Yorgmiester on May 19 2008, 08:10 PM, said:
As for demons not existing,the fact that you can't summon one doesn't mean they don't exist.That seems rather arrogant too me.
- You asked 'how do i know',now i ask 'how do you know'?
Well I don't want to confuse anyone there. I think I take a less arrogant position on this one than you do. I don't know for certain, which is why in the past I have said that they "probably don't exist" instead of saying that they definitely don't exist. In other words that they probably definitely don't exist. However, I was wanting to match the logic you were giving, which is flawed mainly because of its absolute nature, which is why I stated that "they don't exist", being an antithesis of "they do exist". You're a Christian right? I then see your necessity in believing in demons in an absolute way.
- How do you know that those things you tried are supposed to work?
According to these certain texts, they are supposed to work. You perform the ritual correctly and it is supposed to work. They aren't very complicated events really.
- If you say you have never been able to summon a demon,then how can you know what it takes to summon one
Well, I know what it supposedly takes to summon one, based on the texts and rituals involved. The inability to do could mean a number of things, but probably that they don't exist, especially when the criteria is met (not a difficult thing to do if you read this stuff).
- Make sure that you know before accusing someone else of not knowing.
Not knowing what? How to invoke demons, angels, etc.? I know several ways.
Anyway, I have also tried to find anyone else that has evidence of demon summoning being a real phenomena. With no luck. When I go to forums, no one says much really. Crowley and some guy with him apparently once really summoned one, but then when you read more into it the event becomes suspicious. So, all in all it's quite ho-hum. I think I agree with Lovecraft a bit when he talks about how "real" grimoires are quite a letdown. He invented his own (the Necronomicon) which was supposedly a fun thing for him to do.
One more interesting thing, these medieval grimoires are quite Christian centered. You tend to invoke the names of Christ, the holy spirit, etc. for certain reasons. Protection being one of them.
Edited by sokaro, 19 May 2008 - 10:41 PM.