QUOTE (111 @ Nov 15 2007, 12:18 PM)

This isn't related to the OP but i was thinking about this today and wondered if you clear this up for me Fluffybunny. Do you have retained firefighters in the states, my dad was 20 odd years in the job (UK) before an accident forced him to leave, when he was in the job there was always a lot of strain (to put it mildly) between retained and full-time, is it the same in the states?
If by retained you mean folks that volunteer their time, then yes. This will come as a surprise, but about 75% of the firefighters in our country our volunteers. Most people assume that every firefighter that goes by is well paid to do what they do. 3/4 arent paid a dime. Most Big cities are paid firefighters with maybe a few volunteers, but as soon as you get outside of a big city, volunteers outnumber paid staff most of the time.
In some places yes there is a divide between paid and volunteer. it depends on the leadership. In some places the full time staff consider themselves superior...more dedicated...which I always though funny. It is tough to be more dedicated that to risk your life on a regular basis, and not even get paid for it. Or get insurance, retirement...to do it just because you feel it is the right thing to do. When I was volunteering I got 3.00 per call to cover the gas to get to the station, that was it. If I died on the call my wife would get a $20,000 life insurance policy, barely enough to get me into the ground. Thats it. Volunteers do not get paid. They do it because they love it.
Any time you have some guy who works a full time job and has the regular stress of life, and then on top of that volunteers to risk his life to help other human beings, he has my full respect. That is an honorable person. That shows more dedication than the guy that shows up for his paycheck and retirement in my opinion.
Fire doesnt care one lick whether a firefighter is paid or not when it is trying to kill you. We all have to train to the same level, volunteer or not.
If you want a realization of how much firefighters(even paid ones) have to love their job let me give a brief story about something that happened to me last summer that was a wakeup call for me.
We had a mobile home fire not too far from the station. We were able to get there in time(they burn very fast) to make entry as one end was completely engulfed in flames. It was night and we knew that there was at least one person at home in a back bedroom. We sent in a team to fight the fire. I went in with the team to find hopefully the patient(and not the victim/body). It was really smokey, the house was a mess and there was junk on the floor everywhere we had to fight and push stuff around to get to the bedrooms to search, but we found an elderly man in bed barely breathing. He was a big guy(375+) and there was no way the two of us could have gotten him out and the fire was on our ass by this point and we were 10 minutes away from the next engine being able to get to us to help. We dont have that much time.
So we could have gotten out the window, but we couldnt have gotten HIM out the window. We were not going to leave him. In fires you do not break windows unless you are getting out as that lets in fresh air and stokes the fire and leaves you in the midst of a blow torch. The medic was outside with 2 guys. We radio'd for a saw to cut the wall down with. We basically took out a 6 foot square area around his winow in about 30 seconds so we could get him out. At that point I was about out of air, so was my partner. We get the guy on the stretcher and start working on him. I let everyone else go fight fire because at the time I have more medical training. We head off to the hospital with this guy who is not in good shape.
We get to the hospital emergency room area. We are rushing to get to the trauma rooms...The receptionist waves, the guy running the floor buffer gets out of our way, the maintenance man goes by with a ladder, the nurse points to the room we are to go to and we take him there.
Out of all of the people above, the guy running the floor buffer makes 4.00 an hour more than I did, the receptionist 6.00 an hour more, Maintanence guy nearly twice as much as me, and the nurse makes 3 times what I do.
So firefighters dont do what they do to get rich. We love it. Look at the quote from the former NYFD Fire Chief just below this; it is true to many of us.