I was just wondering what you all thought on murder? I mean in certain curcumstances is it ok to kill someone? I for one say yes, If someone was trying to kill me I'd kill them first....

What do you think?

Kill? Yes, in certain circumstances. Murder? No.

Define murder,

Murder as in physically taking away someones life.

Or ridiculing them until they do it themselves because they listened to too many Emo records and went overboard on cutting themselves.

murder as in take someones life...... is it still classified as murder if you kill someone to save your life or the life of someone you love?

There is a difference between what is defined as murder, and just killing someone.

Only in a case of self defense, other than that NOOO..JN

Murder is killing, killing is murder. If you end someone's life, whether it's justified or not, is still murder.

And I think it's ok...so long as the person deserved it. And some people, actually, a hell of a lot of people, deserve it.

self defence or to protect my daughter, would not IMO be murder. Taking a life, yes, but if they were trying to kill us, then it would be justifiable homocide.

AGREED.

Quoted for accuracy.
Murder = The killing of one human being by another on purpose.

It's always murder, no matter why you did it. Although, there are a lot of people who deserve it.. >_<

I agree there is a big difference between murder and taking a life while deffending your loved ones and yourself.
I would feel horrible if i was ever forced into such an act even deffending others or myself, but i would never just kill someone for any other reason, that would be murder and wrong!

Taking a life where it is necessary to defend one's self, I'd still call killing someone who is trying to kill you murder if it is avoidable.

i'd post my thoughts on this issue, but then i'd get banned

If at all possible I would say don't kill even in self defense, because who knows the circumstances of that person. They could have all kinds of issues, some not within their control. But if it had to come to that I would not say it is murder.

Thus, no matter what someone does to you, murder is not an option. Getting back at someone who has wronged you, when it is not in the moment or in self defense, though you could call it justifiable, it would still be murder.

I asked on another website about joining the army, that would it be classed as murder and from it I heard the difference between killing and murder is that if you was to fight Osamas army, and you met someone on the battlefield who'd purposefully take kill innocent people and threaten your way of life, then that wouldn't be a murder if you was to kill them.

murder.. if is not against the law and is not sin. i'll happy to kill some people. especially who threatening my family or my pets

To kill someone for no apparant reason But if it was done in protecting my family, I woud probably have to answer yes, and live with the consequences....

I think it's ok in the right conditions. If they truely deserve it, then I hope they'll suffer. If someone tried to kill/hurt me, yes. If someone killed/hurt my family or friends, then they'll be hunted down. I really have little faith in our justice system in this country. Murders, child rapists, theives getting out all the time on stupid loopholes, over-crowding, bleeding heart liberals giving them hugs and even then their imprisonment is only a lack of their freedom... Where they have video games, workshops, books, cable, free meals and other items to entertain them during their stay. That's not punishment to me.

Murder is murder. It's always a wrong road. However, it's sometimes needed.

So, I think it's wrong, but I also agree with it if it's needed.

Well, we don't make social rules to define thing as good or evil but so as to be able to live without the fear of the other. Or as Hamurabi expressed it in his code of laws: so that the strong does not harm the weak.

Civilization is only possible in groups, therefore the group needs a set of rules by which to live. Most of these rules are about the property and the health of an individual, where the rules concerning the health are more strongly enforced.

So if there is a taboo against murder it is not because murder is "good or evil" but because you cannot live with somebody who at a whim could kill you. Trying to soften that taboo leads to the abolishing of it and therefore of civilization.

I'm with the majorty, I would kill someone who was harming myself or my family as a way to get them to stop if that was my only option. In that circumstance, it would have to be at the actual time of the deed to make them stop.

However, in certain circumstances, I KNOW I would revenge kill -ie if someone did something terrible to either of my kids, I would track them down and shoot them when I found them.

I would happily go to prison for murder in that circumstance!

A fence is still a fence, regardless of what color you paint it.

There's a time and place for everything...

got cliches?

According to the Merriam-Webster dictionary:
Main Entry: 2murder
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): mur·dered ; mur·der·ing/'m&r-d(&-)ri[ng]/
transitive senses
1 : to kill (a human being) unlawfully and with premeditated malice
2 : to slaughter wantonly : SLAY
3 a : to put an end to b : TEASE , TORMENT c : MUTILATE , MANGLE <murders French> d : to defeat badly
So, killing someone by accident, or in self defense is not murder. In this definition, I think the word unlawfully is pretty important.

I say if you have to protect your own life or someone else's, then yes. Self defense isn't murder.

Protecting your self and your family is important, anyone would go to any lengths to do so. Murder is a no, no!!!!!

Well ok, so MURDER is not the right word.... but you all get what I'm getting at

So who are you trying to kill?

Completely in agreement with your post,and I would do exactly the same.
If I felt there was no other option but to shoot an assailant,I would do it,regardless of our laws.
To spend time in Prison is nothing if it meant saving one of my Family.
I would even,without hesitation take a bullet myself, if it meant saving one of my Family.

lol i'm not trying to kill anyone, i just got to thinking one day about a situation i was in a few years ago where i was actually considering it. (im not homocidal by the way) and just got to thinking about killing in the right circumstance to protect yourself.

I've just read the replies about murdering or killing people who may be attacking you or your family and even revenge killings, but arent most people over looking the psychological effects of such actions, once you've taken someones life its the end for them but for you the memory of the event will stay for the rest of your life, and you will look back and think could i have done anything different. its human nature, question is can you live a normal life after the dust has settled. (i dont think you can)

Steve.

double post, stupid refresh button

Whoa, this is a cool topic Illicit moonlight



Yeah man, thats a wicked point! ...at the end of the day, by killing someone you are just putting them out of their misery, if someone wrongs you there are far better ways of dealing with it, making them aware and face up to themselves is the best thing. You dont need to kill someone to defend yourself but if it happens by mistake then thats the way the cookie crumbles and no baggage needs to be carried, of course, it is easier said...

Here are a couple of cool quotes...

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. ~ Mohandas Gandhi

I am prepared to die, but there is no cause for which I am prepared to kill. ~ Mohandas Gandhi

Think of all the misery violence has caused in the world. Far greater things can come from non-violence as a method. There would be less misery in the world if we all practiced this method. Until then we can only practice what we preach and let others learn by our example, those who do not learn will ultimately encounter more sorrow in life.

NICE ONE!

Good point Steve but at the time I dont think you would be thinking about the psychological effects of killing someone..... I'm not about to go out and kill someone for the hell of it but if it came down to do or die I wouldn't be thinking about what psychological effects it may have on me later..... I know it will mess you up, some people more than others but i would rather have to deal with them being dead by my hand then having to grieve a loved one...

As some know.. I was acquitted of a murder charge with no case to answer on the grounds of self defence after I just turned 19. And I've found it very hard to live with afterwards for many different reasons.. some because people would call me a murderer in public, which was hurtful and awkward, while others just didnt want to talk to me at all anymore. Which I found from the more christian.. like I had a christian friend who never talked to me again. She actually crossed the street so she wouldnt have to. So you have to deal with that side of it for starters which is pretty weird. It's like you feel a total outcast even when you are found innocent. It's also not easy if you are the type of person who doesnt believe in taking life.. like I have more of a buddhist way of thinking I guess( I dont kill bugs etc.. I let them outside), and so I found it very hard to live with the fact I had taken a human life. So I used drugs a lot to forget it kinda, and I wanted to almost give my life away just because I had accidentally taken one. I wanted to make it even but I dont believe in suicide, so I used drugs in a reckless fashion because I felt so trapped. Thats why I overdosed lots. I kept testing the limits because I didnt care. And now years later and after getting off heroin, I'm just happy I've learned so much from my experience and I'm still here. It plays on my mind I guess because it's shaped who I am, and I cant remember who I was before it. Like people would tell me(my friends and family)to be like I was before it happened(like more happy), but I could never be like I was. And I only ever felt pressure to be normal again like it didnt mean anything. Hard to describe but I felt yuck, and the pressure from people who didnt understand, wanting me to just be happy again, never helped.

So yeah.. I found its not an easy thing to live with, because I respect life. Like I was against the death penalty before I was wrongfully charged with murder and acquitted later(so I've always had the same views like that). So for me to know I've taken a life plays with my mind. Not as much now because of certain things I think I understand. But it still makes me sad and its something you dont ever forget.

Sorry, I know this is a serious topic, but i couldn't help laughing and spitting my tea everywhere...

To inadvertently kill another in self-defence, when they are in the process of trying to kill you, isn't murder!