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#1    Yes_Man

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Posted 16 June 2007 - 01:52 PM

We can see the past through space, if we look at a star the star could allready be dead. but we see the light because its millions of years old going through space. This called time....... time exsist between dimenchons and worlds. We can also vist the future by flying in deep space and then come back 1,000 years later.

It is very possible. people dont belive this because there ither dont belive or dont have anything to do while there governemt is lieing.


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Posted 16 June 2007 - 02:02 PM

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We can see the past through space, if we look at a star the star could allready be dead. but we see the light because its millions of years old going through space. This called time....... time exsist between dimenchons and worlds. We can also vist the future by flying in deep space and then come back 1,000 years later.

It is very possible. people dont belive this because there ither dont belive or dont have anything to do while there governemt is lieing.


Time doesn't exist.  You can not go back in time because the past is an illusion.  When we see the light from a star system what we are seeing is the present.  The star in fact may be non-existent but we are seeing the present journey of light. The Earth is as old as the Earth is and yet we experience it in the present.  One cannot 'fly' into deep space.  At the height of our technological advancement we have not even traversed past our own moon.  Think about it.

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Posted 16 June 2007 - 02:19 PM

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We can see the past through space, if we look at a star the star could allready be dead. but we see the light because its millions of years old going through space. This called time....... time exsist between dimenchons and worlds. We can also vist the future by flying in deep space and then come back 1,000 years later.

It is very possible. people dont belive this because there ither dont belive or dont have anything to do while there governemt is lieing.


For that to happen you would need to be able to travel near the speed of light, we're no where near achieving that.

How is the 'governemt' lying? Almost everyone in the world with an understanding of physics knows the basics of what you're talking about. Stop reading conspiracy theories.

Joc is also right. The light we see from distant stars is merely a representation of the past; it only exists in the present.


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Posted 17 June 2007 - 04:07 AM

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Time doesn't exist.  You can not go back in time because the past is an illusion.  When we see the light from a star system what we are seeing is the present.  The star in fact may be non-existent but we are seeing the present journey of light. The Earth is as old as the Earth is and yet we experience it in the present.  One cannot 'fly' into deep space.  At the height of our technological advancement we have not even traversed past our own moon.  Think about it.


I don't want to hear about time not existing anymore because time does exist everywhere.  Tell me where time does not exist.  Tell me why time does not exist.  Time does not exist when you have no more time, but time exist.  Seconds and hours are a division of time and that time is the rising and setting of the sun.  The lunar calendars are not made up.  A farmer depends on the harvest and the crops depend on the moon and the moon goes from new to quarter to half to full and back to new in 28 days.  The day is from sunrise to the next sunrise.  You cannot reach up there and grab the sun and pull it down and say there is no more time.  And you cannnot make time not exist by saying there is no time.  Time exist for people who want to progress from this point to the next.  Time exist for people who want to finish what they start.  And when you say the past is an illusion, the present is real and your movement makes the last present the past.  When you go from point A to point B, point A does not disappear when you leave it.
Now, it is not possible to reclaim or return to the past when you are alive because it has gone, but your mind is a recorder with a camera and you can replay the past in your mind.  





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Posted 17 June 2007 - 07:52 PM

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Time doesn't exist.  You can not go back in time because the past is an illusion.  When we see the light from a star system what we are seeing is the present.  The star in fact may be non-existent but we are seeing the present journey of light. The Earth is as old as the Earth is and yet we experience it in the present.  One cannot 'fly' into deep space.  At the height of our technological advancement we have not even traversed past our own moon.  Think about it.


We're actually more advanced than we were when we went to the moon, technologically speaking. So what's the hold-up, already?


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Posted 17 June 2007 - 08:32 PM

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Time doesn't exist.  You can not go back in time because the past is an illusion.  When we see the light from a star system what we are seeing is the present.  The star in fact may be non-existent but we are seeing the present journey of light. The Earth is as old as the Earth is and yet we experience it in the present.  One cannot 'fly' into deep space.  At the height of our technological advancement we have not even traversed past our own moon.  Think about it.



Thats pretty much retarded! And he didn't say we can go back in time. And the earth isn't made out of light so what you said makes no sense,
are you trying to say we experience light as a physical reality? If so i would be able to kill you by turning on a flashlight while pointing it at you.

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Posted 22 June 2007 - 06:44 PM

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We can see the past through space, if we look at a star the star could allready be dead. but we see the light because its millions of years old going through space. This called time....... time exsist between dimenchons and worlds. We can also vist the future by flying in deep space and then come back 1,000 years later.

It is very possible. people dont belive this because there ither dont belive or dont have anything to do while there governemt is lieing.



wow i would of never thought of that

it does sorta make sense though

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Posted 22 June 2007 - 09:08 PM

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Time doesn't exist.


Your post says it was posted at 902 am on Jun 16th.


I'd assert that time does in fact, exist.


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Posted 23 June 2007 - 07:16 PM

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I don't want to hear about time not existing anymore because time does exist everywhere.  Tell me where time does not exist.  Tell me why time does not exist.  Time does not exist when you have no more time, but time exist.  Seconds and hours are a division of time and that time is the rising and setting of the sun.  The lunar calendars are not made up.  A farmer depends on the harvest and the crops depend on the moon and the moon goes from new to quarter to half to full and back to new in 28 days.  The day is from sunrise to the next sunrise.  You cannot reach up there and grab the sun and pull it down and say there is no more time.  And you cannnot make time not exist by saying there is no time.  Time exist for people who want to progress from this point to the next.  Time exist for people who want to finish what they start.  And when you say the past is an illusion, the present is real and your movement makes the last present the past.  When you go from point A to point B, point A does not disappear when you leave it.
Now, it is not possible to reclaim or return to the past when you are alive because it has gone, but your mind is a recorder with a camera and you can replay the past in your mind.




The statement "time does not exist" poses a difficult quandary.
Time actually exists only in respect to the fact that it is a man-made construct, a system designed to keep track of things.
Time exists in that respect alone.
So, in a way, you're correct, but in another, you're incorrect.

You see, the confusion manifests in your own argument when you say that time does not exist when you have no time, but time exists (?).  Which is it?

In a  much more profound sense, time does not exist.  There is only the present moment!  

Being able to replay the past in your mind is a function of the mind's ability to store information, just as a computer file you create can, and does preserve your actions of the past.   That has nothing to do with the principal of time not existing as a real thing.  When you're looking at the file again, you're seeing registrations of data placed there before, but you're viewing it strictly in the present moment.

When the OP says, we can see the past by looking at the stars, he is absolutely correct.
However, we're  seeing what the state of something that was --perhaps millions or billions of years ago--but in your present moment, much as you can look at your diary (if you have one) and read about yourself 20 years ago, say.  You're viewing the you that existed then, but it's in the present moment.

Everytime you read a book, technically, you're looking into the past.   When you look at that supernova that's 4000 LY distant, you're doing the same thing.  In the now, which is all that really exists anywhere, you're seeing the star's "now" of 4000 years ago.   That seeing is your "now".  The star's "now", in respect to yours,  is much different.

See how wild this is?

Look at a movie, read a book, call up a memory...all of it is in the now.
Time doesn't exist at all in that respect.

It is, essentially a constructed measurement system so we may reference processes and events.   It is a useful tool for science, but it is a tool.  The tool is a reality, but it is not a tangible in that it doesn't describe something in the moment...which is the only thing that actually exists.

It's a philosophical discussion actually.   A great mental exercise!





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Posted 24 June 2007 - 02:47 AM

Sorry all, but the Earth is currently under a forced quarantine and we cant go out to play until we learn to get along!

Sounds logical to me wink2.gif


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Posted 24 June 2007 - 03:31 PM

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Your post says it was posted at 902 am on Jun 16th.
I'd assert that time does in fact, exist.



I would assert that the system of measurement that we invented exists, but that time as a tangible entity does not.

You see his post was made at 09:02 on 6-16.   But that is merely a designation for something that happened.  You're looking at the past, certainly when you read it, but you're seeing it in the present moment, which is all that really exists.  

Again, mental gymnastics!


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Posted 24 June 2007 - 03:44 PM

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The statement "time does not exist" poses a difficult quandary.
Time actually exists only in respect to the fact that it is a man-made construct, a system designed to keep track of things.
Time exists in that respect alone.
So, in a way, you're correct, but in another, you're incorrect.

You see, the confusion manifests in your own argument when you say that time does not exist when you have no time, but time exists (?).  Which is it?

In a  much more profound sense, time does not exist.  There is only the present moment!  

Being able to replay the past in your mind is a function of the mind's ability to store information, just as a computer file you create can, and does preserve your actions of the past.   That has nothing to do with the principal of time not existing as a real thing.  When you're looking at the file again, you're seeing registrations of data placed there before, but you're viewing it strictly in the present moment.

When the OP says, we can see the past by looking at the stars, he is absolutely correct.
However, we're  seeing what the state of something that was --perhaps millions or billions of years ago--but in your present moment, much as you can look at your diary (if you have one) and read about yourself 20 years ago, say.  You're viewing the you that existed then, but it's in the present moment.

Everytime you read a book, technically, you're looking into the past.   When you look at that supernova that's 4000 LY distant, you're doing the same thing.  In the now, which is all that really exists anywhere, you're seeing the star's "now" of 4000 years ago.   That seeing is your "now".  The star's "now", in respect to yours,  is much different.

See how wild this is?

Look at a movie, read a book, call up a memory...all of it is in the now.
Time doesn't exist at all in that respect.

It is, essentially a constructed measurement system so we may reference processes and events.   It is a useful tool for science, but it is a tool.  The tool is a reality, but it is not a tangible in that it doesn't describe something in the moment...which is the only thing that actually exists.

It's a philosophical discussion actually.   A great mental exercise!

Great post MID! thumbsup.gif

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Posted 24 June 2007 - 03:46 PM

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We can see the past through space, if we look at a star the star could allready be dead. but we see the light because its millions of years old going through space. This called time....... time exsist between dimenchons and worlds. We can also vist the future by flying in deep space and then come back 1,000 years later.

It is very possible. people dont belive this because there ither dont belive or dont have anything to do while there governemt is lieing.


Firstly, use a spell checker... or read a damn dictionary.

Secondly, just because we see the light from stars does not mean we can see into the past.  The light has been traveling through space for many years and finally reached our eyes. That is not seeing the past!

Thirdly, How can you prove that flying into deep space and coming back 1,000 years later means you can visit the future? That is one of the most bizarre statements I've ever heard.

And lastly, stop trying to believe so badly that you'll believe anything thrown at you. Yes, I believe the government are twisted in some way but they have nothing to do with what you're talking about.


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Posted 24 June 2007 - 03:48 PM

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Sorry all, but the Earth is currently under a forced quarantine and we cant go out to play until we learn to get along!

Sounds logical to me wink2.gif


There may indeed be a good bit of logic in that statement.

After all, most kids recall being told by their parents, "You can't go out and play until you clean your room,"  or something to that effect.
I think one of the primary reasons that man hasn't advanced in space exploration to a high level yet (i.e., advanced lunar and manned planetary exploration), as well as in other areas of endeavor,  is precisely because we still have chores to do--a clean up--so-to-speak--before we can devote our energies and resources to such affairs completely.

I would postulate than any advanced civilization which has attained the ability to conduct interplanetary exploration is devoid of requirements such as we currently have on Earth.

I suspsect that on an alien planet so advanced, there are no ancient religious faction spewing archaic, violent dogma and exercising their will to pose serious threats to the world and to the safety of peoples in various parts of it.   I'd also suspect that there are no regions of their world which are rife with political and religious instability, such as we have.

Thus, this advanced world would not have a need to addrerss such lunacy, and could devote more than a small part of its resources to the advancement of technology and science necessary to accomplish expansive exploratory efforts, and all the benefits which are derived from such efforts,  without having to worry about lesser beings on their world killing them.

Yes, I think you might be right.


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Posted 24 June 2007 - 04:03 PM

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Firstly, use a spell checker... or read a damn dictionary.


Now, let's be nice...

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Secondly, just because we see the light from stars does not mean we can see into the past. The light has been traveling through space for many years and finally reached our eyes. That is not seeing the past!


As I said, you are seeing the light in thge now, but in a sense, you are indeed seeing the past...the past of that star, how it was a long time ago.  You've got to realize that the now of the star in question is not what you're seeing when you look at its light.   You're seeing its then.

We're just seeing it in the now.

It's not a cut-and-dried thing.  Rather a brain twister, huh?

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Thirdly, How can you prove that flying into deep space and coming back 1,000 years later means you can visit the future? That is one of the most bizarre statements I've ever heard.


I believe, in his way, he is referring to the Special Theory of Relativity and the idea that clocks slow down significantly at substantial fractions of the speed of light.   A journey of 1000 years earth time, round trip, at a very substantial fraction of the speed of light  (let's say 99.99999%c), would find the traveler returning to Earth 1000 years later (Earth time), but, according to the theory, only having aged about 3 months (ship's time).

Thus, if you think about it, such travel would indeed be traveling into the future for the traveler, as he'd arrive back home after such a journey at such speeds 1000 years later on Earth, but he, as the traveler,  would only have aged 3 months.  Everyone he knew when he left would be dead for centuries, and the world he came home to would be 1000 years advanced into the future.

I know it sounds rather far-fetched, but that's precisely what Special Relativity states.






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