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#121    Katkandoo_kw

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Posted 18 February 2007 - 07:22 PM

similar to an idea of destiny--well here's my belief--you get to make your own choices--but God (yes I realize some people don't believe in God but I do) but God gives you the choices you need to make and that everyone is here for their own purpose--no matter what purpose it is I believe that you end up the same--because thats where you are supposed to end up...ok--please dont completely shoot down my ideas

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Posted 19 February 2007 - 12:03 AM

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Posted 26 February 2007 - 03:30 AM

Evening all ...

I don't want to believe in fate, as I like to think I have some controll over whats going to happen. However, things that have happened to me in the past tell me I should believe.

It would seem fate has attempted to join me and my partner together for sometime. We met October 2004, and have been soul mates since. But we discovered some strange things that led up to us meeting. Little things. I should explain, I lived in London all my life, but moved here after meeting my current partner, around 200 miles west fo London.

We first discovered we both broke our arms in the same place, in the same year, within a week of each other, and were treated by the same doctor, who previously had, indeed been training in the hospital I was treated in a week earlier. When I was little, I sung at Wembley Conference hall. He was in the same audience, watching his brothers piano recital. We would of, envitably been on a train together later on in our lives, as he caught the same train to and from University thrice weekly, as I caught a train to and from work once a week. Other things like both being in the Eden Projects opening ceremony, and going on family holidays no less then ten minutes away from each other. We also believe he came to watch my band play at a "Battle of the Bands" in 2000.

I don't know. Maybe I'm just an old (well, at 20 I still feel incredibly old) romantic, or maybe there is more to this than what it seems.

Or maybe its all BS =o)

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Posted 26 February 2007 - 03:42 AM

I was on a bus for a fellowship camping.
We passed an area then suddenly my mind told me.
"This is where my wife gonna be"
After many years, i remembered what i've said that day.
She lived from that area.


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Posted 28 February 2007 - 04:43 PM

Yes and no.

I believe that before we come here to live, we make a "life plan". Basically, this contains non-specific, major personal events and general emotional obstacles to overcome. We coordinate that plan with others who are waiting to come and the plans of others who already have.

I do not, however, believe that our lives are mapped out exactly like an appointment book. The purpose of our lives is to experience and learn. We need to be able to freely react to all of our "life points" to do this. If everything was already predetermined, there would be nothing to learn.

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 01:17 AM

This is how I see it. It may be kind of confusing to some and hard to follow. Others may feel a light bulb kind of go on.
We have the freedom to choose in the moment so to speak, but our life can only follow one path. Therefore both sides are half-right.
Every choice you make in life is based on the consequences of that choice, your current thinking in life, your upbringing, etc.
You could not control the life you were put into i.e. your skill sets, your family, how your parents raised you.
The very first conscious choice you made in life is based off of the life you were born into (which you can't control)
The next choice you make is based off the conditions that arise as a result of that first choice.
And so on, and so on.
Each choice that you make, while you have an infinite amount of directions you can take, you will always only take the one direction
Because that is who you are.
So in the moment you have the ability to consciously choose
But in the grand scheme of things, you must choose to act a certain way, always, because you were born in such a way.
If you truly understand this concept, you will know because this notion will seem freeing as opposed to making you think life is pointless
It will make you understand that the point of life is just that, to live, and to soak up every instant of life that you are blessed with


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Posted 15 May 2012 - 07:07 AM

Dears,

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Do you believe that life is already written? I ran into a friend today who's religion is Hindu. He was telling me that he knows a Chief Priest (Astrologer) like a psychic. He told me something interesting. That he believed that there is a book about life in general. Life is already written and its in this book. So your life, my life is written in this book. What are your thoughts and views.

It seems that the person of Hindu origin may have been refering to the "Naadi palm leaf predictions".

Though iddifficult to swollow, but it is true.
A blog is available o this subject now. Also you can refer post It was written... giving live example of a friend of mine fro Air Force.

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 03:36 PM

View PostRazer, on 24 January 2007 - 12:10 PM, said:

QUOTE(GanjaGuru @ Jan 24 2007, 08:37 AM) View Post
However there are lot's of events you can controll for example what your career will be or whether or not you will have pancakes for breakfast.


Some would argue that those "choices" are just illusion and the everything from career choices, what you will have for breakfast, to altruistic behaviour are determined by ones own genetics and cumulative experiences.  Such that, any individual with that exact DNA who was exposed to those exact life circumstances would have chosen exactly the samething.  So in the end, you have no free will.

(I'm not argueing with you by the way, just putting this out there for discussion)

I remember a similar discussion somewhere else.  Someone proposed that a supercomputer which could track all variables in one's life could predict how the individual would react in any given situation; therefore free will would not exist.  I can't say that I agree with that idea.

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 04:43 PM

View PostJ. K., on 15 May 2012 - 03:36 PM, said:



I remember a similar discussion somewhere else.  Someone proposed that a supercomputer which could track all variables in one's life could predict how the individual would react in any given situation; therefore free will would not exist.  I can't say that I agree with that idea.

I can't I agree either but in a universe governed by laws free will is impossible.

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 04:56 PM

View PostSeeker79, on 15 May 2012 - 04:43 PM, said:

I can't I agree either but in a universe governed by laws free will is impossible.

Can you elaborate about what laws you mean?  I understand things like the law of gravity and such.  However, I can't conceive of a law which would, for example, determine which of my eyelashes is going to fall off into my eye at what time, and how I would rub my eye.

I understand that many of our actions are determined by the cause that occurs before, but there are so many different variables in potential reactions that I can't comprehend how those actions would not be my choice.

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 06:48 PM

View PostJ. K., on 15 May 2012 - 04:56 PM, said:



Can you elaborate about what laws you mean?  I understand things like the law of gravity and such.  However, I can't conceive of a law which would, for example, determine which of my eyelashes is going to fall off into my eye at what time, and how I would rub my eye.

I understand that many of our actions are determined by the cause that occurs before, but there are so many different variables in potential reactions that I can't comprehend how those actions would not be my choice.

Again. I believe in choice. But I often play Devils advocate to for fun or to show were the logic really leads.

In a universe governed by laws, that eyelash is falling off for any number of physical reasons. You chose to rub it a certain way because of deep and common instincts built from evolution, preferences, and it habits. All built on brain chemistry and evolution. In fact in a Newtonian universe, every single incident and choice is merely a progression of laws starting from the big bang potentially before it. There is no way the universe can be any different. Even in a quantum universe and the uncertainty principle. It's uncertain because quantum effects do not allow us to have all the information about things. If we had it, then we would see that all events were preordained. A very large game of pool...all things products of natural laws. Choice and free will are illusions built upon the lak of total knowledge and computing deficiencies.

Again ( not my universe) but defiantly a consequence of pure materialistic thought.

"I wish neither to possess, Nor to be possessed. I no longer covet paradise, more important, I no longer fear hell. The medicine for my suffering I had within me from the very beginning, but I did not take it. My ailment came from within myself, But I did not observe it until this moment. Now I see that I will never find the light.  Unless, like the candle, I am my own fuel, Consuming myself. "
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Posted 15 May 2012 - 06:56 PM

View PostWg Cdr Shashikant Oak, on 15 May 2012 - 07:07 AM, said:

Dears,



It seems that the person of Hindu origin may have been refering to the "Naadi palm leaf predictions".

Though iddifficult to swollow, but it is true.
A blog is available o this subject now. Also you can refer post It was written... giving live example of a friend of mine fro Air Force.

Oh heck, who woke him up again?

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 07:04 PM

I believe that there is a destiny set out for us, a greater purpose we can fulfill, but at the end of the day it depends on our choices whether we make it there or not. I see it like a path, it has been previously laid out for you, but it is your choice what shortcuts or detours you take. There are always multiple choices and the consequences that come with them, it's about who you choose to be.  A yin and yang of who you are.

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 08:20 PM

View PostSeeker79, on 15 May 2012 - 06:48 PM, said:

Even in a quantum universe and the uncertainty principle. It's uncertain because quantum effects do not allow us to have all the information about things. If we had it, then we would see that all events were preordained. A very large game of pool...all things products of natural laws. Choice and free will are illusions built upon the lak of total knowledge and computing deficiencies.

I do understand what you are saying, and I can agree with it to a certain extent.  However, the part that scares me is that it removes any sense of responsibility a person might have for their choices.  Making correct choices is something that I talk about with my students all the time.  If they latched onto this idea--my behavior is determined by the universe and is not under my control--I would hate to see what they would do to themselves.

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 08:46 PM

I dont believe nor not-believe in god, I'm not sure whether god exists or not. But I think that even if god or a higher entity exists, we cant know whether that entity is all-powerful if we've not testified all the power of that entity. If we can work against plans of that entity, I think it's already a testament of our will that's free from that entity's complete grasp, at least.
If god or a higher entity exists, I certainly wouldn't dismiss the possibility that we're like Tulpas to that entity where as Tulpas are just what they are to us, images we (assumably) forge from our minds that can progress to take more free will and more space in our plane.

View PostAlara, on 24 January 2007 - 06:59 PM, said:

I think we, ourselves chose the way we are to live this life and the lessons that will be presented. There is an infinite number of possible futures and we choose one by every choice we make. It's not something bad. And it doesn't mean we don't have free will.

Edit: somewhat related to what I just said---> http://www.unexplain...p;#entry1513817

This is an interesting hypothesis, but first you'd have to build something more powerful than a human brain that's capable of working on it's own, and developing on it's own initiation. But to understand how we make those "gut-decisions", how our intuition and emotions and spiritual side really work (if you believe in your spiritual side that is), to understand those sides would be a requirement for this machine to be able to predict our functionings. And remember, even if you understand what goes around in a single human being's head, the challenge adds up when you try to understand everything about interactions of two or more human beings. We are both receivers and transmitters of all kinds of vibes in our most basic sense, I believe. This is a very blind sort of belief from me, I might as well believe in god or that nuclear physics are the answer to everything, equally blind beliefs.

I've been born again 31,8,2014 approximately 21:35 local time. A moment free of clutter in the mind, emancipating myself like an escapist, allowing myself to breathe life in a stronger, less physical level... though it does resonate to physical world. It's the oomph.




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