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#16    crystal sage

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Posted 24 January 2007 - 08:27 PM

Plants seem to operate on chemical messaging/sensing...  just like animals and sense the chemicals emmited in fear... anger...peace...

plants also appear to respond to music.... so sound waves are important...  is it all about vibration??

http://www.earthpulse.com/src/subcategory....&subcatid=6

"Playing the right tune stimulates the formation of a plant's protein. "The length of a note corresponds to the real time it takes for each amino acid to come after the next," according to Sternheimer, who studied quantum physics and mathematics at Princeton University in New Jersey.

In experiments by Sternheimer, he claims that tomatoes exposed to his melodies grew two-and-a-half times as large as those which were untreated. Some of the treated plants were sweeter in addition to being significantly larger. The musical sequences stimulated three tomato growth promoters, cytochrome C, and thaumatin (a flavoring compound). According to Sternheimer in the New Scientist, "Six molecules were being played to the tomatoes for a total of three minutes a day."

Sternheimer also claims to have stopped the mosaic virus by playing note sequences that inhibited enzymes required by the virus. This virus would have harmed the tomato plants.

The note sequences used by the inventor are very short and need only be played one time. For example, the sequence for for cytochrome C lasts just 29 seconds. According to Sternheimer, "on average, you get four amino acids played per second" in this series.

The inventor also issued a warning for those repeating his experiments. He warns to be careful with the sound sequences because they can affect people. "Don't ask a musician to play them," he says. Sternheimer indicated that one of his musicians had difficulty breathing after playing the tune for cytochrome C."

sound..chemicals... moods all have vibration.....and all seem to be detectable at some level...conscious or subconscious  maybe only at DNA level for some...who are so distracted with life and living,  that there awareness levels are desensitized....

Hence the modern push towards meditation...and to accasionally  'stop and smell the roses'...take stock....

Edited by crystal sage, 24 January 2007 - 08:39 PM.


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Posted 24 January 2007 - 08:44 PM

There is a book about it titled: The Secret Life of Plants by Peter Tompkins and Christopher Bird. I've read it many times as a kid and it's at least 25 years old cos my dad had it for ages. I highly recommend it to anyone inerested in the subject.

Edit: I remember seeing a documentary about the songs of plants. The scientists somehow managed to record the sounds plants made. Often all the plants of one area sang together. It was extraordinary and breathtaking.

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Posted 26 January 2007 - 12:57 AM

A lot of the time crystal sage, I do not agree with you, but that last post of yours is what I have been trying to tell everyone.

It's all about vibrations. higher pitch is better, to a certain extent. Noticing them in the first place is the important part.

I stopped meditating because it messed with me to much, but now I am getting back into it. I seem to have lost my skill though.

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Posted 27 January 2007 - 01:54 AM

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A lot of the time crystal sage, I do not agree with you, but that last post of yours is what I have been trying to tell everyone.

It's all about vibrations. higher pitch is better, to a certain extent. Noticing them in the first place is the important part.

I stopped meditating because it messed with me to much, but now I am getting back into it. I seem to have lost my skill though.

-Muddy

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You might think this is pretty weird.,.. but about 15 years ago... when I'd gone thru this really weird experience with plants ( it started in 1985 after a bout of the flu....could hardly move for about 6 weeks..) after further reading it was ... could have been the awakening of the Kundalini.... I ,who hadn't heard of the thing, before thought I was going crazy... blush.gif )when I could see auras around people  etc...and  do a little of this telekenises stuff of making the mind move things etc..just thru concentration... I could also hear this high pitched scream from the plants when they needed water.... it sounded similar to when you switched the old tv's off.....  

So this vibration idea...and sound waves idea therefore rang true with me too...

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Posted 29 January 2007 - 03:57 AM

http://www.learnmindpower.com/Pages/consci...ess-plants.html

http://www.newfrontier.com/2/bk1.htm

http://www.plantea.com/talk.htm

Edited by crystal sage, 29 January 2007 - 03:59 AM.


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Posted 29 January 2007 - 12:01 PM

The whole world seems to have a hum or buzz. I sense "hear" this all the time if I listen.

People have a buzz, but it's much higher pitched. It sounds like TVs with the volume all the way up, but on mute. I sense this only in deep meditation.

I was meditating one time and lost control of my body. My arms outstreched and my head looking up. Me going what in the world is going on. then my mouth says "hi god." that is when this huge surge of energy shot up my spine. At first after doing a lot of research I thought I may have awakened the kundalini. Now though I am not so sure. And if I did I definately didn't utilize it the right way lol. It just kind of happened.

That is what made me stop meditating. Now I find it hard to get to the deeper parts as fast as I used to.

Would people believe me if I said why I came to this thread in the first place? NO. I guess I will say anyway though. One time in meditation I got this feeling. I looked in the direction it came from and then started a 2 sec. "conversation" with a plant... It wasn't words... It was feeling. It only "said" one thing... It "sent" a loving feeling at me, and so I did the same to it. That day was about 2 years ago. After that I could feel different energies from different plants. I can sense it much stronger in forests and away from other people.

I think this hum to the world around me that I am sensing could be consciousness itself...

-Muddy

Edited by muddyfrog, 29 January 2007 - 12:12 PM.

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Posted 29 January 2007 - 11:45 PM

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The whole world seems to have a hum or buzz. I sense "hear" this all the time if I listen.

People have a buzz, but it's much higher pitched. It sounds like TVs with the volume all the way up, but on mute. I sense this only in deep meditation.

I was meditating one time and lost control of my body. My arms outstreched and my head looking up. Me going what in the world is going on. then my mouth says "hi god." that is when this huge surge of energy shot up my spine. At first after doing a lot of research I thought I may have awakened the kundalini. Now though I am not so sure. And if I did I definately didn't utilize it the right way lol. It just kind of happened.

That is what made me stop meditating. Now I find it hard to get to the deeper parts as fast as I used to.

Would people believe me if I said why I came to this thread in the first place? NO. I guess I will say anyway though. One time in meditation I got this feeling. I looked in the direction it came from and then started a 2 sec. "conversation" with a plant... It wasn't words... It was feeling. It only "said" one thing... It "sent" a loving feeling at me, and so I did the same to it. That day was about 2 years ago. After that I could feel different energies from different plants. I can sense it much stronger in forests and away from other people.

I think this hum to the world around me that I am sensing could be consciousness itself...

-Muddy


what you are describing feels like what others refer to as 'enlightenment'.... the soul...mind .. is momentarily freed from it's shell ( the body) I had a similar experience in 1990...when I felt myself leave my body..( astral??) and observed what I 'knew' to be my essense..soul..leave thru the top of my skull (crown chakra I learned later) like a sparkly fountain... felt release freedom... the connection to all ... including plants..( I tried  a rock...as I remember reading somewhere about Buddhists becoming 'One' with a rock or a stone...it was possible!!!).. it was like your essense ..atoms. combined with all...and that what ever you focused on..you realized that you were a part of...and you could view the world from each perspective!!!! You also deep down realized this was a spiritual moment... a lesson... a reminder... when I thought of Karma... my regrets... I was immediately found myself in a buzzing pool...of consciousnesses.. observed what they say about burdens of Karma...some minds...consciousness were all melted blended together like a sea of experiences...some where still lumpy with baggage  experiences they haven't let go of...refused to melt!!!...I could hear a voice that I knew was from a person I wanted to appologise to from many years ago... I started with my excuses... but she seemed to be able to look into my soul.. and knew I was sincere...and laughed and said that it had been OK for quite a while... the feeling of release... forgiveness was amazing!!!I could feel it melt!! I knew to that it was only me who created and held that knot in my soul
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Ever since this amazing experience I have felt a closeness ...connection to all... it changes you.. Life becomes more synchronistic...magic.... often though  laugh.gif in the normal mundane realities of life... chores... family problems... you forget a while... then.. you take a moment.mentally go back to that place.. and the smile comes  back....

Edited by crystal sage, 29 January 2007 - 11:48 PM.


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Posted 30 January 2007 - 09:13 AM

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Ever since this amazing experience I have felt a closeness ...connection to all... it changes you.. Life becomes more synchronistic...magic.... often though  laugh.gif in the normal mundane realities of life... chores... family problems... you forget a while... then.. you take a moment.mentally go back to that place.. and the smile comes  back....



That is exactly how I am. Life just gets more amazing with each passing day.  yes.gif

My life can never go back to the way it was...


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Posted 06 February 2007 - 08:12 PM

Plants and insects

Communicating chemically ....vibrationally...

http://www.edwardwillett.com/Columns/plantcommunication.htm

"Over three seasons spanning 1996 through 1998, researchers from the University of California in Davis monitored wild tobacco plants growing near sagebrush. They clipped the leaves of some of the sagebrush plants to mimic the damage caused by insects. The sagebrush plants responded with a puff of a chemical called methyl jasmonate. In response, tobacco plants downwind immediately begin boosting the level of an enzyme called PPO that makes their leaves less tasty to plant-eating insects. Within minutes of the clipping of the sagebrush, the plants' PPO levels quadrupled.

It worked, too. Tobacco plants next to the clipped sagebrush suffered sixty percent less damage from grasshoppers and caterpillars than tobacco plants next to unclipped sagebrush.

Then, last fall, scientists at Kyoto University in Japan let spider mites loose on lima-bean plants and tracked the plants' responses. They found five different defense mechanisms. First, each injured plant released a chemical that changed its flavor, making it less attractive to the mites (although I personally nd it hard to imagine anything less attractive than the taste of a lima bean to begin with).

Then the plants released other chemicals that drifted away. Other lima bean plants received the chemical and immediately begin giving off the same chemicals, making themselves less tasty and warning still more lima bean plants, before the mites even reached them.

Most amazingly, some of the released chemicals had the effect of summoning a whole new batch of mites--mites that, rather than eating lima bean plants, preferred to eat the spider mites attacking the lima bean plants.

The Japanese researchers even found that the plants could distinguish between insect damage and crushing damage. They crushed some leaves and stems and found that although the injured plants released chemicals, the surrounding plants ignored them, somehow recognizing no real danger existed. (It appears that substances in the attacking insects' saliva are required to trigger the anti-insect chemical response in the plant.)

Other examples from agriculture are also known. Corn under attack from armyworms, for instance, puts out a chemical signal that attracts a predatory wasp. The wasp lays its eggs inside the armyworm; when they hatch, the wasp larva eat the armyworm.

And a study released last week shows that this kind of signaling exists not only in agricultural situations and in labs, but in the wild--which means it is likely widespread throughout the plant kingdom.

Researchers from the Max Planck Institute for Chemical Ecology in Jena, Germany, discovered that when a species of wild tobacco plant that grows in the southwestern United States is damaged by hornworms (the larva of the hawkmoth) it releases chemicals that attract predatory insects that kill the larva."

    cool.gif Humans communicating chemically....

http://www.monell.org/chemeco.htm

Scientists have isolated the genes that encode odortypes and are investigating how the coding is accomplished. Studies are underway to explore the influence of odortypes on social interactions in animals and humans.

http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/bb/neuro/neur...eb2/Bartek.html

Department stores around the country are currently selling fragrances for men and women that supposedly contain pheromones, the mysterious chemicals responsible for intraspecies subliminal communication....
Pheromones are chemicals employed in intraspecies communication. Pheromones may be proteins, steroids, or any other chemical released by the body. The vomernasal organ (VNO) houses the chemoreceptors involved in detecting pheromones (3). The sensory system that perceives pheromones is similar in many ways to the olfactory system, particularly in that both systems transduce chemicals. Additionally, smell can be "emotionally potent" in humans (4) , and possibly other animals, just as pheromone detection could affect animals' emotional states, at least according to popular culture (5) .


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Ergo.... on some subconscious level all life communicates to each other thru chemical vibrations....

Chemical vibrations create various emotions in man... and emotions create neurochemicals... that have vibrations etc...

Man has developed speach..and other communcations skills to transmit these feelings...needs...so are often not as sensitive to the messages that the body is sending biochemically...neurochemically... yet it is all still functioning  .. in an unconscious...subconsious manner... yet we still pick this signals up at a subconsious... intuitive level ..on accasion... as gut feelings????

I therefore suggest that we also receive and communicate these signals feelings... emotions .. on some level with all life forms... including plants... insects.. and animals.... and we in turn receive info  from them... this is seen  on some levels as telepathy... like radio waves...vibrational  ..chemical communication...

Our link to all !!!!










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Posted 10 February 2007 - 06:53 AM




Aromatherapy is now a widely practised complementary medicine, using aromatic plant, flower, leaf, seed, bark and fruit essential oils to aid healing. The essential oils are usually extracted by a steam distillation process, and tend to be used either:

-- holistically, where the oils are used (often with massage) to treat emotional and physical complaints

-- clinically, used in combination with orthodox medical treatment (although this remains rare in the UK)

-- aesthetically, which accounts for perhaps the most widespread usage, where the oils are used on special burners or diffusers in the home, or added to baths


How does it work?

Aromatherapy works on our sense of smell and by absorption into the bloodstream. About 15 per cent of the air we inhale goes to the roof of the nose, where olfactory receptors transport odours straight to a part of the brain called the limbic system. This area is connected with instinct, mood and emotion, and it's thought that aromatherapy may stimulate the release of chemicals which in turn play a part in unlocking emotions (think how even the merest whiff of floor wax can zip you back to the classroom).


Essential oils enter the body by inhalation and by absorption through the skin. They affect our body system in three ways - pharmalogically, physiologically and psychologically:

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      Once inhaled, aromatic signals are sent to the part of the brain where they exert a direct effect on the mind and emotions
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      The chemical constituents of the oils are carried in the bloodstream to all areas of the body, where they react with chemistry in a way similar to drugs
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      Certain oils have an affinity with particular areas of the body and their properties have a balancing, sedating, or stimulating effect on the body system
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      Some of the oils leave our body system within hours (they are so-called top notes e.g. bergamot, neroli, lemon, orange, lemongrass, peppermint, thyme, cinnamon and clove),
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      Others leave within one to two days (which are middle notes e.g. geranium, lavender, rosewood, rosemary and marjoram) or
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      Within one week (which are base notes e.g. sandalwood, patchouli, myrrh, frankincense, cedarwood and vetiver).
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      Most are exhaled, others are eliminated in urine, faeces, and perspiration.

http://www.labofflowers.com/answersbook1.html

What are essential oils?

Essential oils are fragrant, highly concentrated, volatile extracts from plants. They are found in such varied parts of the plant as the leaves, spices, fruits, woods, roots, seeds and flowers. The flower is part of the plant's "communication," providing rich nectar, hallucinogenic colors, scents, varying textures and markings to entice specific insects to come and sample its splendors. Scent is the final step in the flower's ability to screen its callers.


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Posted 11 February 2007 - 01:37 AM

Fascinating thread.  I should have found this place sooner.

It's long been obvious that there's much more to plants than "simple"
photosynthesis.  This seems to apply to all living things and is the reason
I consider consciousness to be an inherant trait of all life.  

An oak tree and a man share about 50% of the same DNA sequences.
Why should they be so totally alien to one another?  

There is a great deal of communication taking place in the natural world
of which we are unaware.  Many animals are much more aware of such
things than we are.  I wouldn't say this makes them more conscious, just
that each type of animal lives in a different world and there are significant
individual differences even within species.

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Posted 14 February 2007 - 10:47 PM

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Water responds the same way as well...I read a book on it but I forget what it was titled. I'll look it up when I'm feeling less lazy original.gif
I don't think that the plants has as complex emotions as humans, but I do think that they record and absorb any energy around them, bad or good.




You mean homeopathy??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy





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Posted 29 March 2007 - 08:44 PM

http://www.newagebd.com/2004/dec/15/nature.html


grin2.gif  Not only are Orchids beautiful...they are smart... manipulative!!!!!


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Orchids are known to exploit an association with plants with similar flowers, and pyramidal orchids are among the most successful of these 'cheats' of the plant world. They set more seed in habitats where they associate with red-flowered plants. They also indulge in mimicry to deceive insect visitors into searching for food when in fact the cupboard is bare - a strategy that avoids expending energy on food production.
   It became clear that the hoverflies were strongly attracted to the nectarless orchid flowers. But why were the insects behaving in such a frenzied way when there were more nectar-rich flowers nearby?
   Sexual attraction?
   Could there be a sexual motive? Some orchids produce a pheromone-like substance that acts as a sex-attractant, a strategy adopted by several orchid species. This may be the cunning ploy adopted by the pyramidal orchid, whose odour was described as 'foxy' by Charles Darwin. Indeed, this fits with the observations of other scientists who have reported that male hoverflies often gather in groups when they have mating in mind and generally emerge before the females in spring. Possibly we observed the pyramidal orchids exploiting inexperienced males early in the season, before female insects emerged and offered a more attractive alternative.
   Our observations of hoverflies visiting three different species of orchids in northern Cyprus led us to suspect that hoverflies may be important pollinators of orchids.
   Pollinators of old
   Records of hoverflies visiting and pollinating British orchids date back to Charles Darwin, who recorded their pollination of heath spotted orchid Dactylorhiza maculata and common spotted orchid D. fuchsii. Hoverflies have also been recorded pollinating the common twayblade Listera ovata.
   Since hoverflies resemble bees and wasps, it's quite possible that they may pollinate several British orchids but have not been observed or correctly identified - once again proving that there are still many discoveries out there waiting to be made.
   From an original article in the May 2002 issue of BBC Wildlife Magazine - Futile attraction.

Edited by crystal sage, 29 March 2007 - 08:45 PM.


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Posted 23 May 2007 - 08:45 PM

do you think plants can think? And since they have nothing else to do ,he he, do they have telekinesis powers? do they experience boredom? just random questions.


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Posted 19 August 2007 - 10:02 PM

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do you think plants can think? And since they have nothing else to do ,he he, do they have telekinesis powers? do they experience boredom? just random questions.



Well some experiments with  plants etc show that they send out warnings to other plants...so that they can alter chemically to repell insects...etc....


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http://www.learnmindpower.com/Pages/consci...ess-plants.html

n safari several years earlier where a game ranger pointed out a species of tree that not only reacted to animals eating its leaves, but transmitted signals to other trees of the same species as well. It seems that these particular leaves were very delicate and tasty favourites of the giraffe. So whenever a family of giraffes would begin eating them, within 15 minutes the taste of the leaves would turn sour. What was so interesting, however, was that it was not only the leaves on that particular tree that turned sour, but the leaves on all the identical trees within a half-mile radius! The tree whose leaves were being eaten was able to somehow communicate with the other trees in the area and warn of impending danger.

Does this suggest that plants have consciousness?

It would appear so, and this conclusion is not so out of place considering that many cultures believe absolutely in the power of communicating with plants.


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To a growing number of biologists, the fact that plants are now known to challenge and exert power over other species is proof of a basic intellect.

"If intelligence is the capacity to acquire and apply knowledge, then, absolutely, plants are intelligent," agrees Leslie Sieburth, a biologist at the University of Utah in Salt Lake City.

For philosophers, one of the key findings is that two cuttings, or clones, taken from the same "mother plant" behave differently even when planted in identical conditions.

"We now know there's an ability of self-recognition in plants, which is highly unusual and quite extraordinary that it's actually there," says Dr. Trewavas. "But why has no one come to grips with it? Because the prevailing view of a plant, even among plant biologists, is that it's a simple organism that grows reproducibly in a flower pot."


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