as there is a common thread among them. Native Central American people, for example, tell "of a white-skinned 'god' named Quetzalcoatl or 'Viracocha' who came from a drowned land bringing knowledge of farming and culture after a great flood." (quoted from Graham Hancock's website) I like to think that people from Atlantis (survivors?) explored the world and passed on their knowledge peoples from cultures that were still developing.

As far as I'm aware there are no native central American legends that tell of a white bearded God arriving from a drowned land, do you have a credible source for this, by credible I mean anyone who hasn't on countless occaisons already been proven to be

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"an intellectual fraudster who had put forward half baked theories and ideas in bad faith, and that he was incompetent to defend his own arguments"

http://www.bbc.co.uk..._synopsis.shtml

there are no other legends that say that either so please can you link to where you got the idea that there are "many"

as for your Atlantis theory can you answer me what the Atlanteans were doing between the sinking of their land (9500 bce approx source Plato) and the emergence of World civilisation 6000 years later ?

perhaps they were on holiday or maybe taking a long dump !!!
any ideas ?

see "liking to think" is one thing but ignoring common sense and 5000 years of real history is something else


cheers

[jaylemurph]

kerkinana walsky on Oct 30 2007, 03:41 PM, said:

As far as I'm aware there are no native central American legends that tell of a white bearded God arriving from a drowned land, do you have a credible source for this, by credible I mean anyone who hasn't on countless occaisons already been proven to be
http://www.bbc.co.uk..._synopsis.shtml

there are no other legends that say that either so please can you link to where you got the idea that there are "many"

as for your Atlantis theory can you answer me what the Atlanteans were doing between the sinking of their land (9500 bce approx source Plato) and the emergence of World civilisation 6000 years later ?

perhaps they were on holiday or maybe taking a long dump !!!
any ideas ?

see "liking to think" is one thing but ignoring common sense and 5000 years of real history is something else


cheers

Kerkinana --

Welcome to UM. Just as some friendly advice, it's not very productive to ask Crystal Sage for evidence or to try to quote conventional history to her. She's just not interested. (Sources she can and does show, but they lack a certain academic rigour.) She is however an amazing and never-ending source of ideas and connections.

--Jaylemurph

[kerkinana walsky]

Ah then I guess her real name must be Ellie Crystal
http://www.crystalinks.com/
and the sage in her name refers to the plant and not the attribute



but that aside if you check you'll find that I wasn't responding to anything she posted anyway

I think from reading most of her posts thats probably for the best

This post has been edited by kerkinana walsky: 30 October 2007 - 10:19 PM