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#1    ChristianExtremist

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Posted 28 January 2007 - 02:03 PM

http://www.world-mysteries.com/sar_1.htm  <--- overview website dealing with map.

Turkish map maker tried to combine a bunch of different maps, including some ancient ones.  In 1513  (1492 Columbus sailed, so that is a 21 years after Columbus sailed).

http://www.prep.mcneese.edu/engr/engr321/preis/pirimap3.jpg   <---big map

The map shows the eastern most part of Brazil as the most accurate, and everything radiating from that point in Brazil seems to get more and more outa wack.

http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/GRAPHIC1/PSCI/pirireis2b.gif  Real world against Piri Reis Map.


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However.  http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/mgg/image/2minrelief.html  If you take the topography of the earth, and lowered the sea level by several thousand feet, then the map starts to match up better.   (The conspiracy theorists say that bottom of the map is Antartica, which is an even bigger stretch then what I am proposing.)

A lowered sea level would expose allot more land, turning the Carribean into a sort of MEditerranean Sea, with several "Rock of Gibralter" equivalents.    http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/mgg/image/2minsur...350/45N090W.jpg

A lowered sea level can also explain that large eastbound coastline expansion, in the southern part of the Piri Reis Map.  The one the Conspiracy Theorists claim is Antartica.  Fakland Island area.  It would be one big landmass just like it shows on the map.   http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/mgg/image/2minsur...350/45S090W.jpg

A lowered sea level also would expose a bunch more islands everywhere in the Atlantic, even though the map doesn't even match half of them.  But if were dealing with many different cartographer sources, ancient and otherwise, what do you expect.

Also what is interesting is that with a lowered sea level, the easternmost part of Brazil undergoes the least change, the continental shelf is steep there, which could explain why it is the most accurate part of the map (Save the old world).

SO!  Is there any evidence the ocean sea level has been about 500-2000 meters below its present state?  Within the last, say 20,000 years.


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Posted 28 January 2007 - 02:27 PM

what you are saying that atlantis is in the south,but the geoligy does not support this,for their are no islands in the south that has all the same quality's

as the island of cape breton.

and with the counter clockwise motion of the american plate from a dectionic veiw puts it in the north atlantic than in the south atlantic.

the island i talk about was not hidden from sight on a map but hidden in mind from knowing.


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Posted 28 January 2007 - 02:27 PM

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SO!  Is there any evidence the ocean sea level has been about 500-2000 meters below its present state?  Within the last, say 20,000 years.


I don't know of any evidence but this gave me the idea of where Noah's Arc/k came from.
Theory:

There was a lower sea-level and then they suddenly rose to the current state. To the people of the time this would be a massive flood, causing coastal settlements to be washed away. As the years went by, the story grew and it ended up being entwined with current faiths. It seems like God/gods are against them and tried to kill everyone with a great flood. The Arc and noah could just have been incorparated into it, or a boat did get caught on the only island big enough to still stay above the levels.

I dunno what that sounds like but it struck me as i was reading it.  original.gif



Anyway, i think the only real way of finding out is to get to the places with radar and see if anything shows up. Other that i am unsure due to our current techlogy and mapping. We have satellites that can see things as they really are and would pick up any island. Back then they did not have such things, and maps can be drawn wrongly. hmm.gif

I like the idea though and think it is plausible. yes.gif


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Posted 28 January 2007 - 03:38 PM

maby with the story of noah you will see,at one time in the past the med -sea was alot smaller what i mean is those pillars were once one pillar and held back the atlantic ocean.

but because of detionic drift they opened up and like a great flood the ocean came in ,well noah surfed this wave to were he did and because he was the first to come into this airea of the known world  that he knew,

but there are other story's of men and boats who save humanity like in the mic-mac and his name sebanees and he was on this side of the atlantic.


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Posted 28 January 2007 - 03:53 PM

The claim that the Falkland Islands explain the extended coastline at the souther end of the map is ridiculous.  Here is a link to a map of the islands.  They are way too far north and are fairly well represented on the Piri Reis map.

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Posted 28 January 2007 - 05:51 PM

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The claim that the Falkland Islands explain the extended coastline at the souther end of the map is ridiculous.  Here is a link to a map of the islands.  They are way too far north and are fairly well represented on the Piri Reis map.

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Look at the topological map, the link I provided, the NASA one.  At the Falkan Islands there are hundreds of miles of shallow water surrounding it of depths 500 meters or more shallow.  And in actuality the Falkan Islands are not too far north, they are further south then what that old map shows.  Antartica is even way way further south.

Im not talking about Atlantis.  If Atlantis was near the America's, then they would be too far, and it would be too impractical to launch an invasion against the Greeks (per old Egyptian Priest story).

Edited by ChristianExtremist, 28 January 2007 - 05:53 PM.


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Posted 28 January 2007 - 06:29 PM

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SO!  Is there any evidence the ocean sea level has been about 500-2000 meters below its present state?  Within the last, say 20,000 years.


I have not seen any, but that would be interesting.

"During the most recent ice age (at its maximum about 20,000 years ago) the world's sea level was about 130 m lower than today, due to the large amount of sea water that had evaporated and been deposited as snow and ice in northern hemisphere glaciers. The majority of the glaciers had melted by about 10,000 years ago, but minor glacial melting has continued (with occasional reversals) throughout recorded human history. More detail about the changes in sea level for the past 140,000 years can be seen by accessing this chart."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_level


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Posted 28 January 2007 - 08:52 PM

130 meters isn't enough.


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Posted 29 January 2007 - 09:48 AM

Christian,

Here is a link to a satellite image of global topograhpy. Even a drop in sea level of up to 2000m wouldn't produce the land mass jutting out from Brazil as the map purports to display. It is more likely the map simply has a few cartographical errors (not uncommon for the time.) I have read that the non-existent land mass was a duplication of the Brazilian coast from another map but the original cartographer had got the latitudes/longitudes transposed (or Reis mistranslated them.)

As the Reis map is a confusion of up to 20 more ancient maps any errors would be carried over and possibly exaggerated.

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Posted 29 January 2007 - 11:52 AM

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I don't know of any evidence but this gave me the idea of where Noah's Arc/k came from.
Theory:

There was a lower sea-level and then they suddenly rose to the current state. To the people of the time this would be a massive flood, causing coastal settlements to be washed away. As the years went by, the story grew and it ended up being entwined with current faiths. It seems like God/gods are against them and tried to kill everyone with a great flood. The Arc and noah could just have been incorparated into it, or a boat did get caught on the only island big enough to still stay above the levels.


I have been saying this for ages too....


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Posted 29 January 2007 - 04:56 PM

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Christian,

Here is a link to a satellite image of global topograhpy. Even a drop in sea level of up to 2000m wouldn't produce the land mass jutting out from Brazil as the map purports to display. It is more likely the map simply has a few cartographical errors (not uncommon for the time.) I have read that the non-existent land mass was a duplication of the Brazilian coast from another map but the original cartographer had got the latitudes/longitudes transposed (or Reis mistranslated them.)

As the Reis map is a confusion of up to 20 more ancient maps any errors would be carried over and possibly exaggerated.



quiet unprobeably actually.... if u look at the REST of the map its pretty much picture perfect (ofcourse with some flaws) but this is one hellova mistake original.gif makes u wonder doesnt it ??? he maped Everything right than he "Mistranslates" something so major ???

as good of an excuse as Idk ... lets say he gre tiresome of drawing maps so he just wanted to finish fast ???

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View Postwhen.i.am.queen., on Jan 10 2007, 06:57 AM, said:

Here is a crazy thought

... perhaps.....not?

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Posted 29 January 2007 - 08:37 PM

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if u look at the REST of the map its pretty much picture perfect (ofcourse with some flaws)


Picture perfect but with some flaws, gotcha.


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Posted 29 January 2007 - 11:19 PM

Not that I particularly hold to his theories, but in his book 1421, Gavin Menzies suggests that 15th Cenury Chinese sailors were one of the primary sources for the map. If I recall correctly, he suggests part of the southern landmass is Antartica. Its improper position was a mistake made by cartographers who didn't account for extra speed from prevailing currents as they drew their charts. It seems slightly more reasonable than the sea rising and falling hundreds of meters or aliens helping out the Turkish navy.

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Posted 30 January 2007 - 12:24 AM

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Picture perfect but with some flaws, gotcha.


yes sir ... land masses change all the time... islands dissapear in water rasing.. some apear....

picture perfect was PERFECT PERFECT for the time of maps creation... and to say that someone who spent so much to get his hands on so many maps made an translation errorr is obsurd

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View Postwhen.i.am.queen., on Jan 10 2007, 06:57 AM, said:

Here is a crazy thought

... perhaps.....not?

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Posted 30 January 2007 - 04:47 AM

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yes sir ... land masses change all the time... islands dissapear in water rasing.. some apear....


There must have been some serious changes that science is not aware of for this map to be considered picture perfect.





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