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#46    Hocus

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Posted 15 August 2009 - 08:13 PM

View PostSwede, on Aug 15 2009, 09:11 PM, said:

I've already done it. Three years ago I presented some new (and anomalous) findings at a major conference. This set off a press fire-storm that went national (actually international), including radio, T.V. and print. Even Nat'l Geo. got in on it (Gotta watch those guys. I had to make them correct the interview twice before they got the story straight). While the information has generated healthy scientific debate, in no way was there an attempted cover-up. Nor is there any mechanism in place for such a plot. Your speculations are groundless.

My job was not threatened. In fact, in the long run, it stimulated career progress.

(Oh, and ongoing research, to be published within the next year, has significantly fortified the initial information. Numerous early skeptics of the data are now "coming around").

So what was it you found, and just exactly how anomalous was the find?


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Posted 15 August 2009 - 08:13 PM

View PostHocus, on Aug 15 2009, 10:08 PM, said:

Not doubting that these things happened, but again, i ask you whom did they model their mishapen skulls on?

And I ask YOU: why do people all over the world tattoo their bodies?


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Posted 15 August 2009 - 08:15 PM

View PostHocus, on Aug 15 2009, 08:55 PM, said:

I stated i'm talking about Darwinism being taught in schools as fact, when it's only theory. I'm not lying, i was taught it myself at school and college.

So the Klerksdorp spheres were what? Planted there? There not as old as the sediment in which they were found?
Yeah and the comment indicates you have no clue what a scientific theory is.
Scientific order of relevance
fact<hypothesis<law<theory.

Theories are the top end of science. They always stay theories, they never become anything else. You simply are not distinguishing between the colloquial use of the term theory and the scientific theory. Gravity is just a theory too you. So is partial theory, germ theory, cell theory, atomic theory, quantum theory and many, many more.
Theory is the pinnacle in science.


Sorry but the statement is an extremely ignorant one
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Educate yourself.

The Klerksdorp spheres are considered natural not man made.
The wiki site links to the related articles and shows why the claims made are baseless.

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Posted 15 August 2009 - 08:19 PM

View PostAbramelin, on Aug 15 2009, 02:38 PM, said:

Why? When I am drunk, I am at the same level of many of those gullible people who post here.

But even then I have my thoughts about many things. I understand them a bit better, but I still don't believe them.


Heck, I was just worried you'd end up with a mess of sticky keys!

And to be honest, do you think you can drink enough to reach the level of some? Chuckle!


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Posted 15 August 2009 - 08:21 PM

People all over the world have been changing their bodies: piercing, scarring, tattooing, deforming their heads, sharpening their teeth, dying their hair and/or faces, painting their nails, and so on, and so on, enlarging their boobs, plastic surgery.

We don't need gods to get inspired, we are just a vain lot.


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Posted 15 August 2009 - 08:26 PM

View PostSwede, on Aug 15 2009, 10:19 PM, said:

Heck, I was just worried you'd end up with a mess of sticky keys!

And to be honest, do you think you can drink enough to reach the level of some? Chuckle!


No, for that I will need some magic shrooms.


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Posted 15 August 2009 - 08:34 PM

View PostMattshark, on Aug 15 2009, 09:15 PM, said:

Yeah and the comment indicates you have no clue what a scientific theory is.
Scientific order of relevance
fact<hypothesis<law<theory.

Theories are the top end of science. They always stay theories, they never become anything else. You simply are not distinguishing between the colloquial use of the term theory and the scientific theory. Gravity is just a theory too you. So is partial theory, germ theory, cell theory, atomic theory, quantum theory and many, many more.
Theory is the pinnacle in science.


Sorry but the statement is an extremely ignorant one
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Educate yourself.

The Klerksdorp spheres are considered natural not man made.
The wiki site links to the related articles and shows why the claims made are baseless.


Sorry for not being the scientist you are, Mattshark.
I never claimed i was, and all this talk of being ignorant. It's good coming from someone who thinks or has to think for the sake of modern science, that the klerksdorp spheres are natural. They are not natural, that's clear to any unbiast mind, and that's definitely not your mind. Here comes the sciene filter i spoke of, they must be natural, they must! Because if these are man made, which they clearly are, they blow nearly everything we claim we know about human history and Earth's history right out of the water.

The filter at work.

I suppose the Underwater ruins of a pyramid off the coast of Japan are also made by nature?  :lol:

What a joke.


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Posted 15 August 2009 - 08:44 PM

View PostHocus, on Aug 15 2009, 08:34 PM, said:

Sorry for not being the scientist you are, Mattshark.
I never claimed i was, and all this talk of being ignorant. It's good coming from someone who thinks or has to think for the sake of modern science, that the klerksdorp spheres are natural. They are not natural, that's clear to any unbiast mind, and that's definitely not your mind. Here comes the sciene filter i spoke of, they must be natural, they must! Because if these are man made, which they clearly are, they blow nearly everything we claim we know about human history and Earth's history right out of the water.

The filter at work.

I suppose the Underwater ruins of a pyramid off the coast of Japan are also made by nature?  :lol:

What a joke.
More like "science can show how things like these are able to form naturally and how they are a fairly common occurence, so there's no need to invoke man-made-ness."

I'm curious what your background is since you're able to say with such confidence that nature can not make things like these?

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Posted 15 August 2009 - 08:51 PM

View PostHocus, on Aug 15 2009, 03:13 PM, said:

So what was it you found, and just exactly how anomalous was the find?

Without going into great detail..... First, you need to understand a bit about this particular science. An object, by itself, is often of little research value. It is the provenience and association of the artifact that allows one to derive valid inferences. This is the problem with much fringe history. Artifacts that have not been formally excavated are presented without location,stratigraphy, associated cultural components, etc. This then allows for rampant erroneous speculation. Numerous authors besides Cremo have made a career of disseminating this spurious information.

In the case of our work, the artifacts were of lithic nature. Interesting, but it was the provenience that was the issue. It would appear that the site predates known human presence in the region by some 3,000 yrs., occurs in an area previously thought (by some) uninhabitable during the time period in question, and could be one of the oldest sites in North America. Trust me, that can stir some kettles!

Edited by Swede, 15 August 2009 - 08:57 PM.


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Posted 15 August 2009 - 09:02 PM

View PostHocus, on Aug 15 2009, 10:34 PM, said:

I suppose the Underwater ruins of a pyramid off the coast of Japan are also made by nature? :lol:

What a joke.

No, they are very possible natural formations reshaped by man, but not as old as previously thought; just like a 2000 years or something.


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Posted 15 August 2009 - 09:04 PM

i cannot believe the amount of ludicrous stuff i am hearing...

View PostHocus, on Aug 15 2009, 09:33 AM, said:

Just because the photograph i used was from Crystalinks, does that mean i have to agree with the theories given by them? That's all they are... theories.

Not to mention the capacity of the skull and many others like it have a BIGGER capacity than a human skull, you can bash and mishape your head as much as you wish, but you can't change the capacity. That's a fact. And the capacity of these such skulls were over twice that for a human skull. That's also a fact. So either this skull goes against an obvious scientific fact or...... it didn't belong to a human being.

a large skull means nothing no brain capacity, look at dinosaur skulls, we human's only use about 13 (or 7, idk i think its one of the two) percent, PERCENT, of our entire brain capacity, its not how large the CAPACITY is, its how well u can use the amount of "brain" u have. Monkeys do not have large brains yet they can use tools and work in groups.


View PostHocus, on Aug 15 2009, 09:50 AM, said:

Are you actually serious?

I'm sure college professors don't scheme about what to tell us behind close doors, that's already been decided. Most of the time they will be none the wiser that what they are teaching is heavily edited or a total fabrication. I never said they were the ones who scheme. As for this scientifc cover-up, i'm not saying all scientists and ayone in the field is part of it, in fact many are oblivious to it, but there are those who are part of it, some don't report anomalous objects and artifacts and keep them to themselves, because they know full well if they do it will be the last artifact they document, as they'll know longer be in a job. This is a fact, has happen multiple times. Read the book "Forbidden Archaeology" by Michael Cremo. There are case documented in that book.
Though there is a blatant scientific filter that exists and still goes on to this very day, if an object doesn't fit right in with the so called accpeted hypothesis of history, it's violently rejected. This is also a fact.

Don't see the argument here Jayle, to be honest.

Can you show me some proof that those examples i posted up are a hoax? Shouldn't be hard, if there such a well known hoax, like is claimed.

i am in school, and before they teach evolution they constantly tell us that this is nothing but a theory, to take it as fact OR theory is nothing but your choice, they also tell us that fact is nothing rlly, becuase we can never be sure of what we know, such as the theory of gravity, but the theory of evolution and darwinism, is nothing but theory and strictly theory, u r biased for taking this as being taught as fact

View PostHocus, on Aug 15 2009, 11:50 AM, said:

No, not really big brains, just the natural space for really big brains. Bigger than human brains, in fact twice the capacity of a human skull.
If it was only a deformed skull with some abnormalities then why do we not hear about in text books or in any lessons and lectures? Why when you mention it to the so called experts, do they call it a hoax or tell you, you must be mistaken? Why do they refuse to examined them properly? Might it be that they're afraid of what the results might spell?
Never fear though....just turn on the filter. :innocent:

As far as i'm aware, there have been attempts to get them tested, but proper testing has been refused many times? WHY? Apparently the skulls are so clearly a hoax, there not worth testing. Ha, yeah right... if they were so sure it was a hoax they would have them tested long ago to make us look like fools and mainly to clear up the whole mystery, but instead they refuse to. Hmmmmm, i smell a certain filter.




Speaking for why the Africans did it, i'm not sure, but that explanation sounds feasible. Though the Egyptians did it because that's what the Sun God's looked like, and these Sun God's were intelligent and wise. And so the egyptians wanted to be like these Sun gods and hence bashed their skull into the shapes seen on certain skeletons and in certain wall carvings. Though my theory is that there's a common link somewhere, that goes way back in time, between all the skull mishaping from different cultures and religons
Who were these Sun God's? They certainly weren't human... that's for sure.
And i doubt they were making it up... it's totally absurd saying they just made it up, that that's the filter at work again, just because modern science is at a loss to explain it, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

again, large capacity or room for brain means nothing for how well u use the brain

View PostHocus, on Aug 15 2009, 12:01 PM, said:

Jaylemurph, i'm not saying that you are involved or ever have been or even knows someone who has been. And i'm not saying that everything taught in a history college class are all total lies. The facts get twisted, manipulated and erased at a much higher level before it even reaches you guys. So, like i said, for the most part know one suspects a thing... why should they?
Why is Darwins theory of evolution taught in schools as fact, it's not a fact it's a theory. There's something seriously wrong with that straight away.

There clearly is a filter and people have lost jobs over making anomalous artifacts public knowledge. These are both facts.

Ok, that's fair enough..Cremo's a liar. Everyones entitled to their own opinions. Could you tell me how Cremo's a liar or prove to me how Cremo's a liar?

Or is he just a liar because what he believes is radically different to what you believe?


ok, cremo is largely shown by ALOT of people and well known scientists as not credible......, and again evolution is taught as theory not fact


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Posted 15 August 2009 - 09:08 PM

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a large skull means nothing no brain capacity, look at dinosaur skulls, we human's only use about 13 (or 7, idk i think its one of the two) percent, PERCENT, of our entire brain capacity

I am getting really tired of repeating this, but this is false. People use only that amount of their brain capacity AT THE SAME TIME, ok?

Of we used all of our brains at the same time , we would experience an epileptic fit.


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Posted 15 August 2009 - 09:14 PM

View PostHocus, on Aug 15 2009, 03:34 PM, said:

I suppose the Underwater ruins of a pyramid off the coast of Japan are also made by nature?  :lol:

What a joke.

Well, given that they are formed by nature, yea?  You've got a long row to hoe.

Edited by KRS-One, 15 August 2009 - 09:14 PM.


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Posted 15 August 2009 - 09:14 PM

o haha shulda looked up the 10 percent theory thing first haha  :o  my badddd


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Posted 15 August 2009 - 09:48 PM

View PostHocus, on Aug 15 2009, 09:34 PM, said:

Sorry for not being the scientist you are, Mattshark.
I never claimed i was, and all this talk of being ignorant. It's good coming from someone who thinks or has to think for the sake of modern science, that the klerksdorp spheres are natural. They are not natural, that's clear to any unbiast mind, and that's definitely not your mind. Here comes the sciene filter i spoke of, they must be natural, they must! Because if these are man made, which they clearly are, they blow nearly everything we claim we know about human history and Earth's history right out of the water.

The filter at work.

I suppose the Underwater ruins of a pyramid off the coast of Japan are also made by nature?  :lol:

What a joke.
There is no filter, the people who this research work for universities. But you are just not willing learn how it works. I'm do work in science and guess what, I have no one telling me what to put in and not put in my results, no one from any government is involved in data collection (which happens world wide) you are simply offering a baseless CT after you have displayed your general ignorance to the whole field.

Have you even read any scientific papers? Looked at journals (which are not government run).

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