[Qoais]

Never too old to learn something new eh?

[Swede]

Qoais, on 02 November 2009 - 11:59 PM, said:

Never too old to learn something new eh?

I can assure you that I personally learn new things every single day. It is the willingness to learn that is the operative.

[TheSearcher]

Qoais, on 03 November 2009 - 05:59 AM, said:

Never too old to learn something new eh?

Well, if me granny is any indication, then no, you're never to old to learn. she's 85 years old and bought her first PC 2 years ago. Never even touched a computer before that. OK, explaining how stuff works might take a bit, but once she gets the hang of it, she's ok.

[Lucifer84]

Harte, on 02 November 2009 - 09:44 PM, said:

Don't mind if I do.


And what you need to think about is the fact that Sitchin has never, ever demonstrated the ability to translate either Sumerian, Akkadian, or any other language written in cuneiform. This, despite being challenged on more than one occasion to do exactly that.

Spend some time at Sacred Texts looking at actual sacred texts!

There you will find the Enuma Elish, the source of most of Sitchin's claims regarding his version of VonDaniken's ancient astronaut theory.

Try the above. See if you can find what Sitchin claims. You won't.

Also note please that the Enuma Elish is Babylonian mythos, while Sitchin tries to tie it to Sumer.

Please, as Swede usually says, consult a timeline here Mr. Sitchin.


So, you link us to a site that is full of "crazy talk" and tell us to ignore the crazy talk?

Come on! How about a site not full of "crazy talk."

There is no such thing as a missing link. No such thing.

Every species is a transitional species. Every single species.

And anyway, even if such a concept existed, the establishment of a "link" between ancient ape-like creatures and ourselves would (and has) simply been seen as the creation of two new "gaps" for which we are also "missing" the "links."



Why do you think it's not far-fetched?

I know the answer to this, BTW. It is because people need to see humans as something special and different from other animals. We don't want to admit what we are. And now, since so many have lost faith in the old religions that used to provide this sort of thing, more and more are leaning toward our creation by aliens. That helps people feel like they are something more than the animals that we actually are.

But, let's demonstrate the "far-fetchedness," okay?

First off, I assume you're okay with me simply dismissing what Sitchin claims about Niburu (which, by the way, is not some unknown planet in some elliptical orbit - not to the Sumerians anyway.) If you believe that Niburu is some as yet undiscovered planet that rips through our solar system every 3600 years as Sitchin claims, then I'm wasting my breath (well, okay, my fingertips LOL) as there is just so much wrong with that idea that I shouldn't have to explain (use the search function if that's the case.)

Now, are you aware that there are upwards of 200 billion to 400 billion stars in our galaxy? Let us assume the lesser number. Now, given that these Annunaki must have come from another star in our galaxy, let's assume that they have some kind of warp drive technology that allows them to do so in very short order (relatively speaking, pun intended.) In fact, let's assume that they can get to any other star in the galaxy instantaneously. I mean, why not? If we're gonna assume high tech, let's not hold back, right?

Now, with 200 billion stars in the galaxy, at an instantaneous rate of travel, the Annunaki would still have to stop at each star for a little while to check out the planets if they were going to find us, wouldn't you say? So, lets give them, what, does 10 minutes at each star sound good? That's not long, but we are positing extremely advanced technology, aren't we? So 10 minutes should be long enough for any self-respecting Annunaki worth his salt to investigate an entire solar system.

Okay, so that's 200 billion stars at 10 minutes per star. That comes to 2 trillion minutes. How long is that?
Well, 2 trillion minutes is 33.33 billion hours, which is around 1.4 billion days, or about 3.8 million years.

Think of it. 3.8 million years to investigate every star system in the galaxy for 10 minutes each. So, how long did it take to find us? One fourth of that time, One tenth? And don't think that they couold have followed our radio signals. You knowe, we didn't make radio waves back then! (Also, the entire idea is a fallacy - we send absolutely no signals out that are detectable even a tiny portion of a light year away - signals do attenuate, you know.)
So, if they could travel instantly, and they only took ten minutes to completely scan an entire solar system, if they had to go through even a tenth of the galaxy to find us, that would still represent 380,000 years of searching. And, at that, they would have had to have arrived on Earth while our anscestors were here, which is like hitting a flea with a rock using a sling from a mile away.

Reasonably far-fetched, I'd say.

Note, I didn't say "impossible."

Nope. Far more likely that there weren't any Nephilim and there weren't any giants. And there is absolutely no question whatsoever that the Earth was never destroyed in any global flood.


What has been "hidden" is really not hidden at all. You just haven't learned it.

Much of Judaism was lifted in toto from Babylon during the Jewish captivity there. And, of course, even before that most of the religion was rooted in Sumer. Abraham himself was from the Sumerian city of Ur, though the Sumerians were long gone by then and the city was at that time Chaldean.

So you see, there are very, very good reasons that there are "similarities" that "fit together."


You act like it's an either-or situation.

So, if that's your take, what about Zeus? What about Thor? Both them dudes can throw lightning around too, just like Yahweh!

Please. Surely you realize that a myth is a myth is a myth, don't you?

And now we are back to this. SO, read the Enuma Elish. Let me know when you confirm what Sitchin claims. And don't forget - he can't read cuneiform any better than you can.

Harte

Loving it, give me time to go over your links

And no i didn’t link you to crazy talk but a lot of these theories have a lot excess info. Just having a quick look, no i am not saying i believe every myth, just believe that they will have origins and maybe are not actually that far from the truth.

PS I know I am not as intellectual as some guys & girls on here but i think you may have give me what I needed on this so thanks for that but don’t be thinking I’m the type to climb the highest sky scraper on 21/12/2012 holding peace signs to the sky!! I don’t fall for everything i just seem to have connected with this one.

Will get back to you ASAP Harte, nice1

[danydandan]

KennyB, on 03 November 2009 - 03:48 AM, said:

Qoais, I hope Danydandan watches your videos. Without ever reading one of his books, he formed an opinion against Sitchin based on what the 'Elite' of the forum preach. That's exactly what they accuse me of doing with the theory of evolution. They recommend all kinds of books and tell me I won't understand their theory until I have an education (proper brainwashing), on the subject. That's a common failing with people, forming an opinion based only on someone else's opinion. KennyB

Never said i have.nt read his books
I have read 2 and could,nt read no-more, i bet thats more than you have read o his work

[Harte]

Qoais, on 02 November 2009 - 07:14 PM, said:

This little clip is Enki talking about the wind of radiation blowing over the land after they set off a couple of nukes.

http://www.youtube.c...feature=related

Qoais,

I can't view youtube.

See if you can find this at Sacred-texts.com or elsewhere.

Otherwise, I'm gonna have to dismiss it as utter rubbish. After all, it's not actually Enki on the video, is it?

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Do YOU feel that way? Would you give up your house, your bed, your car and all the trappings of civilization and go live in a pig sty? I'm giving you pig sty because pigs at least are clean and crap in one place. Other animals crap wherever they're standing. So - if you won't give up the niceties, I'd say you're no different from the rest of us who wouldn't give it up either, so don't sit here and tell people they're insecure or that they have a NEED to be better than animals because they have a desire to know their roots.

If I were a pig, it wouldn't bother me at all. Please note, a pig sty is a human construction. Do you believe that, if you built a pig sty in the Texas wilderness, that the wild boars in the area would come and live in it?

You know very little about animals, apparently. Regarding the trappings of life we surround ourselves with, you should check out the bowerbird or the packrat.

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Tell me which animal in the animal kingdom is it, other than humans, that is searching for it's roots? Which one is developing the cure for cancer? Which one is sending the next expedition to mars?

I didn't say that other animals were as intelligent as we are, but reading your posts has caused me to consider the possibility.

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Get a grip. Man is superior to other animals - period. If we weren't, we'd be wiped out by now because according to evolution we are of a most unsatisfactory build for almost everything.

The above is a perfect example of what I said in my previous post regarding the need of humans to believe they are "special."

Harte

[Agent. Mulder]

Qoais, on 03 November 2009 - 04:01 AM, said:

I hope that damn Occam's razor falls in the toilet and gets short circuited. I'm tired of hearing about it.

Hi KennyB - I know what you mean! Do as I say, not as I do

even when both are wrong?

[Agent. Mulder]

Lucifer84, on 03 November 2009 - 08:46 AM, said:

Loving it, give me time to go over your links

And no i didn’t link you to crazy talk but a lot of these theories have a lot excess info. Just having a quick look, no i am not saying i believe every myth, just believe that they will have origins and maybe are not actually that far from the truth.

PS I know I am not as intellectual as some guys & girls on here but i think you may have give me what I needed on this so thanks for that but don’t be thinking I’m the type to climb the highest sky scraper on 21/12/2012 holding peace signs to the sky!! I don’t fall for everything i just seem to have connected with this one.

Will get back to you ASAP Harte, nice1

almost every myth is fantasy. theyre just stories that a culture can ALL relate to and fit into their society. thats how they work. if people dont like or relate to the story, they dont pass on the myth to their younger generations.
theyre used an explanation for things, and in a way desribing how a culture functions, and they describe themselves this way in their myths, almost subconciously because they may not realize it. so stating you think they may have origins not far from truth is incorrect. im sure youve heard plenty of myths that sound rediculous.

[jaylemurph]

Harte, on 03 November 2009 - 09:30 AM, said:

The above is a perfect example of what I said in my previous post regarding the need of humans to believe they are "special."

Harte

Be careful, Harte. That way lies cladking and his opinion that human undergraduates aren't quite as bright as chimpanzees.

--Jaylemurph

[KennyB]

Dany, I read all of them on that site I sent you. He may have written others I don't know about. It's not the easiest reading in the world. It's kind of like reading the Old Testament. Endless wars, plagues, famines, etc. KennyB

[Emma_Acid]

Qoais, on 03 November 2009 - 04:01 AM, said:

I hope that damn Occam's razor falls in the toilet and gets short circuited. I'm tired of hearing about it.

Annoyed by logic just because it doesn't agree with you. Funny that.

[the awakening]

sitchens translations are debatable.....HOwever if you just use your common sense it kinda makes sense.

basic facts:
1- most religions, knowledge of astronomy, agriculture, writing...etc evolved from sumeria.

2- the gods they witness were called annunaki which simply meant those from heaven to earth came.

3- the sumerians had no understanding of what plane or what a jet propulsion engine was so when they looked into the sky and saw a flying bright light making engine like noises they have no references to identify it as a craft/ship but instead a god. Anything the pagan world couldnt comprehend was godly, like lighting, the sun...etc.

4-Look at the gap in our evolution (the missing link) how do you explain such a radical change in such a short time?

5-Arent we way ahead of our time? why is it that isolated tribes like those found in the amazons of brazil, who never seen a modern society still are no where as developed as we are?

just using some basic logic .....i think u can conclude something strange is going on. m not saying sitchen is completely right.....but not saying he should be ignored either.

[Ikki]

the awakening, on 03 November 2009 - 05:25 PM, said:

1- most religions, knowledge of astronomy, agriculture, writing...etc evolved from sumeria.

Religions: Of the largest current ones, yes, most have their origins in Mesopotamia. It's more due to chance and circumstances, however, that these became the most widespread.

Astronomy: In the Old World, there's probably some truth to that. However, that's ignoring the amazing achievements of the Pre-Columbian Maya whose knowledge of orbits were on par with, if not superior in some ways, to that of the contempary Old World.

Agriculture: Again, this developed individually in several places besides the Fertile Crescent. Going back to the American continents, we see it emerge as early as 6,000 BC in the Andes and somewhere in the Archaic period (8000 - 1000 BC) in Central America; in both cases on a small scale, but it definitely shows up.

Writing: Again, see Mesoamerica. And for that matter -- Rapa Nui, better known as Easter Island. A very unique case of independant development of writing right there.

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2- the gods they witness were called annunaki which simply meant those from heaven to earth came.

Here are two actual translations of the term Anunnaki, coming from scholars: 'those of royal blood' or 'princely offspring'. See wiki link for sources.

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3- the sumerians had no understanding of what plane or what a jet propulsion engine was so when they looked into the sky and saw a flying bright light making engine like noises they have no references to identify it as a craft/ship but instead a god. Anything the pagan world couldnt comprehend was godly, like lighting, the sun...etc.

There's probably some truth in this, but it gives no further credit to the notion of regular visits from outer space.

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4-Look at the gap in our evolution (the missing link) how do you explain such a radical change in such a short time?

All fossils are transitional forms. The term 'missing link' is outdated and only used by creationists. Also, what radical change is it that evolution can't explain? I'm far from an expert on evolutionary history, but I'm unaware of any miraculous leaps in the record.

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5-Arent we way ahead of our time? why is it that isolated tribes like those found in the amazons of brazil, who never seen a modern society still are no where as developed as we are?

Technological advancement in human societies are passed on through teaching; for a people to grow to our current level of advancement independantly -- which would, at this point, be virtually impossible without coming into contact with already developed civilizations -- they would need as much time as we had, in a location with the proper conditions.. I would keep in mind that the Amazon is far from such an ideal place to become sedimentary; you would need more open, less hostile land, with richer soil and probably an entirely different rain schedule. Consider also that, where they are, many tribal societies are very well adapted to their environment.

This post has been edited by Ikki: 03 November 2009 - 06:07 PM

[cormac mac airt]

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1- most religions, knowledge of astronomy, agriculture, writing...etc evolved from sumeria.

Wrong. Ancient Egyptian society didn’t evolve from Sumeria. Neither did the Indus Valley Civilization. Nor sites like Skara Brae, Scotland; Ain Mallaha, Israel; Ais Yiorkis, Cyprus; Alby, Sweden; Amsa-dong, Korea or even Beifudi, China. Just to name a few.

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2- the gods they witness were called annunaki which simply meant those from heaven to earth came.

The Electronic Text Corpus of Sumerian Literature (ETCSL)

Care to show me where Annunaki is either Sumerian or means “those from heaven to earth came”. Bet you won’t find it. The Anuna were not sky gods but gods of the earth and underworld, IIRC.

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3- the sumerians had no understanding of what plane or what a jet propulsion engine was so when they looked into the sky and saw a flying bright light making engine like noises they have no references to identify it as a craft/ship but instead a god. Anything the pagan world couldnt comprehend was godly, like lighting, the sun...etc.

The Sumerians didn’t understand planes or jet propulsion as they didn’t exist yet. “It sounded like” to a 21st century person is NOT the same as “It must have been”. Sorry, no evidence.

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4-Look at the gap in our evolution (the missing link) how do you explain such a radical change in such a short time?

There is no missing link.

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5-Arent we way ahead of our time?

No. We are where we are because of our own accomplishments.

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I’m not saying sitchen is completely right.....but not saying he should be ignored either.

I’m saying it. There is no evidence he knows what the hell he’s talking about. But he writes a good story. There is a difference.

cormac

[mcrom901]

KennyB, on 03 November 2009 - 03:48 AM, said:

Qoais, I hope Danydandan watches your videos. Without ever reading one of his books, he formed an opinion against Sitchin based on what the 'Elite' of the forum preach. That's exactly what they accuse me of doing with the theory of evolution. They recommend all kinds of books and tell me I won't understand their theory until I have an education (proper brainwashing), on the subject. That's a common failing with people, forming an opinion based only on someone else's opinion. KennyB

talking of recommendations.... here is something i'm sure will interest you....

An Analysis of the Recently Leaked Sumerian Tablets Concerning Our Origins