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Exactly who is Charles T. Hawkins?


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#91    Maaatt

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Posted 30 December 2006 - 06:20 PM

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Charles T Hawkins?
Isn't he that professor in a wheelchair?


I believe that is Stephen Hawking the world renowned physicist professor

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Posted 30 December 2006 - 06:23 PM

Or it could be Charles Xavier.


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Posted 30 December 2006 - 06:26 PM

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I believe that is Stephen Hawking the world renowned physicist professor


Gee, is there an echo in here?

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Posted 30 December 2006 - 06:26 PM

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I am half way through the book "how American faked the moon landings" and all I have to say is "wake up and smell the roses." If the moon landings were real then I am the fairy godmother.

What is Hawkins qualifications on Apollo - from what I have read so far - just his ability to write all this stuff probably makes him the most qualified person on the planet when it comes the Apollo Moon Landings. Hawkins is using star charts and Galaxy configurations just to prove NASA is lying about photos they claim were taken on the moon - is the guy even from this planet.



This has gotten beyond ridiculous.  
A supposedly world renowned scientist, and no one can find evidence of his existence.
A supposedly world renowned scientists, who has allegedly written a book which proves the Apollo program was a fake (?)...
A supposedly world renowned scientist, who, given the aforementioned fact, claims to have studied at the feet of Van Allen?!?! (of course, there's no evidence of that either...).


And you say, based on what you've read so far, that this as of yet unsubstantiated human being...IS THE MOST QUALIFIED PERSON ON THE PLANET WHEN IT COMES TO THE APOLLO MOON LANDINGS???

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OK....

"...is the guy even from this planet?"

Well, so far, that can't be proven.  





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Posted 10 January 2007 - 02:08 PM

Ok, some time has passed, I have been asking around about the elusive Charles T. Hawkins. It appears that the author of the book is neither (surprize!) the Professor, nor the Manhattan Real Estate Broker. Basically, Mr. Hawkins appears to be "the man that never was" sort of thing.

If one considers this to be *who* Mr. Hawkins really is then MID's comments here make perfect sense:

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A supposedly world renowned scientist, and no one can find evidence of his existence.
A supposedly world renowned scientists, who has allegedly written a book which proves the Apollo program was a fake (?)...
A supposedly world renowned scientist, who, given the aforementioned fact, claims to have studied at the feet of Van Allen?!?! (of course, there's no evidence of that either...).


So, I conclude that Charles T. Hawkins the scientist does not really exist. Does anyone have any evidence to the contrary?






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Posted 10 January 2007 - 02:31 PM

Even our friend straydog aka Duane Daman has lost faith in Hawkins:

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...=8843&st=45

Edited by flyingswan, 10 January 2007 - 02:32 PM.

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In which case it is fortunate that:
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Posted 10 January 2007 - 02:47 PM

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Even our friend straydog aka Duane Daman has lost faith in Hawkins:


What I find rather interesting is that I posted the link to that Clavius page in my very first post here in this thread!

Oh, I see that now Mr. Hawkins is being called a "NASA stooge" (as opposed to one of the world's greatest scientists). Amazing, absolutely amazing.

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Posted 10 January 2007 - 03:10 PM

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I see that now Mr. Hawkins is being called a "NASA stooge" (as opposed to one of the world's greatest scientists). Amazing, absolutely amazing.

I wonder if straydog will add this opinion to the reviews page at Amazon, save anyone else from wasting their money in the way that he has.

Shows you shouldn't dismiss clavius so quickly.

Edited by flyingswan, 10 January 2007 - 03:11 PM.

"Man prefers to believe what he prefers to be true" - Francis Bacon (1561-1626)
In which case it is fortunate that:
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Posted 10 January 2007 - 06:55 PM

This is from Straydogs post: (The bolding is my emphasis)

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Steve ... There is no reason to post Hawkins bio here ... I'm pretty sure it's as bogus as he is ... Apparently we have all been had ... I received an e-mail this morning from a friend of mine who follows my forum posts here and he saw that everyone was stilll trying to find out who Charles T. Hawkins is .... He sent me a post article from clavius about Hawkins and said he thought the guy was really a nasa stooge .... And after reading his train wreck of a book , it finally became clear to me also that the book was a set up .... It was most likely written by a nasa flunky trying to make the conspiracy info look bogus .... That's why not many of the photos in his book could be found on any nasa sites and the few that could be found , didn't show the anomalies he pointed out ....

I was stumped when I first started reading the book because some of what was written sounded very logical and scientific , while some of the other things sounded ridiculous .... Then when no one could find any proof of this guys existance and even the talk shows he was suppossed to have been on turned up as non existant also , I looked at his 'hoax evidence' more carefully and found it to be very lacking on all levels , to say the least .... After reading 'Dark Moon' by David Percy and Mary Bennett , it became even more clear that Hawkins book is major disinformation and nonsense ..

Here's the clavius link about Hawkins .... ( Good grief ... I never thought I would be linking anyone to that horrible web site ! )

http://www.clavius.org/bibhawkins.html


This is from Straydogs post earlier in the thread:

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How did I know his disertation is brilliant ? .... Because I read it .



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Sorry postbaguk , but I'm backing Charlie's and Billy's and Ralphie's and Davy's and Jimmy's and Barty's and my horse .... I've never had any reason to doubt that Apollo was a monumental hoax ... And think after I read Charlie's awesome looking book , I will have even more reason not to doubt it ...  


I think the horse you backed has stumbled a bit...

This happens on both sides of the coin although I see it more from the CT side of things. Scientific minded folk have more of a tendancy to analyze things to a deeper level, and are generally familiar with the scientific process, something that gives at least some ability to look at a matter impartially. In this case it appears that just by making similar claims there is enough there to give support to this "brilliant" scientist. This kind of research is all too typical in many of the CT arguments; stories that have a bit of truth(misunderstood or not) get grabbed onto like a lifeline without following up with research that attempts to look at the matter objectively.

It is a mistake to look at a bit of information and accept it as gospel because it supports your claim and makes some kind of sense; that goes for both sides of the argument... This just happens to be one of the greatest example I have seen in some time.

Too many people on both sides of the spectrum have fallen into this mentality that a full one half of the country are the enemy for having different beliefs...in a country based on freedom of expression. It is this infighting that allows the focus to be taken away from "we the people" being able to watch, and have control over government corruption and ineptitude that is running rampant in our leadership.

People should be working towards fixing problems, not creating them.

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Posted 11 January 2007 - 10:49 PM

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I think the horse you backed has stumbled a bit...
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Why does the old saying, "grasping at straws" come to my mind?



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Posted 12 January 2007 - 12:58 AM

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What I find rather interesting is that I posted the link to that Clavius page in my very first post here in this thread!

Oh, I see that now Mr. Hawkins is being called a "NASA stooge" (as opposed to one of the world's greatest scientists). Amazing, absolutely amazing.




Well,

At least I was never a "NASA stooge" (I think...correct me if I'm wrong in that regard   hmm.gif )!  I should write Jay and Phil and tell them that straydog called them "stooges", and that he only ever called me a "disinformation specialist", but he called them "stooges"!  grin2.gif


Of course, Jay would probably go look at things in depth and inform me that straydog called me insulting and rude on multiple occasions, and tell me that that that's worse than being called a "stooge"....


I suppose I couldn't argue with him!   crying.gif

I've never referred to Clavius or BA here once, I think, in all of my posts, yet somehow, stray equated me with these stooges often!  
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I will say this:

Straydog lasted alot longer, and tried alot harder than any of the other now-departed members who attempted to claim a moon-hoax (S3th, kilter...a different class altogether).  I am assuming he made the mistake of heading over to another forum and bad-mouthing UM (I saw it, and I even got a personal bashing over there...defenseless as I was, since I am not a member over there original.gif ), and that may have resulted in his departure from UM (he says he left, but being banned generally refers to something other than a resignation...).

But I wish him well, wherever he goes.  There are likely few places left.


Quite frankly, if we had a few more people on the hoax side like turbonium here, that would be nice!

Turbo knows how to discuss, and make it fun to do so...whatever your view on the subject.  It's a talent that seems sorely lacking in many, but turbonium, as a member of the other side, has my admiration!









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Posted 14 January 2007 - 02:03 AM

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Gee, is there an echo in here?


Oops, my bad. Good call original.gif

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Posted 14 January 2007 - 03:54 PM

I believe this thread has run its course.






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