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#16    War-Junkie

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Posted 11 June 2007 - 09:08 PM

Mannnnn I wana pet chimp too


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Posted 11 June 2007 - 09:41 PM

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He always wore kids clothes and loved baseball...he could throw "not too good" but he would throw the ball back in a game of catch...and he would grin when he caught it....and laugh....just like a kid... thumbsup.gif


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Posted 10 April 2012 - 06:35 AM

Chimpanzees are just as intelligent as humans. The white man believed that the black man was non-human and unintelligent for centuries; we're just now realizing that chimpanzees are just another species of human. Just a hairier, stronger species of human. They are our brother race; and we need to realize it.


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Posted 21 April 2012 - 01:47 PM

Whenever I read news about how one animal or another is up the intelliectual ladder than another, I feel sick.
We as human beings, because we can, we do.

Which means we claim dominance and power over other life forces on the the understanding that we are more intelligent and therefore somehow further up some ethereal ladder than them and this gives us not only the power to dominate them, but that we somehow have the moral right and duty to do so in the furthering of our own importance and well-being.

Hence, the use of animals in drug tests, in farming, in any cause we feel furthers our life-expectancy.

If being intelligent is all life is about, I opt out.
I'd rather be a slug than a human-being.
At least I can exist without hurting, causing pain, demoralising, or degrading other life-forms.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 02:46 PM

View PostBulldog1974, on 11 June 2007 - 08:10 PM, said:

<!--quoteo(post=1717509:date=Jun 10 2007, 04:56 PM:name=Eric Raven The Skeptic)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Eric Raven The Skeptic @ Jun 10 2007, 04:56 PM) View Post</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->So they understand it without being taught. Wow. Humans even need help with that.

Also, are you having many conversations with the monkeys. No. I thought not.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Conversations? Ya, everyday..... <img src="http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wacko.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wacko:" border="0" alt="wacko.gif" />

No, I had a neighbor who had one, and it was just like a human child to a point...watched everything you did and tried to mimic it. They can learn on their own...

Many humans unconsciously use several hand signs during a conversation, but that is not the same as 'sign language'.

Human 'sign language' is an invented way to express letters and parts of words with your fingers/hands.

All the rest of those signs are nothing else but 'body language'. Think about a smile: every human on the planet understands that. But have you ever seen the respons of a dog when people near it all start laughing out loud? He will start barking and get all agressive, Why? Because when we laugh, we show our teeth.

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Hmm.. it appears I am necroposting now. Say, Arbitran, why do you keep digging up ancient threads??

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Edited by Abramelin, 25 April 2012 - 02:48 PM.


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Posted 29 April 2012 - 10:24 PM

View PostMistydawn, on 21 April 2012 - 01:47 PM, said:

Whenever I read news about how one animal or another is up the intelliectual ladder than another, I feel sick.
We as human beings, because we can, we do.

Which means we claim dominance and power over other life forces on the the understanding that we are more intelligent and therefore somehow further up some ethereal ladder than them and this gives us not only the power to dominate them, but that we somehow have the moral right and duty to do so in the furthering of our own importance and well-being.

Hence, the use of animals in drug tests, in farming, in any cause we feel furthers our life-expectancy.

If being intelligent is all life is about, I opt out.
I'd rather be a slug than a human-being.
At least I can exist without hurting, causing pain, demoralising, or degrading other life-forms.

All life lives off other life.  In the lower animal world, rights are unheard of, so they kill and eat one another.  The most intelligent ape is still far from the intelligence of a below average human being, much lower.  Apes can't think philosophy, nor can they do science.  While it is true that they may use tools, they have been the same tools for eons most likely.  They are caught in a loop, which is good, they seem happy where they are.  I do believe that we should learn to be kind to animals, though for out benefit not theirs, they have no sense of self to have any understanding in our morals or other intellectual understandings about life.

Some animals may have some self awarness, and if so, then yes we must treat them in a kinder manner.  Though if their self awarenss is anywhere near what ours is, I have my doubts.


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Edited by dougeaton, 29 April 2012 - 10:24 PM.

If you must have  finale absolute answers, then become an  hard nosed atheist or a fundie of any religion, both seem to be black and white thinkers, and have only contempt for those who think differently.

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 10:26 PM

View PostArbitran, on 10 April 2012 - 06:35 AM, said:

Chimpanzees are just as intelligent as humans. The white man believed that the black man was non-human and unintelligent for centuries; we're just now realizing that chimpanzees are just another species of human. Just a hairier, stronger species of human. They are our brother race; and we need to realize it.

That is absolute nonsense.

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If you must have  finale absolute answers, then become an  hard nosed atheist or a fundie of any religion, both seem to be black and white thinkers, and have only contempt for those who think differently.

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 07:56 AM

View Postdougeaton, on 29 April 2012 - 10:26 PM, said:

That is absolute nonsense.

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Care to explain? I don't happen to believe that modern science is nonsense, but if you do... Well, to each his own I suppose.

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