Should same sex marriages be legally accepted and acknowledged and carry the same recognition as opposite sex marriages? Are they legal and accepted where you live?


Me personally - no thank you, and that is not from a religous perspective, purely my own choice.

My p/s opinion...who cares, what business is it of anyone else anyway, to each their own and good luck to them.
Life's too short to worry about trivial b/s like that.

Yet i feel someone somehow will sooner or later drag religious and moral(contradiction in terms right there) issues in it...as usual.



later...

Agreed. As long as nobody interferes in my business i wouldn't dream of interfering in their's.

my choice is.. hmm ... maybe woman with woman, yes... but man with man, hell no..
but for real is i dont agree.

honestly it dosent bother me. if two people love each other and want to marry then good luck to them. But on the same note... i have never heard of a same sex divorce.... how many "regular" marriages end in divorce every day? Im not saying that a same sex marriage havent ended before but i hve never heard of one. I say good luck to them.

As Rebel said, "life is to short to worry about trivial's"...I see nothing wrong with it...If they're happy then that's all that counts...They have adopted children, and seem to make great parents...So IMO, its fine...

It is their business totally and if same sex couples wish to get married and commit to each other,good on them.
As long as they don't interfere with me,thats fine. They have every right to be happy as Hetro's do.
Only reservation I have with them adopting Children,I would hope they are discreet,as Children are nosey.
I can't say they make good parents as I haven't seen enough reports to convince me,either way.
I would guess some will make excellent Parents and some not so good,same as in Hetrosexual Marriages.

As someone else has already said on this forum, same sex couples have every right to be as miserable as hetero couples, once they get married....

Absolutely.. I agree.

Two men marrying, who cares - let them do what they want. Two men adopting a child is what is worrying. You've got to think about the best interests of the child - who has no control over the adoption and faces a difficult life. Could you tell someone you were the adopted son/daughter of a married gay couple? I would certainly have great difficulty.

I don't care what two consenting adults do ... what ever floats their boat .... live and let live.

I believe same sex marriage should be legal! I am aware of several same sex couples who had loving commited relationships. There have been so many cases where these couples lived togeather for years and bought homes and eveything that goes with it, when sadly one of them died. The parents of the dead young man ,who by the way refused to have anything to do with their gay son and his chosen life partner while he was alive, had no problem in comming straight over to pack up all his things and decide that the home and everything in it belonged to them! I call this stealing! These wonderfull parents who wern,t there for him in life, took everything and their dead sons partner had no case because there were no marital laws protecting what was rightfully his! These parents even took gifts their son had given his partner for birthdays and special occasions! And the law was on their side! They told their sons partner he wasn,t even to come to the funeral! He had lost the person he loved and made a life with, he lost all they had worked for, and he wasn,t even allowed to say good bye to the one he loved! Marriage would solve this, they would be protected by law, have medical benifits etc...! And anyone who,s ever been married knows these are important issues!
As a Christian myself i,ve heard many arguments against it because the scriptures say it,s a sin! But i also know of many who call themselves Christian, speak condemmingly about gays and then go behinde their spouses back and commit adultery! The fact is we are all sinners and not one of us is better than anyone else! God gave us free will to choose our path, who are any of us to take what God has given away from someone else? And as a Christian i believe as Christ taught, that i should treat others as i would have them treat me! I want others, including gay people to respect my marrisge and my choice to love whom i do, so if thats what i want, thats what i give! And it,s not my place to judge anyone else anymore than it,s their place to judge me! I also know many athiests who are against gay marriage and i,ve heard their arguments, the one that makes me really angry is the argument that if they were given equal rights in marriage, too many buisnesses wold have to include their gay partners in health insurance policies. This they say would be too costly as they are more likely to contract AIDS and sexually realated illnesses! I couldn,t believe what i heard! Since i believe anyone who isn,t faithfull in a manogomous relationship is just as at risk as any gay person!
As for gays having or adopting children, i feel as long as the child is loved and wanted and respected, why not! I,ve heard the argument that two men shouldn,t raise a child as a child needs a motherly influence! Yet how many succesful single fathers have raised children? And how many children are raised in homes where there is a mommy and a daddy, yet these kids are uncared for,neglected and even abused in so many ways! It takes a real commitment and unselfish, unconditional, sacrificial love to raise a child no matter who you are! And the only people who should have children are those who are going to do it with the childs safety, security,best interest and love! I don,t care if your gay or straight , male or female, the childs best interest and welfare comes first!
So yes gay marriage should be legal, respected and lets move on to those things in life that really need to be fixed and dealt with!

Great post my friend...

Yes. I am a misogamist through and through, but there is no difference between hetero and gay marriages.
What happened to the man in swtp's post shouldn't happen to people.

It's worth saying that it's not just a 'privacy' issue for people who think gay marriage just about what two consenting adults do. There are important political dimensions to it.

Currently, the government of the US is carrying out what is essentially legal discrimination -- they actively deny many civil rights and privileges associated with marriage (like tax breaks, adoptions, fiscal and health management issues) based on sexual orientation. What's more, many people want to create an Amendment to the Constitution to permanently protect these abuses. It should concern all of us when we allow our government gets to pick and chose who gets what rights -- our government was founded on the principal that everyone should have the same rights, and that's always been its practice.

--Jaylemurph

Totally agree. Very good post, swtp!

As a gay man, even I can see problems arising out of a same sex marriage. Marriage within the church is between a man and a woman and that should be respected within religion. Marriage between male and female is followed by procreation and that cannot happen in a same sex marriage.

Personally, I don't see it as a problem at all. Who says that we must procreate,in every Marriage? What happens when a Severely handicapped Quad,who can't procreate, for example wants to get married?No different to same sex marriages,IMHO.
Some couples happily married never have sex for some reason or another,throughout their marriage,
To me anyway,if two same sex couples are bonded as one spiritually,and both their hearts beat as one,then I say who are we to judge.

No they should not .enough said.

The way i see it, they should be legal, and this isn't because I like people who are with somebody of the same gender, but because the way I see it, if it doesn't affect you, you don't need to care.

Why cant people like you just live and let live? How is it any concern of yours if two gay people get married?

It isn't my business what people do with their lives.

only ppl with problems of acceptance would think like this.. the child would not be brainwashed to "become gay" and it (in my opinion) is not embaressing either. at the end of the day, the child is a part of a family, and is being loved and cared for. and in most parts, being taught equality, something of which the gay community is still severely lacking. who gives a damn if they are gay or hetero?
i think the main reason ppl are still homophobic, is due to total ignorance, perhaps to their own sexuality.. some ppl that i have known to be homophobes, turned out to be closet gays. ppl who couldnt deal with reality
as was said before, live and let live. they are still ppl with thoughts and feelings and should be treated equally

That's an extremely parochial viewpoint!

Marriage in the Western world has been completely taken out of religion for decades, if not centuries; it's never been the religious aspects of it that concern most gay people.
Are you suggesting the only point in marriage is reproduction?

I mean, I'm not the biggest supporter of gay marriage -- I think it comes dangerously close to swapping a distinctly gay identity for political and civil rights -- but I think it's an option for some people.

--Jaylemurph

I not only think that gay marriage should be legal, but I think any two people who want to form a legal partnerships like marriage should be allowed to do so. The govt. can't regulate love or procreation, and both those things are missing from many traditional marriages anyway.

When I got married in the church the minister took out the part that said "go forth and procreate". She didn't feel that that was what marriage was about. And I have to agree. As for gays marrying, why not. Doesn't affect me! And as my husband so eloquently said to my Dad once, "what they hell do you care if homos get married? No one is trying to stick anything in your ass". A bit crude, yes, but to the point.

As I pointed out earlier, it /does/ sort of affect you.
Sorry, hearing you breede-- um, people... say that over and over makes me a little cranky.

--Jaylemurph

I have been in a gay relationship for going on two years now. We show the same love, respect and attention to eachother that a man and woman would. Why shouldn't we be given the same rights as a straight couple would? And why should it even be a question to begin with. None of us are God and have no right to judge the other. So why does the goverment have the right to judge us?

Why would it affect me? I'm sure no one cares what goes on in my bedroom and I don't care what goes on in other people's bedrooms. Gay people pay their taxes, why shouldn't they be able to have the same benefits I do?

Just hope they don't decide that you don't deserve the rights other people have...

--Jaylemurph

I'm not worried. I'm Canadian. The government has already legalized same sex marriage.

No if only we could get them to legalize pot... Just kidding. I'm not a pot smoker.

you know , as a lesbian I've never ever heard a gay man , no matter how far in the closet , talk like that unless they A. didn't like themselves or B. was someone straight posing.

while I agree Marriage should be left to the church ( and plenty of churches are willing to marry gay people) the legal binding of Marriage in church should not exist. rather a seperate ceremony for all of age citizens labled Civil Union .

and since it's become legal ? your property value has gone up , it looks great , your money has increased in power !!! lol all great ! ( and main street shopping with coffee clutches and outdoor eating has become vogue again as the malls are taken over by kids. )

it's been a win win ! gays are great for businesses and popular dance music ( if it's a hit with them you can be sure sooner or later it gets to be a hit with main culture.)

lol but true.

You know, Lt., I thought the same thing. It seems to me that it is pretty much tantamount to saying "I don't deserve decent treatment" and that seems a little weird.

--Jaylemurph

yeah I know. also the line about procreation. I smell a poser. No gay person would even worry about that. Our parts work. and we all know marriage is only to have children right ? !!! lol tell that to straight people who can't or choose not to have any. they shouldn't be allowed to marry then .




and what problems ? exactly what problems is what I want to know. People bring this up , some even claim it will 'destroy the family' - exactly how ? seems straight people are pretty good at doing that themselves.

I can be this simple, If you dont want same sex marrage, dont have one, leave those who do, alone.

lol! It's all true! Except that soon outdoor eating has now become a thing of the past. Winter is coming my dear and where I'm from the snow flies before Halloween and the temperature drops to -30C pretty quick!

there's a down side to everything, isn't there.

Damn. Here I am listen to Indie music and shilling for their bands.
Sigh... clearly I'm just a faux-mo...

--Jaylemurph

I have hung around gay guys for the last ten years (I own a film and theater production company) and have very close homosexual friends of both sexes and have never, in a million conversations, heard a gay man articulate such an argument. Either you're an extremely rare case or your a poser shilling for your ideology.

All I can say is "To thine own self be true". It's none of my business and I don't think it's a big deal any way you look at it. Love is love - end.

What problems exactly?
I procreated twice, long before I married , so I don't equate the two.

And I have an aunt and uncle who can't have children so I guess them being together is a big waste of time.

I only have a problem when it's two guys. I don't mind two men being in love with eachother as long as they don't make out in public. That's just nasty. When it's two girls it's hot, and when it's a guy and a girl I dont mind it. But two guys is just gross.

why not? who are we to judge em?

ha ha ha ha, brilliant! Brilliant satire of the macho dinosaur attitudes that some people in this world actually do, believe it or not, still posses.

Well done my friend.

Funny, I think the same thing about straight people.

--Jaylemurph

O load, I hope you're joking.
Personally, I enjoy seeing good-looking men make out with each other, but that's just me.

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tl;dr

It's not like that's any different from women making out with each other, or even a man and a woman! Love isn't for procreation solely.