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#31    gonzowalker

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Posted 26 March 2004 - 08:12 AM

Peacelover, try looking for Sammy in North Pole, Alaska. That is probably the town you want.

Hope it helps.

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Posted 06 April 2004 - 03:58 PM

Dear Blue Scorpion:

Thanks for writing.

Is there a reason why I should look at the North Pole, Alaska?  Is this a joke?  Or are you being sarcastic?  

Since my last post, I have spoken with some people whom have helped me to find Sammy.  I now know where she lives.  I have not spoken to her yet.  I have purposefully chosen not to speak with her because as I have said before I do not know what she thinks or believes about her father's death.  It is my understanding that Sammy is married now.  She lives in Illinois with her husband and her three children.  I do not wish to interrupt her life at this point with questions about her Father.  

At some point in the near future, I will speak with her.  If only to say hello and see how she is doing.  If she brings up her Father, I will listen and try to determine what she understands about her Father.  

I am told that Sammy believes that her Father died that same Monday night in June of 1990 and he simply was not found for two months.  

Hope this helps Blue Scorpion.

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Posted 06 April 2004 - 06:24 PM

Dear Blue Scorpion:

I don't know if I answered all of your quesitons.  

List of people that knew Pete(my Pete):
1.  Tammy M.:  Former babysitter to Sammy.
2.  Tammy's husband:  He worked with Pete at Bell Ready Mix in Junction.
3.  Regina M.:  Knew Pete from when he arrived in Junction.  She was a friend to Pete and believed that he had been in Viet Nam.  She still believes this to be true today.  Regina and her partner Neil were among our many friends in Junction, when Pete and I were a couple.  
4.  Neil:  Regina's partner.  A bit of a crazy character himself.  He was the jokester of our group.  
5.  Dave W.:  Another member of our group.  Dave was a hard worker.  He worked hard and like to play equally.  
6.  Tammy and Todd Piper:  Now divorced.  Both were part of our group.  They also believed that Pete had been in Viet Nam.  
7.  Keith M.:  Also knew Pete from when he arrived.  Also believed that Pete had been to Viet Nam.  Keith went back to school and is now a computer programmer working for a large company in Kansas.  I do not see him much anymore.  He spends a lot of time traveling all over the world.  

Junction is a small town.  A place where everyone know everyone.  Everyone in town believed that Pete was from Michigan and had served in Viet Nam.  

Myself, Tammy M. and her husband and Pete's former partner Vicki are the only people that know the real history of Pete.  Everyone else believes that after Viet Nam and after Pete's stint there that he went to Canada and lived for a while before hitchhiking and eventually ending up in Junction.  (The latter of course is the story that Pete told everyone, including myself before I found out the truth.)

My son, myself and my daughter saw Pete last the last weekend in August of 1990.  We had gone to "Sand Run" a favorite swimming hole.  It was there that we saw Pete and there that my son spoke briefly to Pete.  My son asked Pete if he wanted to come home, Pete had simply nodded no and said "not yet".  This was the last time that my son spoke to Pete.  It was not the last time that any of us have seen Pete.  

The second Pete is the Pete ..........., that was in the Army.  The second Pete had served in Viet Nam.  The second Pete was in the Green Beret and worked in intelligence while in Viet Nam.   There is/was a second Pete ........... .  It was this man that was in the military.  My Pete had been mistakenly recognized by another Viet Nam vet living in Junction.  Pete had never corrected the story.  This is how everyone in Junction came to know my Pete.  They all believed that he had been in Viet Nam.  

I have no other information on the 'second Pete' than what I have shared with you.  I am sure that this information could be looked up with the military.  I have never tried to look up this information.  I wouldn't know where to begin to do this.  

I still receive the phone calls.  Sometimes the voice tells me not to go up the hill, sometimes the voice tells me where I have been that day and sometimes the voice on the phone tells me what I am wearing.  So, I know that at different times I have been watched.  I don't know by who.  I am not the only one receiving the calls.  My parents have received the same calls.  Since my Father died, my Mother tells me that she has not received the calls.  However, when my Mother travels and I stay at her home to care for her animals and her home, I receive the calls at her home.  

Over the years of searching for answers about Pete and what happened to him, I have had many theories.  The one that I have now, I believe the most plausible.  

Theory:  Pete came from a comfortable background.  His parents had money and Pete enjoyed the comforts his parents could provide.  
For some reason Pete was insecure and felt that he needed to embellish the truth with his friends.  I think that Pete's inability to be wholly truthfull began when he was young.  As the years passed and Pete's insecurities grew, I think he told one too many lies.  I think that his family and friends became weary of his lies.  I understand that about this time he became estranged from his sister.  I think he then became estranged from his family as a whole.  I now believe that although he may have had the love of his family and their support financially, that no one knew how to help Pete.  
I think somewhere around Pete's third year at the University of Michigan, that he had an epiphany.  
Pete traveled to Junction, Iowa with a college friend.  (The friend had family that lived in the area and Pete went along for the ride.)  I now believe that while in Junction, Pete found that people were willing to accept him.  They accepted Pete for who he was and what he told them.  
After returning to Michigan, I think Pete packed his bags and returned to Junction because he was looking to be accepted.  
Once in Junction he paired up with Vicki whom he had met on his previous trip to Junction.  
From there the story was told of Pete being in Viet Nam.  Pete had found his home.  
Twelve years later, I believe that the story began to un-ravel.  I believe that Pete was discovering that people in Junction were beginning to ask questions of Pete that he could not answer.  People were beginning to find out the truth.  I think Pete became afraid that people would find out that he had never been in Viet Nam.  From there, nothing he ever said would be believed again.  
So, Pete came up with one more story.  He developed a story that people were looking for him, that he needed money and that he was supposed to give this money to the people that were looking for him.  

I think that Pete disappeared that Monday night in June of 1990 to save himself from being found out.  

My only problems with my theory are that this theory does not answer the questions as to who was the body in the car.  

I believe that Pete had arranged to disappear by concotting his story of people looking for him and needing money.  I think Pete took the money to disappear.  Maybe Pete loaned the car he had borrowed to another person and it was that person in the car not Pete.  As luck would have it Pete could not have come up with a better way to disappear than to have people think he was dead.  

Now he is free.  He could be living anywhere under any name.  There is no one to dispute any stories he might create.  His parents are dead.  His daughter thinks he is dead and he knows that even if his sister thought he were alive that she probably would not look for him.  

Because Pete has been determined as dead, his daughter received social security benefits.  Her mother saved the benefits for her.  I am told this is how Sammy paid for her college education.  

For whatever his reasons Pete chose to disappear.  I believe that it is he who is calling from time to time.  He would know my number and that of my parents.  I think from time to time that Pete has been around to see me, but not let himself be known.  

Blue Scorpion, I hope this helps you.

Good luck with your mid term exams.  I remember how exhausting all the studying can be.  

Thanks again
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Posted 09 April 2004 - 07:34 AM

Peacelover,

Thankyou for the details.

Another possible explanation is that he is working for a secret government agency.  (I think I said this before)  If he is still able to speak to you and see you than it obviously shows that he is in no immediate threat of "assisination".

Have you asked your telephone company to find out if they are aware of any anonymous phone tapping within your phone lines?

Pete told your son that he is not ready to go home yet, right?  Which must means you will most likely see him sooner or later.  However, once you do see him, I'm sure there will be some secrets still hidden, if this secret government agency did select Pete as one of their agents.
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I'll be reply later on with a more formal answer or possible explanation, until I have organized all known information that you've given.  Until then, stay optimistic, I'm sure you'll be seeing him soon.  original.gif

Good luck and remember, he may be sending you some "signs".  thumbsup.gif  

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Posted 09 April 2004 - 07:53 AM

quote peacelover -
"I have been told that Sammy joined the
military and lives in Alaska.  I have also been told that Sammy lives in
Antartic, Arkansas.  When I tried to check into the latter, I found that there
is not an"Antartic, Arkansas".  

I wasn't trying to be funny. I just thought whoever told you that might have gotten their locations crossed (Antarctic/North Pole). There is such a place called North Pole, Alaska.

North Pole link

There is also an Army base and a Airforce base near there.









Edited by gonzowalker, 09 April 2004 - 08:17 AM.

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Posted 24 May 2004 - 12:24 AM

Dear Gonzowalker:

In answer to your posting.  I now where Sammy lives.  It is not at the North Pole.  In fact Sammy is located nearby.  I will not be giving her address, so as to protect her name and self provacy.  

Knowing where Sammy lives, still does not answer the questions of Where is Pete?, and who was in the car?  I suppose some mysteries are meant ot remain mysteries.  

On another matter.  Does anyone know how I might make it possible for my computer to display what I am typing?  I am typing away here and can not read what it is that I am typing.  If this message is jarbled, it is due to my lack of vision.  Help, help, help.

Thanks everyone

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Posted 24 May 2004 - 03:46 AM

Peacelover,

  I don't know why you're experiencing the problem you are trying to post, but an alternate solution for you would be to open up your notebook on your computer, type your message in that and then copy and paste the entire text into the message box when you want to reply.

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Posted 24 May 2004 - 04:12 AM

Hi Peacelover,

You can visit Sammy with just cause you're a good friend, askign how she is doing and so, not to tell her what's you have been experiencing and what's you're suspecting, since you wish to let her be with her memories. But for what you say about her reactions to her father's death, I think she knows something people don't know. By the way you're telling it, she is close with her father, so can't be dancing at her father's memorial service, if she knows it's not him or so.

As for Pete, I think, he is some sort of secret agent and he is working on some top secret stuff for the government. He couldn't be in a witness protection since for all I know this includes his whole immediate family as well. He won't be leaving his daughter alone, since she would be an easy target to get him out of hiding. But why so much trouble into erasing his past and connections.

But then again, phone tapping and you being under serveillence. That doesn't make sense and that doesn't fit. If anybody is to be under that much scrutiny to anybody, shouldn't it be his daughter, not you? I mean doing it for 13 years, that must be really tough on the income for who is putting you under serveillence. Unless it's Pete trying to keep you safe by putting on some guard for your whole family. But, then again, how come his daughter isn't under this much protection, if it's him. Don't you think so? But then again, you're searching for the truth and somebody is trying to not get you know it.

I think you should bring someone with you to the hill. I think he was telling you to meet him there  wink2.gif

This reminds me of that MIB Movie where they erase the agents existance.

That's my two cents.

Edited by bluefenix211, 24 May 2004 - 04:20 AM.


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Posted 24 May 2004 - 06:45 AM

Peacelover, Sorry of course for your loss and lack of info thus far. You have obviously been to the verge and back, I commend you on your strength!

I was curious if you have investigated any possible links Pete may have had to other countries? Any out of country vacation or any seemingly remote physical link to any other country?

You mentioned the mafia connection, could the people that you are recieving Pete's death info from and other specific data, be under the influence of said mafia figures? Whether it be implied physical harm or monetary rewards for compliance to secrecy?

How trust worthy are Pete's parents?

The money he was collecting isn't odd until you say he left it. Collecting money would be indicative of someone afraid to use the bank because of the paper trail.
If the money was indeed intended to fund a plane ticket then the fact it was left is indicative of a third person arriving on the scene to help him out. Or the money was intended for you.

What about medical history, any frequent trips to the doctor, or medication?

Scars, tattoos?





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Posted 24 May 2004 - 07:09 AM

Also the phone calls......the recordings seem indicative of someone obviously worried about being located. If he was out of the country he may record the words and send them to someone else to call you and play the recording, you must find that third person. Or 'Pete' is utilizing a timing system of some kind and is in fact in the area.

You can get a list of all phone activity from your line from the phone company.

The fact that you can't seem to hide from it or put it behind you is because of these constant reminders phone calls, appearances, vehicle. this would,then seem like 'Pete' doesn't want you to forget but show resolve.

The lack of info or elaboration could be for your safety as well...."Don't go up the hill" would mean don't search the scene or accident area......why?....because you want it to look like you are no threat to those behind it(if there is a 'they') where as you  stop investigating, you will be safer. The fact that there is constant abstract contact with him may imply that he intends to return.

The daughter definetly may have information, in fact the key to the mystery may be of her knowledge.

The three men that were standing over 'Pete" , was 'Pete" beat up at that point?
Is there any chance 'Pete" may be stealing cars as to pay off some debt, or a mafia guy forces him to steal cars or the mafia guy will hurt you or your family?

Could Pete have just really enjoyed the life style of a car thief? Could he have returned to the lifestyle by choice and didn't want you to be exposed to that life? The fact that he leaves reminders for you seems that maybe he wants his cake and eat it too.

Ever thought of a private investigator? Some investigators do it because they love the riddle and the mystery , considering the obvious emotional factors an investigator may work pro-bono for you.

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Posted 26 May 2004 - 09:31 AM

I just want you to clear up some things that sound like holes in your story.  I;m not saying your story isn't true, but it may just be the way you are describing it.

First, didn't you say that Pete never used a bank or didn't have a bank account, yet you say he was collecting money "even though he had money in the bank".  Is "money in the bank" just being used as an expression?  

You say you find it odd he was collecting money and then left his own wallet behind.  How do you know the money in his wallet is the same as the money he was collecting?  

Also, how did the man who mistook him for the Green Beret mistake nhis identity if the two Petes look so different?  Was it that Pete introduced himself and the guy remembered the name?  Even so, wouldn't Pete telling him he was mistaken clear it up considering they didn't look at all alike?

These are just some things that didn't sound right or logical to me.  Again, I'm not saying you aren't telling the truth, maybe you just aren't explaining it clearly.  

Maybe Pete was in the military and he joined a secret orgainization afterwards and they altered his military records.  Obviously he wouldn't be able to tell you this as it would blow his cover.  Also, such a secret organization, if in actual existence and being able to alter military records, would be able to scrounge up a body that matched their altered military records.  

It seemed he told two different versions of his past to you and Tammy, which is not something i would expect of an undercover agent.  I would expect a real cover to have been worked out to the last detail and be consistent to everyone around him.  

I don't know, a lot of this doesn't make sense to me.  Somehow it doesn't mesh together.  However, if it truly is happening, that may be the point.  To make it so incongruous that it would be impossible to solve the mystery and you would sound crazy/disturbed if you told it to anyone.

I'm keeping an open mind on this one even though it doesn't make much sense to me.  I'm sorry for your looss and i;m sorry i can't be of any help.  It does seem to be one heck of a conundrum and i hope you are able to find resolution one day.




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Posted 27 May 2004 - 07:25 PM

Well Seen this post and figured it was worthy of my first reply =)...

Now from what I have put together in all of your posts leads me to this conclusion..
Pete was in Vietnam/Pete was recognized by someone in your town as being this man named pete in vietnam. (this leads me to believe that Pete had to be in Vietnam).. My Dad Was in the Special Forces in Vietnam for 14 years. Highly Decorated Silver star, Bronze Star, Korea's Version of the Medal of Honor, etc.. Why i have this conclusion is that our Highly Trained soldiers Green Berets/Special Forces/Navy Seals/ Go into the Combat Field in groups of 8-12.. This is 8-12 Men that you are intrusting your life to day in and day out for years at a time..  
Personally I dont see A man that was in an elitest group of our armed forces, mistaking someone Whom is 6 ft 7 inches tall by the same name as someone who served in his unit..

Now my Father was In charge of his special forces unit for 7 of his years in Vietnam.  Now these people are VERY secretive. Ive asked my father about alot of his experiences in vietnam from being in an elitest unit. Even to this day, he will not talk about most things he had done.. He has informed me of places that We went in Vietnam that the US Government wouldnt admit to..  

Sorry Dont really know where Im going with this post except for the fact that, A man from an elitest group of the army is not going to confuse someone whom is 6 ft 7 inches tall, with another elitest apparently from the same group as him, whom was in the same unit.. Not possible.. Another thing Ill go ahead and do, is Call my father and ask him if he knew a Pete in the Army whom was 6 ft 7 inches tall... Having Trained Special Forces Units for years, I would think him to remember a certain person almost 7ft tall, on the side of the world where most people are 5 ft tall....

Now there are certain things that you can do to find out what is going on as far as whom is stalking you... First thing I would do, Is buy Some sort of Compact Electrical Unit With Global Positioning Satalites on it... IE: Cellphone, Mapquest program etc... Wait until the vehicle in which you think is stalking you is infront of your location, and drop the GPS On it.. Now if this is a cellphone What you will wanna do is call your local police department and report that you had a break in, your cell phone was stolen, you have GPS On the phone.. They Will be able to trace/File Charges/ Federal Building its parking at?

Also From my personal experience of being on the street for a while, And doing things i shouldnt have been doing, I learned how to spot certain things with government vehicles... First thing is, FBI/ Government Actions Remind me Exactly of what they are like on TV.. Look for Chevy Corsicas, Luminas, Ford Econoline Vans, Ford Contours, Grand Marquis, and Chevy Suburbans. These are the majority of the vehicles I ever seen Undercover Agents using.. Now The easiest to spot are the Vans.. What you Will usually Look for is A Van With some Kind of Company Logo on the Side of it that you havent heard of before.. What you wanna do is simply go up to the vehicle license plate and see if it says "Exempt".. If so, that is a Government vehicle..  Lots of times These Vans they use are purchased at City Auctions, so the Registration and all that good stuff is Expired on vehicles etc.. And usually new companies dont let their guys drive around with expired tags on vehicles.  Also Watch for a Vehicle in your area that does not move.. Usually these are vehicles that just showed up one day, and are left in the same spot for months at a time..  Inspect these vehicles for any thing that could be a camera.. Ive seen them in Headlights, Licenseplates, Grills, and Near the Tires of vehicles.
Also If an Agents Cover is blown, They are removed from the case. IE: Your a drug dealer and spot an agent watching your house, That agent Will get pulled from case and replaced with a new one. So I dont believe Pete has anything to do with the government because these guys really dont make too many mistakes.

Hell I dunno if any of this info will help you out.. But hopefully so.. Just use your judgement to decide what is going on..


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Posted 03 June 2004 - 12:46 PM

Have you considered talking to or even hiring a private investigator? The only problem I see, is since he has gone to such great lengths to to hide his identity, looking for him may actually put his life in danger. I realy do hope you find, or get to talk to him. No matter what happened in the past, he owes you an explination.  

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Posted 03 June 2004 - 05:28 PM

Hmm.. interesting case, here's something similiar that just showed up in a local paper: http://198.107.45.79/story.php?story=5144

So far people aren't getting strange phone calls, but it appears as if they've just picked up and left to start a new life. Despite having seeminly prefect lives already.


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Posted 23 June 2004 - 04:25 AM

Dear Site Members:

Thank you for your thoughts and your interest.

I have been gone for a short period.  This is the first chance I have had to read some of your posts regarding Pete.  I will try and answer what I can.  

Someone asked the question as to the monies that Pete had collected and his bank account after I had apparently stated that Pete did not have an account.  I have looked back in my story of Pete and I do not find where it is that I have stated that Pete did not have a bank account.  In any case, this was once a truth.  During the time that Pete and I were together, I had encouraged him to open a bank account rather than to carry his money with him.  Pete himself had told me that he had done this.  This is where my knowledge of him having an account and wondering why he had collected monies when I knew he had money in the bank came from.  

Please understand that in addition to Pete's strange disappearance, I am also dealing with finding out over the years that Pete had not been wholly truthful with me on many occasions.  One example is his Father.  Pete had told me that his Father had worked for the Ford Motor Company for some 30 years before retiring and opening his own company which also worked with the Ford Motor Company in Detroit, Michigan.  Later after Pete's disappearance I discovered that Pete's Father had actually been a rather prominent judge in Michigan.  It was Pete's Father whom had come to Pete's rescue when he had gotten in trouble with authorities due to belonging to a car theft ring.  The other youth members of this group had faced punishment while Pete was free from any punishment, save that of his family.  It was after this incident that Pete went to live with his Father and his Father sent Pete to a private school, so as not to meet with the other youths at his former school.  

What I can tell you I know to be the truth is that Pete went missing the first week of June in 1990.  A body found in a car in a deep revine off Isley Hill was identified as Pete in August of that same summer.  Pete had no dental records.  Pete never served in any branch of service in the military and the friend that claimed to have identified Pete admitted to me that he had never seen the body and had never seen photographs that were said to have been taken at the scene.  I myself, have asked to view the photographs and have been denied by authorities.  When I pressed for factual information I was told that authorities had believed the body to be Pete based on the fact that the car was the car that Pete had borrowed from a friend after having crashed his own, three weeks prior.  

What I can also tell you that I know to be the truth is that one week after Pete's memorial my children and I saw Pete.  We were standing directly in front of him when we all realized what we were looking at.  Pete ran.  We saw Pete again at Sand Run a local watering hole in Wapello.  Pete was sitting in a boat.  I saw Pete again ten years later in my hometown in a local grocery store.  This time Pete did not see me, but I was too late to catch up to him.  

If you asked me today some 14 years later, do I know Pete?  I don't know anymore.  What I know is that I met a man that I grew to love and appreciate.  I do believe that he loved me as well.  I was prepared to make a life with this man because I felt he was a good man, a decent man and someone I could grow to feel stronger about through the years.  Although I knew of the lie that people believed in Junction. (that of Pete having been in Viet Nam.) And I knew it at the time that I had come to love Pete, somehow in my mind I almost agreed with Pete.  It was clearly a mistake that this man had made originally and by the time Pete tried to correct it, everyone in Junction believed him to be a vet.  Pete felt trapped and grew to believe that correcting a mistake that had been the truth for twelve years (by the time, I met Pete) did not seem to help anyone.  

Now, I look at Pete's life and I wonder what the truths are.  Who was he really?  
Is it possible that he really was in the military?  I don't think so, but I still have to wonder.  I also wonder to this day, that if the body in that car was not Pete, then who was it?  

If Pete were to knock on my door today, I think I would probably be very angry.  I would immediately ask, "what happened?"  I know I would feel a sense of relief.  Relief that he is alive and relief that the mystery is finally over.  Then I would call Sammy.  But what would I tell her?  How could I tell her?  

What to do from here?  I suppose wait and see.  I don't guess that I will ever find the answers.  I hope that I do, if for nothing else but some type of closure.  Closure would be nice.  

Thanks for your help.
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