I’ve been following up a story I’ve read on several Jewish sites and also neo-nazi sites. And various other forums online. I believe the story is truthful, as there’s too much detail and the way I read it, the Jewish sites or a Jewish site broke the news and the Nazis saw it and published it.

Apparently, the infamous mass murderer, Dr.Josef Mengele, has an illigitimate daughter, who was born in early 1961 to an Australian woman of German ancestry. Who had been in Paraguay. Staying in a German colony there with her mother and brother, in mid-1960. It is believed the mother of the child was unaware, at the time, of who the child’s father was. But that her mother (now deceased), referred to as “A” in some articles, was well and truly aware and indeed had friends or relatives in that colony. The mother discovered the horrific truth in the mid-70’s, according to the source, believed to be a close relative and confidente of the child’s mother, until recently. The mother who is referred to as “V” in several articles then had a breakdown. I cannot blame her!

The child was adopted out and was born in Australia (The State of Victoria).

According to the source. The child tracked her birth mother down in the early ’90’s. The mother “freaked”. She acknowledged that she was indeed her mother but didn’t want to meet her, but gave her some information regarding her background. But nothing was published as to exactly what. The girl/woman probably is unaware of who her father is(?)

The child had enclosed a few snapshots. One being a close-up of herself and the second, of her 2 children; A baby girl and a toddler son. The mother was quoted as commenting on how the child had an “eerie and uncanny” resemblence to Josef Mengele. That she had “hauntingly beautiful blue eyes”. But what affected the mother more was that both Mengele and his daughter had a mole on the left side of their faces, in almost an identical position. The child had blonde hair, whereas Mengele’s was darker. Otherwise, apparently she was said to have a very strong resemblence to her infamous father.

I really feel sorry for her. If she doesn’t know and discovers the truth. What would you do? I try to put myself in that situation. But I can’t really, as I’m Jewish and it would clearly effect me in a far different way. I lost family members in The Holocaust.

I’m only 39 so didn’t know any of them, but have heard the terrible stories. If that woman, who was referred to as “J” put all the pieces together. It would probably be enough to get her thinking, as there’s the issue of a private adoption, and certain conditions we involved. One being their race! Another, I believe, was religion. Mengele’s parents were strict Catholics.

They stated the child was 4 weeks premature. Apparently Mengele referred to her as “his early birthday present” or “another early birthday present”. This makes sense. Mengele’s birthdate is March 16. His son Rolf’s is March 11. Therefore it would be fair, to my way of thinking, to assume his daughter was born between March 1 and March 15 1961. There was other information too, and to be honest. The whole thing has me really thinking. What would you do if you found out your father was one of the most hated men in history?

I’d be interested in any feedback. It’s an issue, I have never thought about before, but there must be many children out there whose father, or less likely, mother is an almost universal hated figure. And they are unaware of it. The law of averages says some MUST discover the truth. What a nightmare! If the pieces are put together from the things I have read on various Jewish, nazi and non-Jewish forum sites etc. Since the child knew enough to trace her birth mother. I think she would well and truelly have enough information to really wonder whether it could be her they are talking about. In other words, she could trace herself!

I am going to have a chat with a psychologist friend of mine next week and ask him what he thinks.

Is there no end to hearing about vermin such as Mengele? We have to remember what he and others did. But now, it’s possible he’s going to crush someone (his own daughter) from beyond the grave. Unless, she inherited his views. I pray she did not. And I pray for her.

There is a poll about Mengele’s daughter at http://www.misterpoll.com/3708044159.html

Check it out.

Welcome to the forum KD

LEt there be many blue bars be heading your way.

I think I'd die...! Knowing your old man was Doctor death and the insane things he done to those poor innocent people. The man was worse the Baron von Frankenstein..! I hope they leave this poor girl in peace.

Learn to deal with it.

Id learn to deal with it..

the mengle family still own a huge pharmacutecial company in germany,if she can prove she is his daughter,she,ll inherit millions.

Well then, she may not be so sorry ti be his daughter now!

Heil Hitler!

JUST KIDDING!

Well, I suppose I would a little conflicted. He made all those poor people suffer, but did a lot for the medical world and with that knowledge probably saved a lot of lifes. I would twitch for a bit, then I would write a book about my feelings and sell it to the world for millions and millions. Then sit on a beach, drink a beer and laugh at the world for caring who my father was.

Thanx for the welcome message. It's much appreciated!!!

AS a back-up to the article I posted on Mengele's daughter. There is a poll about it at http://www.misterpoll.com/3708044159.html. You may be interested in voting on.

I think that in western society there is not much scope for the "Sins of the Fathers". So in that respect there is nothing to be proud of and nothing to be ashamed of either. You are who you are and not what your mother or father or anyone else is. Oh and welcome to the forum.

i have never read one line or a story anywhere on what happened to dr mengeles records after auschwitz was liberated!has anybody here?i wonder just where those medical files and experimental notes ended up?

[B] [COLOR=purple]Thankyou Vox for welcoming me to the Forum. I think this is an excellent site, which I'll be recommending to many others! K D

I have never actually read an answer to that question. I've heard a decent few rumors though. The first and most obvious one was that they were destroyed. I have also heard said that the Americans got them and actually used them to advance their own knowledge of genetics. I doubt, very, very much, that Dr. Mengele could have smuggled them out and that they somehow wound up in Paraguay or Brazil!

I have a friend who might be able to answer the question. That's if it can be answered. I'll e-mail him and see what he says. If I get any results. I'll post them here.

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[QUOTE]According to the source. The child tracked her birth mother down in the early ’90’s. The mother “freaked”. She acknowledged that she was indeed her mother but didn’t want to meet her, but gave her some information regarding her background. But nothing was published as to exactly what. The girl/woman probably is unaware of who her father is(?)

The child had enclosed a few snapshots. One being a close-up of herself and the second, of her 2 children; A baby girl and a toddler son. The mother was quoted as commenting on how the child had an “eerie and uncanny” resemblence to Josef Mengele. That she had “hauntingly beautiful blue eyes”. But what affected the mother more was that both Mengele and his daughter had a mole on the left side of their faces, in almost an identical position. The child had blonde hair, whereas Mengele’s was darker. Otherwise, apparently she was said to have a very strong resemblence to her infamous father.[/QUOTE]


I obtained a little more information via another site.

It appears that now the child's mother has got wind of the story and vanished from the face of the Earth. AKA Gone into hiding just like Josef Mengele! The author of that article said it was believed she high-tailed it to the Barossa Valley in the State of South Australia. There is a large German community there. Possibly even some friends or relatives of her family.

It seems the temperature's rising. And "Mommy Dearest's" is close to breaking the thermometer.

Welcome to UM

Yes. I agree with you, Vox, about 'the sins of the father'. Unfortunately, some folk become so obsessed with things. They can't see the wood for the trees!

I don't think films like, "The Boys From Brazil", help either. Sure, it was fiction. But the concept of cloning humans certainly isn't. And I am 99.9% certain that it has already been done somewhere. Do you agree?

Speaking of science fiction. Have you heard the theory that some neo-Nazi groups actually believe? That being that Adolf Hitler is alive and well and living on Venus!
I'm not joking. Some people and I don't mean just a few hundred either, really do believe in this. There's passages in books about it.

Back to what I was originally saying. Finding Mengele's daughter is also, unfortunately, a way of keeping the memory of what he did alive. I strongly oppose this. As what people are doing in using this method, is creating another victim.

Thanx for the welcome. I really like this forum!

How the daughter of Josef Mengele can trace herself.

Living in Australia myself. I have a fascination with this story. While each site I have found anything relating to Mengele's daughter on. Has always had the main points. But some of the less 'interesting to the public' details may be found on only one or two sites. It's like putting a jigsaw puzzle together.
I have no doubt there are sites I have not accessed with other 'small' details that others have decided not to add or are not aware of.
Therefore I want to put all the pices of the puzzle, I am aware of here. If someone discovers something I have not. Please add it to this.

1. The child's mother, referred to as "V"; allegedly being the first letter of her first name. Travelled with her mother "A" and her older brother, who no initial is assigned to; to a German colony in Paraguay. This was in mid 1960. Though no date is specified.

2. "V"'s mother is German. There is nothing whatsoever mentioned about her father.
There are intimations that the mother's reason for visiting that colony was to see relatives and/or friends, who, like Mengele, may have been hiding there.

3."V', aged 23 at the time had an affair with a male who was also living in that colony.
It is believed she was not aware of this man's true identity. But that her mother was. (Her mother is now deceased).

4. "V" returns to Australia. To discover she was pregnant. Abortion wasn't an option. "V" had no intention of keeping the baby. "A" let someone in the colony, possibly Mengele himself, know what had happened. "A" was asked if she would raise the child. But she declined. So, adoption negotiations ensued.

5. Mengele, whose parents were strict Catholics, as were "V"'s. Despite being a lapsed Catholic himself. Either in honor of his parents or in the belief that the child would be brought up better in a religious home. Made it a condition that the adoptive parents were Catholic. There was a second condition. That being that the parents were white.
Because there were conditions set. This turned it into a private adoption which would be worked out through lawyers rather then the relevent government department in Australia.

6. The child,a girl, was born a month early, in 1961, in the state of Victoria, Australia. Mengele was let know, most likely by "A", the now grandmother of the baby girl. Mengele was believed to have said, "an early birthday present" or "another early birthday present". Josef Mengele was born on March 16. His son, Rolf was born on March 11. Most articles, I've seen have implied from that, that the child would have to have been born between March 1 and March 15, 1961. I don't think they can narrow it down quite so far and in my opinion. I would suggest a time frame of between February 20 and March 15. For those with an interest in astrology, this means that the child is almost certainly a Piscean, like her father and half-brother.

7. The child wasn't adopted until August 1961. She was then referred to as "J". The name the adoptive parents gaves her's first initial.

8. "V" discovered the father of her child's true identity sometime in the 70's. She was said to have "freaked" and started consuming large amounts of alcohol.

9. When certain laws regarding adoption information, were reformed in the state in which the child was born. The child attempted to trace her mother. She succeeded.
Enclosing a close-up photo of herself and another with her two children. They were described as a boy toddler and a female baby.

10. "V" was very uneasy about the "eerie, uncanny" resemblance her daughter had to Mengele. Telling her confidente, a close family member. That her child had the same "hauntingly beautiful blue eyes" and was dumbfounded by the fact that the child had a mole on her left cheek in an almost identical place to where Mengele also had one. The one difference was the daughter had blonde hair, whereas Mengele's was considerably darker. The mother wrote to her Sydney based daughter, acknowledging she was indeed her mother, but that she did not want a meeting. That she had never had any other children and had never married.

11. The fact that she had two children in that picture from the early 90's. Does not mean she hasn't had more children since.

12. There was no futher contact between mother and daughter.

13. At some stage before this story surfaced. The child's mother and the close relative, who was her confidente and knew everything from the pregnancy, to the father's identity, to the girl tracing her. Had a falling out of a huge magnitude. It was over a large amount of money. The cofidente was clearly cheated out of what she deserved and after several years fighting it. Ended up with nothing. So gave or sold the story, as an act of, to her mind, justified revenge. And intimated that it was her intention the mother find out what she'd done. Contact her to discuss the possibility of her releasing much more specific information. Full names etc. In order that the mother is so fearful of that, that she would give the confidente the amount of money she was denied.

14. It has been reported that the mother did here of the story and fled to the Barossa Valley, in the state of South Australia, where there is a large German community. This implies she has no intention of repaying her confidente. So it is posible that a much more detailed article will appear in time.

I hope sincerely that the child traces herself as it's inconceivable to think of how she may be affected if told by the media, for instance!

Josef Mengele
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Josef MengeleDr. Josef Mengele (March 16, 1911–February 7, 1979) was a Nazi physician who performed experiments that were condemned as murderously sadistic on prisoners in Auschwitz. He personally selected over 400,000 prisoners to die in gas chambers in Auschwitz.

Mengele's nickname was Beppo; he was called the Angel of Death by camp inmates.

Mengele was born in Günzburg, Bavaria, eldest of three sons of Karl Mengele (1881–1959) and his wife Walburga (d.1946), well-to-do industrialists. His younger brothers were Karl Mengele (1912–1949) and Alois Mengele (1914–1974). In 1926, Josef Mengele was diagnosed with osteomyelitis. Osteomyelitis is a bacterial infection of bone and bone marrow which causes inflammation and can lead to a reduction of blood supply to the bone. Josef studied medicine and anthropology at the University of Munich, the University of Vienna and the University of Bonn. At Munich he obtained a doctorate in Anthropology (Ph.D.) with a dissertation in 1935 on racial differences in the structure of the lower jaw, supervised by Prof. Theodor Mollison. After his exams he went to Frankfurt, working as an assistant to Otmar von Verschuer at the Frankfurt University Institute of Hereditary Biology and Racial Hygiene. In 1938 he obtained a doctorate in medicine with a dissertation on "Clan examinations at lip-jaw-palate-cleft."

In 1932, at the age of 21, Mengele joined the Stahlhelm, Bund der Frontsoldaten (Steel Helmet, League of Front Soldiers); this organization was incorporated into the SA in 1933, but Mengele resigned shortly thereafter, alluding to health problems. He applied for Nazi party membership in 1937 and in 1938 he joined the SS. In 1939, Mengele married his first wife, Irene Schoenbein. From 1938 to 1939 he served for six months with a specially trained mountain light infantry regiment. In 1940 he was placed in the reserve medical corps, following which he served with a Waffen-SS unit. In 1942 he was wounded at the Russian front and was pronounced medically unfit for combat, and promoted to the rank of SS-Hauptsturmführer (Captain). His next assignment was at Auschwitz, where he replaced another doctor who had fallen ill. On May 24, 1943 he became medical officer of Auschwitz-Birkenau's so-called gypsy camp. In August 1944, this camp was liquidated and all its inmates gassed. Subsequently Mengele became Chief Medical Officer of the main infirmary camp at Birkenau. He was not, though, the Chief Medical Officer of Auschwitz - superior to him was SS-Standortarzt (garrison physician) Eduard Wirths.


Josef MengeleIt was during his 21-month stay at Auschwitz that Dr. Mengele achieved infamy, and it is for this period that he was later referred to as the "Angel of Death". Mengele was usually part of the medical delegation which met incoming prisoners, determining which would be retained for work and experimentation, and which would be sent immediately to the gas chambers.

Of particular interest to Mengele were twins; beginning in 1943, twins were selected and placed in special barracks. Almost all of Mengele's experiments were of dubious scientific value, ignoring the lack of ethics involved, including attempts to change eye color by injecting chemicals into children's eyes, various amputations and other brutal surgeries, and in at least one case attempting to create an artificial conjoined twin by sewing the veins in two twins together; this operation was not successful and only caused the hands of the children to become badly infected. Subjects of Mengele's experiments were almost always murdered afterward for dissection, if they survived the experiment itself.

Josef Mengele left Auschwitz and went to Gross-Rosen concentration camp. In April 1945, he fled westward disguised as a member of the regular German infantry. He was captured as a POW and held near Nuremberg. He was released by the Allies, who had no idea that he was in their midst. After hiding as a farm laborer in Upper Bavaria, Mengele departed for Argentina in 1949, where many other fleeing Nazi officials had also sought refuge. Mengele divorced his wife Irene, and in 1958 married his brother Karl's widow, Martha. She and her son moved to Argentina to join Mengele for a time, although both returned to Europe only a few years later.

His family at home backed him financially and he prospered in the 1950s, first operating a toy-workshop and later was an associate in a small pharmaceutical enterprise. After this short period, however, Mengele lived rather poorly. In 1959 he went to Paraguay, and from 1960 he lived in Brazil until his death in 1979, when he suffered a stroke while swimming in the ocean and drowned.

Despite international efforts to track him down, he was never apprehended and lived for 35 years hiding under various aliases. Adolf Eichmann's capture and trial by Israel prompted Mengele's fears and frequent movements, and the Mossad tracked him for a time, but Israel's efforts were directed towards normalizing relations with Paraguay and fighting enemies closer to home. He was not tracked down by Nazi hunters until 1985, when his body was found and identified after a combined effort of American, West German and South American authorities. In 1992, DNA tests confirmed his identity.

Mengele has also been used as a fictionalized literary and movie character, featured prominently in The Boys from Brazil and as part of an amalgam of Nazi doctors in Marathon Man. He was the subject matter of the song Angel of Death, the opening track on Slayer's 1986 album, Reign in Blood.

Mengele is believed to have an illegitimate daughter born to an Australian woman of German lineage. After a liaison between the two when the woman, aged 23, and her mother and brother, visited the German Colony in Paraguay in mid-1960. The child was born in Melbourne, Australia. Most likely between March 1 - 15, 1961. She was adopted privately.

Mengele also received an iron cross first class, and an iron cross second class, for bravery in combat.

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See also
Nazi human experimentation
Doctors' Trial
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External links
A detailed profile in the Crime Library (http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/history/mengele/index_1.htm)
A timeline of his life (http://history1900s.about.com/library/holocaust/blmengele.htm)
Chicago Tribune Magazine: "How Nazi war criminal Josef Mengele cheated justice for 34 years" (http://www.posner.com/articles/mengele.htm) by Gerald Posner and John Ware
Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_Mengele"
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I read a theory once, that no doubt some nutjobs on here believe, that all the nazi leaders escaped the allies and went to live in the south american jungle, i think it was argentina, to create the next generation and prepare for a second crack, where do people get this stuff honestly?

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Yes. That sounds like once almighty load of crap. The only confirmed Nazi 'leaders' or at least prominent Nazis confirmed to have been in South America were: Josef Mengele, Adolf Eichmann, Franz Stangl, and Klaus Barbie.

There were always rumors about Martin Bormann. But never any actual evidence and it's far more likely he was killed in the final assault on Berlin.

Paraguay and Argentina were popular hiding places because of their governments. Brazil had a German community on the border with Paraguay and Argentina.

Hiding was the number one agenda...Not creating a Fourth Reich!

bormann's remains were found in the 1970s by a german constuction site were'nt they?the movie"the boys from brazil"is about dr mengele,and the nazi headquarters are in south america.great film. i recall reading somewhere there are more germans living in south america now,than there are living in germany.

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Yes. I think they found some of Bormann's remains in such a way, amid the ruins of Berlin. I'm not sure when though.

I've seen The Boys From Brazil too. They should have made a sequel about when the boys grew up! Gregory Peck played Josef Mengele. It was sure a different kind of role for him. But he did a damn good job. And I think he should have been the one nominated for an Oscar and not Laurence Olivier.

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The latest news re Mengele's daughter is that a woman, who believes she could be his daughter, is trying to contact her Birth mother's confidente. The one who gave the story to the public. To see if it indeed could be her.

It made me think. How many people could fit the description given already?

Hi All!

I was doing a bit of research this morning and I discovered the answer re your question about Mengele's files. Apparanlty they were divided up between the US, England and the Soviet Union.

So much for ethics! Hypocrites!

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I agree with you totally! It's quite apparent from some of the articles that it was Josef Mengele who arranged for her to be adopted into a good home environment.
And yes, the quote of him saying about the "early Birthday present".

As for his family being wealthy. Because she was legally adopted. I believe she would have no claim to any.

If Josef Mengele were my father. I would look at Mengele - the person, the father, and not what he did during WW2.

Hmmm! That just made me wonder about something. If his daughter is now aware of her identity and has sent a letter to the Mengele family in Guenzburg, Bavaria. Where Josef was born. I'll bet she's been surfing the Internet. I think everyone has a computer these days and there's always Internet Cafes. I wonder if it's possible she may have joined a few sites which have mentioned her.

That'd be a hoot. She could be reading this article, for all I know! If she is. I wish her nothing but happiness.