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spooks
hey, this 'll probably be closed knowing my luck, but for anyone who wants to talk about love, as its nearly valentines day, u can post your thoughts in here, sorry mods, if u do close this, dontgetit.gif ,

anyway, some pointers for what to think about,

1. what is love
2. true love, love at first sight - real or not
3. soul mates - found yours?


etc etc, anyway happy posting wub.gif wub.gif wub.gif wub.gif
RaginCajun
love to me is define as an beatable emotion that draws two or more people to a long lasting relationship. to achieve the passing of there genes eventually.

there is no such thing as love at first sight? i'll tell you why. when you see a stranger that is a hottie, you like them (you might say love). you can't love someone until you get to know them personally.

and no i have not find my partner yet (i have tried but she didn't agree with my out look on life. she said it's either her or my dreams hmm.gif ). i am a current student with a full time job and have nothing on my mind other than trying to improve the lives of human kind by further studies in science.
Dog Demon
I don't think there's love at first sight. mellow.gif Never happened to me or anyone I know.
tendo
love is wonderful, unconditional, and permanent...if it 'goes away' it simply never was.

love at first site=no. lol for the reason ragin cajun stated

and idk...maybe...quite possibly...perhaps, ive met mine...i thought i did a while ago...i was quite wrong...but now, idk.
spooks
ty all for your answers, forgot to post mine earlier

love - wonderful warm feeling, when a person, walks in the room, or talks to u etc, and u just know u could spend the rest of your life with them

i do believe in love at first sight, for reasons i'd rather not state in here,


and thirdly soul mates do exist, i think ive found mine
nate0192
1. biologically it's a combination of vasopressin, oxytocin, and endorphins. girls have more oxytocin and guys have more vasopressin. oxytocin has more to do with maternal love and vasopressin has more to do with love for you're gf/bf, which is why i think it's easier for girls to give up on relationships that could work out if they tried hard enough to make it work, but it's harder for them to abort a baby or let somebody adopt it.

2. it could be, but it's never happened to me.

3. not yet.
spooks
i couldnt agree more nate, well said clap.gif
Irish
Love to me is a commitment you have to your best friend in your life. I can say I have the evidence in my wife and best friend. We have six grown children and our first grandson. And yes it was love at first sight. Love changes as you grow with it but it is still wonderful.
Erikl
1. I could give the biological definition of it, but that just won't do it.
I believe love can never go away. As soon as you get it, it stays, forever.
Love from first sight? might happen, all depends on how u define love.

I don't think love can be defined anyhow, without feeling it.
It's a good feeling inside, that u can't really explain it.
I also think that both guys and girls basically feel the same, I mean I know of guys who were really broken from ending a relationship, and in other relationships, the girl was more broken.

2. Could happen - happened to me wink2.gif.


3. yep wub.gif cool.gif
spooks
i agree with u erik, i've found my soulmate, and yes there is such a thing as love at first sight wub.gif
RaginCajun
QUOTE(Erikl @ Jan 17 2005, 11:46 AM)
1. I could give the biological definition of it, but that just won't do it.
I believe love can never go away. As soon as you get it, it stays, forever.
Love from first sight? might happen, all depends on how u define love.

I don't think love can be defined anyhow, without feeling it.
It's a good feeling inside, that u can't really explain it.
I also think that both guys and girls basically feel the same, I mean I know of guys who were really broken from ending a relationship, and in other relationships, the girl was more broken.

2. Could happen - happened to me wink2.gif.


3. yep  wub.gif  cool.gif
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just let me correct one thing. love isn't always good. it can be used as a tool for abuse. or love can make people crazy. wacko.gif
Novo
I believe in love, not fate. Love is a idea, created for human comfort.
nate0192
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Love to me is a commitment you have to your best friend in your life. I can say I have the evidence in my wife and best friend. We have six grown children and our first grandson. And yes it was love at first sight. Love changes as you grow with it but it is still wonderful.


i fell in love with my best friend once, but she wouldn't go out with me because we don't live near each other.

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1. I could give the biological definition of it, but that just won't do it.
I believe love can never go away. As soon as you get it, it stays, forever.
Love from first sight? might happen, all depends on how u define love.

I don't think love can be defined anyhow, without feeling it.
It's a good feeling inside, that u can't really explain it.
I also think that both guys and girls basically feel the same, I mean I know of guys who were really broken from ending a relationship, and in other relationships, the girl was more broken.


it can go away eventually, but it won't if you try to keep it.

i agree that you can't understand it without feeling it. it would depend on how in love each person was, but in general it would be easier for girls to break up with someone they're in love with.
spooks
well said nate, very true, but trying to make it work, all depends on circumstances, and i think girls find it harder to make it work
Erikl
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it can go away eventually, but it won't if you try to keep it.

i agree that you can't understand it without feeling it. it depends on how in love each person was, but in general it would be easier for girls to break up with someone they're in love with.


It can never go away, cause u'll never forget who u loved.
If it did go away, u would have forget it after 10, 20 or 30 years.
The fact that u can't prove u still carry emotional burden.

As for women find it easier - I read in the newspaper only two weeks ago that women tend to experience break up as a combat shock, psychologically speaking...
RaginCajun
i think ladies can break away much easier. why??? ladies are always looking for love or want to be loved...if the peron they are with isn't that they just say goodbye. guys i think want try to figure things out(try to work relationship better). but what do i know i am making assumptions based with no facts. w00t.gif
spooks
well speaking as a woman, i hate breaking up, its the B***** worst thing to do, but when your in love its even harder
nate0192
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It can never go away, cause u'll never forget who u loved.
If it did go away, u would have forget it after 10, 20 or 30 years.
The fact that u can't prove u still carry emotional burden.

As for women find it easier - I read in the newspaper only two weeks ago that women tend to experience break up as a combat shock, psychologically speaking..


you don't forget people that you fell in love with easily, but that's more because when you're brain marks something as emotionally significant it the part of your brain that makes memories is activated. love is one of the most intense emotions and endorphins stimulate the memory center whether they're caused by love or not.

on average, women have lower levels of a brain chemical called serotonin. low levels of serotonin makes you more sensitive to having your feelings hurt.
nate0192
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well speaking as a woman, i hate breaking up, its the B***** worst thing to do, but when your in love its even harder


i agree that breaking up with someone you like/love is one of the hardest things to do.
Lottie
Love is like a rollercoaster.
BurnSide
I wanna ride!
FLY SPITTA
I hope this don't get closed like this thread started said. All the good ones always do! cool.gif Anyways I felt something I thought I would never feel I was deeply in love with my ex. Then all the sudden I fell in love with another girl. And this other girl threats me different we're going out now and it's like I forgot about my ex! Has this ever happened to anyone else they just FELL OUT OF LOVE?? w00t.gif
BurnSide
You were never in love with her if one day you decided you liked someone else better.

Love, for starters, is not something that happens one day and not the next. It takes a long time to fall in love with someone, and equally as long to fall out of love.
Sadly, there are too many people who cannot distingush between like, and love, because they have never felt love, and therefore consider any simple feeling of affection for someone to be love.
JennRose
QUOTE(BurnSide @ Jan 17 2005, 03:50 PM)
You were never in love with her if one day you decided you liked someone else better.

Love, for starters, is not something that happens one day and not the next. It takes a long time to fall in love with someone, and equally as long to fall out of love.
Sadly, there are too many people who cannot distingush between like, and love, because they have never felt love, and therefore consider any simple feeling of affection for someone to be love.
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Agreed. It's more than just a passing whim and is not something that is just *POOF* gone one day in exchange for new diversion. That's love's nature, to be more powerful than any run of the mill 'like' or 'lust'. I think it can be replaced and does fade, but it takes a lot of time if it was true.
Poppycat
Do I detect some cynical men here?

I don't think sex makes much of a difference at how distraught a person is during a break up. Both sexes are affected just as badly in my experience. Of more importance is the support you have around you to enable you to start to recover.

I still often think of the people I have truly loved (and lost) many, many years on. This includes my mother, my ex fiance and my dog. Those boyfriends/pets/family members I was fond of but did not truly love I do not think of at all.
nate0192
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Do I detect some cynical men here?


how did you get me being cynical out of my posts?
cynic=a person that believes people are self-centered and aren't sincere about what they do

i posted the biological definition of it for a reason that the person it was directed towards doesn't want me to tell about.

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I still often think of the people I have truly loved (and lost) many, many years on. This includes my mother, my ex fiance and my dog. Those boyfriends/pets/family members I was fond of but did not truly love I do not think of at all.


i hope you're not talking about the same kind of love we're talking about. we're talking about the type of love you feel exclusively for your gf/bf.
saRa
Love, for me, is something that you could never match up to, something that could never be taken for granted, and something that you can never turn your back on. It's something that can't turn into evil, something that can't be destroyed, and something that can't be betrayed.
It's a deep, tender, ineffable feeling of affection and solicitude toward a person that is hard to back away from.
And an intense emotional attachment.
BurnSide
Something that's so deep it's painful when you're away from the person.
Definately.
FLY SPITTA
QUOTE(BurnSide @ Jan 17 2005, 11:50 AM)
You were never in love with her if one day you decided you liked someone else better.

Love, for starters, is not something that happens one day and not the next. It takes a long time to fall in love with someone, and equally as long to fall out of love.
Sadly, there are too many people who cannot distingush between like, and love, because they have never felt love, and therefore consider any simple feeling of affection for someone to be love.
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It's weird I still like her a lot maybe I still do love her, but she alwasy loved my, but the thing is she also liked so many other boys. And now I found another girl and she loves me. Maybe I love this other girl more because shes more loyal.
BurnSide
Love is between one person and one person.
If you have eyes for someone else, you are not in love with the person you are with. Love is a blindness to everyone around you except for the person you are in love with. It is selfish, it makes you ignore everyone completely except for your woman, or man.
FLY SPITTA
QUOTE(BurnSide @ Jan 17 2005, 04:42 PM)
Love is between one person and one person.
If you have eyes for someone else, you are not in love with the person you are with. Love is a blindness to everyone around you except for the person you are in love with. It is selfish, it makes you ignore everyone completely except for your woman, or man.
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That girl does care for me, I hate to use this word I think shes a hoe......and I do love her, but I just no longer feel the same. I think since someone else came in my life I just feel different about her ya know. Hard to say if she did love me or not.
Novo
Now Burnside lets not be so cynical. Im probably the only person here who has put any thought into what love really is.
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Rose: Are you going to hurt me? Kill me? Mess me up?

Desire: No more than usually; no; and perhaps, a little. But only with Love.

Rose: Have you ever been in love?

Desire: You might say that.

Rose: Horrible isn't it?

Desire: In what way?

Rose: It makes you so vulnerable. It opens your chest and it opens your heart and it means someone can get inside you and mess you up. You build up all these defenses. You build up this whole armor, for years, so nothing can hurt you, then one stupid person, no different from any toher stupid person, wanders into your stupid life...you give them a piece of you. They don't ask for it. They do something dumb one day like kiss you or smile at you and then your life isn't your own anymore. Love takes hostages. It gets inside you. It eats you out and leaves you crying in the darkness, so a simple phrase like "maybe we should just be friends" or "how very perceptive" turns into a glass splinter working its way into your heart. It hurts. Not just in the imagination. Not just in the mind. It's a soul-hurt, a body-hurt, a real gets inside you and rips you apart pain. Nothing should be able to do that. Especially not love.

from the Sandman comic book
(Vertigo line of DC comics)
contributed by Neil Gaimen
September 1997


Corporal Cupcake
i don't believe in love. i did but now, i think it is just a lie crying.gif . but, who cares about my opinion anyway? hmm.gif
Novo
Love is undefinable.
BurnSide
QUOTE(Novo @ Jan 17 2005, 08:33 PM)
Now Burnside lets not be so cynical. Im probably the only person here who has


Well you'll have to forgive me for not taking a 14yr old's word on that.
I don't believe love can be felt until adulthood maturity is met, at least over the age of 17-18.
I thought i knew what love was, like every other teenager, and i was insulted when i was told by my elders that it was not love i was feeling. Now i have matured myself i know only that of course they were right.
nate0192
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Love is like a rollercoaster.


love is like a rollercoaster,
that has it's ups and downs,
and if it's waters get too deep,
in it's passion, you could drown.

don't be too eager to swim it's depths,
it's path can be cold and long,
if you're not careful you'll trip and fall,
and lose that for which you long.

but if cupid's arrows hit the mark,
go for it every mile,
if you don't leave with a broken heart,
it will be more than worth your while.

i wrote that when i saw your post but i didn't have enough time to post it earlier.
nate0192
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QUOTE(Novo @ Jan 17 2005, 08:33 PM)
Now Burnside lets not be so cynical. Im probably the only person here who has


Well you'll have to forgive me for not taking a 14yr old's word on that.
I don't believe love can be felt until adulthood maturity is met, at least over the age of 17-18.
I thought i knew what love was, like every other teenager, and i was insulted when i was told by my elders that it was not love i was feeling. Now i have matured myself i know only that of course they were right.


technically, you can fall in love at any age, but you're more likely to mistake something else for it when you're younger, but i don't think he was really in love either. it's not something that just comes and goes like that. when you fall in love, you know you're in love, and you care more about that person than virtually anything else.
nate0192
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i don't believe in love. i did but now, i think it is just a lie crying.gif . but, who cares about my opinion anyway? hmm.gif


what happened?

or do you not want to talk about it?
Blood Angel
Love -> Foo...i say again foo....
Novo
QUOTE(BurnSide @ Jan 18 2005, 01:49 AM)
QUOTE(Novo @ Jan 17 2005, 08:33 PM)
Now Burnside lets not be so cynical. Im probably the only person here who has


Well you'll have to forgive me for not taking a 14yr old's word on that.
I don't believe love can be felt until adulthood maturity is met, at least over the age of 17-18.
I thought i knew what love was, like every other teenager, and i was insulted when i was told by my elders that it was not love i was feeling. Now i have matured myself i know only that of course they were right.
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Perhaps your right, Perhaps your not. Consider my words carefully, you cannot judge anothers love. For you have never felt it, never shared it. Love is undefinable. It's pointless to try to define, so how can you define who can feel it? I love my friends, I have platonic love for them. So why can I not feel romantic love? As I stated at the start of this post, consider what I have said critically. I'll find out wether you are right or you are wrong out in the term of my life.

*Oh my, I meant to put youngest not only in my previous post..
Erikl
QUOTE(Pyro Pheenix @ Jan 18 2005, 01:39 AM)
i don't believe in love. i did but now, i think it is just a lie  crying.gif . but, who cares about my opinion anyway? hmm.gif
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Awww come on Pheenix, don't say that hmm.gif ...
spooks
QUOTE(Erikl @ Jan 18 2005, 10:43 AM)
QUOTE(Pyro Pheenix @ Jan 18 2005, 01:39 AM)
i don't believe in love. i did but now, i think it is just a lie  crying.gif . but, who cares about my opinion anyway? hmm.gif
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Awww come on Pheenix, don't say that hmm.gif ...
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pheen, please, theres the right guy for everyone, and one day Prince Charming will come and sweep u off your feet, It will happen, yes.gif
tendo
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i agree that breaking up with someone you like/love is one of the hardest things to do.


why on earth would u break up w/ sumone u love? unless u love them, and they are hurting u, it should not be done...love endures ALLLL things. its unconditional.
Poppycat
Romantic love is not the only type of love. There are many different types, and they are no less meaningful. The love we have for our parents or our children for example.

I agree you cannot judge what another person is feeling. Love means different things to different people. Why should the love of a 14 year old be devalued or considered less significant due to their age? As we age and as we get hurt more and more often, I sometimes think people are a lot more cautious about falling in love. Maybe that wild abandon of love and passion that many of us felt as teenagers wasn't so bad after all.

I feel a lot of love for my pets. I enjoy looking after them and taking care of their needs. I have made many sacrifices for them (including choice of job and where I live). People think it odd my pets mean so much to me, but as I have no human family it is not surprising - most of us desire to love and be loved in return. It does annoy me that most of my friends devalue my love for my pets yet would be outraged if I suggested they similarly did not love their kids. How can they possibly judge while they are not me?
horrification
i hate love all it ever brings me is pain
spooks
well said horrification, i agree with that :s , though being in love is the most amazing, wonderful experience, as one of my friends once said, when she'd been with her bf for 4 years, its like floating on clouds, i feel like i'm on cloud nine
Novo
Ah, but thats that much further to fall
spooks
yes very true novo, but when your in love nothing else seems to matter, everything seems to focus on that one other person, u can never stop thinking about them, u wonder what they're doing, when your having a conversation u think i wonder what ... would think
Disinterested
I think it's entirely possible for a 14 year old to fall in love, assuming that we're all talking about romantic love. And romantic love is different then love for your family, your friends, your pets... not that its better, but perhaps more complicated.

However, if a 14 year old tells me that he was in love with someone that he/she had been seeing for just a few months, but it didn't work out.... you can scream at me until you're blue in the face that it was love, I won't believe you for a second. If it was love you would have been able to understand and compromise to each other to make it work. At a couple of months you haven't really given anything a chance, you still barely know each other.

It's different for everyone, but I think that love and lust feel almost exactly the same at first. The only difference is that once the initial excitement of being around this same new person wears off, you still want to be with them. Because you still connect in a way that you've never connected with anyone else.

I think we all experience it at some point or another, and once you have it, you just know.

With my significant other, after living together for a year I still love him dearly. I see a future with this person, and I've never been able to see that before. I can tell him absolutely anything, no matter what, and he'll never love me any less for it.
thebarman
QUOTE(Erikl @ Jan 17 2005, 06:04 PM)
As for women find it easier - I read in the newspaper only two weeks ago that women tend to experience break up as a combat shock, psychologically speaking...
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I read that too, apparently a serious breakup can have permanent effects on a womans brain, altering her personality.

Mmm, I'd better be nicer in future hmm.gif
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