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#1    blueboy

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Posted 04 April 2007 - 05:04 PM

Lets face it, Macro- evolution is a load of hogwash. There's no mechanism that can be recognised for an organism to want to shift from it's comfortable 'self' into something it probably doesn't want to be. Now Micro-evolution, what a fantastic concept; allow your creations to flow with the tide, as long as the improvements are beneficial. As for the weakest, allow intelect to evolve(in the micro sense of course)so it can have an exiting existence looking at ways to improve and put right those who are weak.
We're all too frightened to ackowledge it, but I think it's about time we grew up and realised Darwin should have stayed on his Beagle and invented another theory. Give it a few years and unlike the geological strata, links will be made making Macro evolution the Norse god of yesteryear. Brilliant concept , but totally flawed. If you get in touch Richard, I'm not a creationist, in the derogatory sense you'll no doubt put it, but just some one who thinks evolution is todays opium for the masses, limiting their total existence to three score and ten. I don't personally know whats what, but if my mrs had a genetic mutation Im sure I wouldn't want to share it with her,(even if I could)


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Posted 04 April 2007 - 09:15 PM

Oh my gosh you have totally convinced me !  and without any evidence or alternate theory........... truly amazing.













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Posted 05 April 2007 - 07:20 AM

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Oh my gosh you have totally convinced me !  and without any evidence or alternate theory........... truly amazing.


Blueboy-- The pleasure was all mine. Nice to see you can recognise, like me, that you have been fed a load of garbage for the last few decades or so, gosh, you are clever. P.S.- Pray tell me, do the geological layers show the transformation of species  then. It must do, judging from your 'well informed' acidic reply'. By the way, old prince Charlie might come out with the odd 'gosh' but he is, like evolution, a product of the imagination, and not real. Please don't patronise the English, very few go around saying 'gosh.'
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Posted 05 April 2007 - 11:02 AM

Gosh, I do. tongue.gif

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There's no mechanism that can be recognised for an organism to want to shift from it's comfortable 'self' into something it probably doesn't want to be.


So what does microevolution do?


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Posted 05 April 2007 - 12:09 PM

Why, if Evolution is wrong, are we here then?

You can't just say a theory is wrong without providing evidence of an alternative.

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Posted 05 April 2007 - 04:18 PM

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Blueboy-- The pleasure was all mine. Nice to see you can recognise, like me, that you have been fed a load of garbage for the last few decades or so, gosh, you are clever. P.S.- Pray tell me, do the geological layers show the transformation of species  then. It must do, judging from your 'well informed' acidic reply'. By the way, old prince Charlie might come out with the odd 'gosh' but he is, like evolution, a product of the imagination, and not real. Please don't patronise the English, very few go around saying 'gosh.'
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It's called Fossil Succession, and to my knowledge has never been upturned or found to be invalid.

In a nutshell, it states that as you go backward through the geologic layers (and time), the fossils contained in those layers become simpler in form and the younger more complex forms dissappear from the record.

http://pubs.usgs.gov/gip/fossils/succession.html

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[By the 1830s, fossil succession had been studied to an increasing degree, such that the broad history of life on Earth was well understood, regardless of the debate over the names applied to portions of it, and where exactly to make the divisions. All paleontologists recognized unmistakable trends in morphology through time in the succession of fossil organisms. This observation led to attempts to explain the fossil succession by various mechanisms. Perhaps the best known example is Darwin's theory of evolution by natural selection. Note that chronologically, fossil succession was well and independently established long before Darwin's evolutionary theory was proposed in 1859. Fossil succession and the geologic time scale are constrained by the observed order of the stratigraphy -- basically geometry -- not by evolutionary theory.1


http://www.leeric.lsu.edu/bgbb/1/fos_measuring.html

Edited by Shaftsbury, 05 April 2007 - 04:19 PM.

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Posted 05 April 2007 - 05:45 PM

So if macro evolution doesnt happen what allows for new species to come about on earth? You do realize all macro evolution is, is micro evolution in a longer period of time right?

And the only thing you will get to see in your lifetime is more and more and more evidence of evolution.




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Posted 05 April 2007 - 07:28 PM

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Gosh, I do. tongue.gif
So what does microevolution do?


blueboy--micro, isn't evolving, (ultimately into another form, unlike the macro 'gosh' miracle) it's adjusting through the  intrinsic homeostatic necessity of the cells and organs to adjust, according to nutritional input and the extrinsic environment. Darwin's tortoise didn't become longer necked on one island because of an inner urge to develop into another creature,(maybe a coincidence seeing that he was a tortoise many millions of years ago)his need for nutrition kicked off the intrinsic system. to build more elasticated cells (collegen) in the neck. You might think that two micros make a macro, but the changes are micro in order to preserve the species as it is, albeit with a little touch here and a little touch there. Just I suppose, like your crocodiles and the good old celeocanth, ( bless that hand forming creature) Don't tell me they peaked because they had found their perfect environment. Over hundreds of millions of years, even these gold standards must have suffered from a little bit of wind.



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Posted 05 April 2007 - 08:03 PM

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Why, if Evolution is wrong, are we here then?

You can't just say a theory is wrong without providing evidence of an alternative.


Evolution is a religion, just like the other religions of the world. whereas the others need faith to believe in them, evolution needs just that little bit more, and the ability to stand being  slapped around the head by the latest 'fact' every five minutes, only to find 'on reflection' many moons later, that maybe, just maybe, there may be a flaw in that particular theory. (when the excitement has died down of course) I can't show you an alternative to your theory (don't forget its only a theory) but I can bet that even Mr Dawkins has experienced, like most of us, a moment or an episode when he had to stop and wonder 'what was that? and inside klnowing it wasn't of this earth or time. I think that the answer is not meant to be found. And that just adds to the spice of life.



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Posted 05 April 2007 - 08:13 PM

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blueboy--micro, isn't evolving, (ultimately into another form, unlike the macro 'gosh' miracle) it's adjusting through the  intrinsic homeostatic necessity of the cells and organs to adjust, according to nutritional input and the extrinsic environment. Darwin's tortoise didn't become longer necked on one island because of an inner urge to develop into another creature,(maybe a coincidence seeing that he was a tortoise many millions of years ago)his need for nutrition kicked off the intrinsic system. to build more elasticated cells (collegen) in the neck. You might think that two micros make a macro, but the changes are micro in order to preserve the species as it is, albeit with a little touch here and a little touch there. Just I suppose, like your crocodiles and the good old celeocanth, ( bless that hand forming creature) Don't tell me they peaked because they had found their perfect environment. Over hundreds of millions of years, even these gold standards must have suffered from a little bit of wind.


So if you have one species, that becomes physically seperated in to two different groups, and they both microevolve to suit their own, now different needs, how can they possibly both remain the same species?


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Posted 05 April 2007 - 08:56 PM

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So if you have one species, that becomes physically seperated in to two different groups, and they both microevolve to suit their own, now different needs, how can they possibly both remain the same species?


heh thats the beauty of evolution they cant remain the same species, this blue boy is throwing in big words thinking he knows what hes talking about with no evidence to back up his claims, hes just trying to get a rise out of us...

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Posted 05 April 2007 - 08:59 PM

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Evolution is a religion, just like the other religions of the world. whereas the others need faith to believe in them, evolution needs just that little bit more, and the ability to stand being  slapped around the head by the latest 'fact' every five minutes, only to find 'on reflection' many moons later, that maybe, just maybe, there may be a flaw in that particular theory. (when the excitement has died down of course) I can't show you an alternative to your theory (don't forget its only a theory) but I can bet that even Mr Dawkins has experienced, like most of us, a moment or an episode when he had to stop and wonder 'what was that? and inside klnowing it wasn't of this earth or time. I think that the answer is not meant to be found. And that just adds to the spice of life.


how an can evolution be a religion?  its a scientific fact proven over and over again
go to the Spirituality vs Skepticism forum this has been argued about over and over again, you will see all the evidence that stacks up on side of evolution.  thumbsup.gif



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Posted 05 April 2007 - 09:23 PM

Weird, i think i agree with Blueboy actually, micro evolution makes sense...well it fits in with some stuff i've read, you know Desmond Morris, the Naked Ape Richard Dawkin, the selfish gene etc.  

Blueboy, is what you mean basically that our evolution is based on change through our gradual adaptation to our environments? for the purpose of survival.

If this is the case then thats what i thought evolution was anyway laugh.gif , and if it wasnt, then i totally disagree with the "usual" evolution theories because evolution in terms of adaptation to environment makes perfect sense to me! yes.gif

I dont know if i am grasping this discussion properly, but thats how i view it blush.gif

What did Darwin mean by "inner urge" as you put it Blueboy?  How do you know he was not simply refering to the same thing as you except with an older language?  huh.gif

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Posted 06 April 2007 - 12:00 AM

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I think that the answer is not meant to be found.


Thats your view, and if you think a god created us why would it give us such powerful brains capable of great feats of logic and critical thinking? Of course, you havent given a single shred of evidence against Evolution, which, if you open your eyes, you'll find there is mountains of evidence for, and you accuse evolution of being a religion itself?

You're free to believe whatever you want but if you're going to argue about it provide good evidence.

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Posted 06 April 2007 - 01:08 AM

I think the single most profound example of macro and micro evolution is the Hyiod bone.

While it is very useful today in practicaly every animal species, as that it provides an ancor for the base of the tongue, it is a reminent of when organisms were forming in the warm seas some billions of years ago.  It's just never left us.

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