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[marsapien]

I was doing a search on Coens and to try and find another coen for you all and all I could come up with was the Coen brothers....I realized why cause I was spelling it wrong it is actually Koans.
Here is a link to understanding the meaning of Koans of zen budhhisim for those interested.

Edited by marsapien, 26 July 2009 - 02:54 AM.

[Number Fingers]

Hey, I have another good one.

If an animal goes extinct and leaves no evidence of its existence, did it ever exist in the first place?

[trancelikestate]

if a tree falls in the woods and noone is hear to hear it. NO it does not make a sound. it makes the vibrations and waves threw the air, but with noone there to perceive those vibrations as a "sound" they aren't a sound

[Marietta]

More to the point would be: "If a tree falls in a forest and there is nobody there to hear (or see it) does the tree exist?
All of existence is created by light and sound but matter/tree is a different subject.  We exist in a  hologram which is merely a 3dimensional stage in which we have projected our consciousness to experience within.  
Science knows that all that truly exists is energy and that the only time energy takes on the forum of matter is when it is viewed/thought about.
Omni Love,Marietta

[trancelikestate]

Marietta, on Jul 29 2009, 06:15 PM, said:

More to the point would be: "If a tree falls in a forest and there is nobody there to hear (or see it) does the tree exist?
All of existence is created by light and sound but matter/tree is a different subject.  We exist in a  hologram which is merely a 3dimensional stage in which we have projected our consciousness to experience within.  
Science knows that all that truly exists is energy and that the only time energy takes on the forum of matter is when it is viewed/thought about.
Omni Love,Marietta

woe...

:|

[.i.]

Marietta, on Jul 30 2009, 12:15 AM, said:

More to the point would be: "If a tree falls in a forest and there is nobody there to hear (or see it) does the tree exist?
All of existence is created by light and sound but matter/tree is a different subject.  We exist in a  hologram which is merely a 3dimensional stage in which we have projected our consciousness to experience within.  
Science knows that all that truly exists is energy and that the only time energy takes on the forum of matter is when it is viewed/thought about.
Omni Love,Marietta

Maybe it bouth falls and doesn't. Maybe it exists in a superposition of possibilities relative to those who are not watching and then decided when observed somehow, be it with your eyes or some other kind of information.

[Rhincewind]

wow... 35 pages on the tree theory. That question has helpped me fall asleep so many times. This may have already been said but I know that If I read all of the posts I will nod off on my keyboard, but If no-one is around to hear it how can we tell if it makes a sound or not?

hope you find your answer soon.


who mentioned the quantum weather butterfly?

[cheo_vl]

see this is why i love philosophy, a question with no definite answer can ignite a 35 page long debate, here's another one, what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object? or, can god create a stone that is so heavy not even himself can lift it?

[Hugh]

cheo_vl, on Aug 5 2009, 02:57 AM, said:

here's another one, what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object?

Both cannot exist at the same time, for if there is an immovable object, then there would be no such thing as an unstoppable force and vice versa.

cheo_vl, on Aug 5 2009, 02:57 AM, said:

or, can god create a stone that is so heavy not even himself can lift it?

Also known as the Omnipotence Paradox, for which possible answers are found here:

http://en.wikipedia....potence_paradox

Enjoy.

[cheo_vl]

Hugh, on Aug 5 2009, 04:10 AM, said:

Both cannot exist at the same time, for if there is an immovable object, then there would be no such thing as an unstoppable force and vice versa.

Also known as the Omnipotence Paradox, for which possible answers are found here:

http://en.wikipedia....potence_paradox

Enjoy.

touché

[Byza]

Reality is perception. If sound is not perceived, sound is not a reality.

[The Word of Thoth]

There is no tree.....

without the act of observing the tree could fall or could not, could make a sound or could not... it is only when an object or energy is observed that it takes on solid form and does one thing or another. Without the observer there to witness the fall of the tree there simply is no tree.... and therefore no sound.

[The Word of Thoth]

Marietta, on 29 July 2009 - 11:15 PM, said:

More to the point would be: "If a tree falls in a forest and there is nobody there to hear (or see it) does the tree exist?
All of existence is created by light and sound but matter/tree is a different subject.  We exist in a  hologram which is merely a 3dimensional stage in which we have projected our consciousness to experience within.  
Science knows that all that truly exists is energy and that the only time energy takes on the forum of matter is when it is viewed/thought about.
Omni Love,Marietta

Absolutley spot on Marietta!!!!

[Zeteo]

The Word of Thoth, on 24 August 2010 - 10:31 AM, said:

Absolutley spot on Marietta!!!!

shhhhhhhhhhhh
the angels are singing can you hear them ?

[greggK]

Marietta, on 29 July 2009 - 11:15 PM, said:

More to the point would be: "If a tree falls in a forest and there is nobody there to hear (or see it) does the tree exist?
All of existence is created by light and sound but matter/tree is a different subject.  We exist in a  hologram which is merely a 3dimensional stage in which we have projected our consciousness to experience within.  
Science knows that all that truly exists is energy and that the only time energy takes on the forum of matter is when it is viewed/thought about.
Omni Love,Marietta

Marietta,

While it is true that we exist in a 3-D world, it is also true that we live in a separate dimension.  We are the 4th Dimension.  Do you think that we are the only creatures that can create?  Seems to me that any other creature that uses a tree for anything can create a tree.  Birds created trees for shelter and for food.  Every other creature started praising bird and gave bird the most lofty position because trees served all creatures.  All creatures learned how to make trees, but after awhile there were so many trees that they gave up the creation of trees and lived in them and got their food from them.  Along came the thief and the trees started disappearing.  Some fell here, some fell there, and the food was disappearing, and there was less shelter in this 3 dimensional world.  Where was it going?  The 4th dimension.  How do you feel when you see a ghost?  How would you feel if a group of ghosts started coming around you and all your buddies started disappearing?  Run, Run! But where?  All the shelter is gone!
If a tree falls in a forest and noone is around to hear it, does it still make a sound?  Probably not.