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JustNormal
I am asking a serious question here for once. Why is it we see, so many images out of our peripheral vision as opposed to dead on (no pun intended). Seems to happen to all of us at one time or another. I know about the frontal lobe and how it works so I am not really asking for the medical reason, but the paranormal answer. Also does it make a difference which eye we see something out of peripherally? Thanks..JN.. blink.gif
Barek Halfhand
QUOTE(JustNormal @ Jul 13 2007, 08:14 PM) *
I am asking a serious question here for once. Why is it we see, so many images out of our peripheral vision as opposed to dead on (no pun intended). Seems to happen to all of us at one time or another. I know about the frontal lobe and how it works so I am not really asking for the medical reason, but the paranormal answer. Also does it make a difference which eye we see something out of peripherally? Thanks..JN.. blink.gif
Why do we roll our eyes back when we go into a trance?.....B








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Primeval
Don't we have a blind spot in one of our eyes?
JustNormal
QUOTE(Barek Halfhand @ Jul 14 2007, 01:22 AM) *
Why do we roll our eyes back when we go into a trance?.....B
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I dunno I have never gone into a trance.... no.gif
JustNormal
QUOTE(Primeval @ Jul 14 2007, 01:25 AM) *
Don't we have a blind spot in one of our eyes?


Maybe so, but I see them out of both eyes, not at the same time anyway..I am too curious for my own good LOL... yes.gif
Watchful
You know, on that thought of the blind spot, I think we have something. I think it has to do with the way our eyes are and how our eyes recieve pictures and sight. It's like trying to view a distant star in the night sky. You stare at the star straight on, and it's not as bright as if you see it from the corner of your eye, or your peripheral vision, if you will. Maybe that is why we catch motion of the paranormal from our peripheral vision, because it is strong to view things then from straight on.



I could be wrong....*shrugs*
JustNormal
QUOTE(Stubbly_Dooright @ Jul 14 2007, 02:08 AM) *
You know, on that thought of the blind spot, I think we have something. I think it has to do with the way our eyes are and how our eyes recieve pictures and sight. It's like trying to view a distant star in the night sky. You stare at the star straight on, and it's not as bright as if you see it from the corner of your eye, or your peripheral vision, if you will. Maybe that is why we catch motion of the paranormal from our peripheral vision, because it is strong to view things then from straight on.
I could be wrong....*shrugs*


Thanks, good theory. I read somewhere long ago, that the brain refuses to accept it, and or the spirit cannot show itself in full form to the eyes. Yet there are many people who look directly at apparitions and things of that nature. I can see lots of things with both eyes, but when it comes to dark shadows, huge black orbs they are always out of the corner of my left eye, never with my right. I had a complete eye exam to rule out anything, and they are not floaters. So maybe it's their was of being noticed, just not "seen?" JN--
pinOi32
I see shadow people with my peripheral vision in my house! dontgetit.gif

It's creepy.
JustNormal
QUOTE(pinOi32 @ Jul 14 2007, 02:25 AM) *
I see shadow people with my peripheral vision in my house! dontgetit.gif

It's creepy.


I am at the point it doesnt even creep me out anymore. I just wonder why out of the corner of our eyes? cool.gif
Nocturnal
Haha.. I know you don't want to hear a medical reason.. but .. you know your eye has rods and cones .. well the cones (for day vision) are focused to the middle .. rods are your peripheral vision and night vision. Might not be just a coincidence that people see ghosts mostly at night and in the periphery. (Quick Edit to Add)Also since your peripheral/night vision is in shades of black and blues.. not full color.. it might be why they appear as 'shadow' people.. since if you see them with that part of your eye, you couldn't detect color even if it was there

For paranormal reasons (ok this isnt really paranormal..).. maybe it's because we focus too hard on what's in front of us our mind just locks in on what we expect. In the periphery it's more relaxed. That's why when you try and focus on it you lose it.
Barek Halfhand
QUOTE(Nocturnal @ Jul 13 2007, 09:34 PM) *
Haha.. I know you don't want to hear a medical reason.. but .. you know your eye has rods and cones .. well the cones (for day vision) are focused to the middle .. rods are your peripheral vision and night vision. Might not be just a coincidence that people see ghosts mostly at night and in the periphery. (Quick Edit to Add)Also since your peripheral/night vision is in shades of black and blues.. not full color.. it might be why they appear as 'shadow' people.. since if you see them with that part of your eye, you couldn't detect color even if it was there

For paranormal reasons (ok this isnt really paranormal..).. maybe it's because we focus too hard on what's in front of us our mind just locks in on what we expect. In the periphery it's more relaxed. That's why when you try and focus on it you lose it.
what isn't really paranormal Mr Nocturnal ?......B





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JustNormal
QUOTE(Nocturnal @ Jul 14 2007, 02:34 AM) *
Haha.. I know you don't want to hear a medical reason.. but .. you know your eye has rods and cones .. well the cones (for day vision) are focused to the middle .. rods are your peripheral vision and night vision. Might not be just a coincidence that people see ghosts mostly at night and in the periphery. (Quick Edit to Add)Also since your peripheral/night vision is in shades of black and blues.. not full color.. it might be why they appear as 'shadow' people.. since if you see them with that part of your eye, you couldn't detect color even if it was there

For paranormal reasons (ok this isnt really paranormal..).. maybe it's because we focus too hard on what's in front of us our mind just locks in on what we expect. In the periphery it's more relaxed. That's why when you try and focus on it you lose it.



LOL are you a photographer or an Opthalmologist? Yea know Hun, I was a nurse and EMT for over 11 years and I know my stuff. I know blind spots, cones and rods and all that crap. I see them during the day and at night, but not all the time of course (thank God)..Ok so lets say you are sitting in your living room watching TV, or reading, or playing on the puter. All the sudden out of the corner of your eye you see something go past a door faster than you eye can see. Then you look and POOF its gone. When I go to my room to go to bed, I wont even begin to explain what I see, or what I have here..I can see the entire ceiling turn darker and darker till its all black, even tho it is illumated by a light in another room. I can see HUGE white and or black orbs going up and down the walls hovering over my bed,which is not a comfort. In any case, what I am trying to say is, I see alot of things the average person doesnt see, so why "sometimes" out of my peripheral vision. Debunk that LOL..
Jennie 1
QUOTE(JustNormal @ Jul 13 2007, 10:06 PM) *
LOL are you a photographer or an Opthalmologist? Yea know Hun, I was a nurse and EMT for over 11 years and I know my stuff. I know blind spots, cones and rods and all that crap. I see them during the day and at night, but not all the time of course (thank God)..Ok so lets say you are sitting in your living room watching TV, or reading, or playing on the puter. All the sudden out of the corner of your eye you see something go past a door faster than you eye can see. Then you look and POOF its gone. When I go to my room to go to bed, I wont even begin to explain what I see, or what I have here..I can see the entire ceiling turn darker and darker till its all black, even tho it is illumated by a light in another room. I can see HUGE white and or black orbs going up and down the walls hovering over my bed,which is not a comfort. In any case, what I am trying to say is, I see alot of things the average person doesnt see, so why "sometimes" out of my peripheral vision. Debunk that LOL..



You tell people that you are seeing things (not just things, but your ceiling going black and black and white orbs moving up and down the walls) out of the corner of your eye and then, when someone offers you a perfectly good explanation you get all pissy.

You claim that you love questions and alternative solutions but when someone offers them to you, you always have something smart to say and that challenge of "debunk that!". Your stories have been debunked over and over again but you never seem to notice it.

My suggestion to you, would be psychological counseling.
The things you are seeing out of the corner of your eyes is the least of your problems!
JustNormal
QUOTE(cyqe @ Jul 14 2007, 04:04 AM) *
You tell people that you are seeing things (not just things, but your ceiling going black and black and white orbs moving up and down the walls) out of the corner of your eye and then, when someone offers you a perfectly good explanation you get all pissy.

You claim that you love questions and alternative solutions but when someone offers them to you, you always have something smart to say and that challenge of "debunk that!". Your stories have been debunked over and over again but you never seem to notice it.

My suggestion to you, would be psychological counseling.
The things you are seeing out of the corner of your eyes is the least of your problems!


I was kidding with Nocturnal and I believe he knows that. I asked for paranormal explanation not optical/medical. I understand you are angry because no one talks to you on here and you are full of anger so I do honestly believe due to your memory issues and other things, you could try psychological couseling along with some anger management classes. Dubunk that my friend.. wacko.gif
Subtemperate
Alright, please stop with mental health checks in the forums.... If you don't agree with someones point of view, state your own and leave it be... Calling someones mental health into question does nothing but put the person who said it in a negative light.


Let it go and get back to the subject at hand please.
Please Explain
QUOTE(JustNormal @ Jul 14 2007, 03:06 AM) *
I was a nurse and EMT for over 11 years and I know my stuff.

My wife is a Nurse for 40 years. She said cut your eyelashes and you won't see shadow person. lol
JustNormal
QUOTE(Please Explain @ Jul 14 2007, 12:46 PM) *
My wife is a Nurse for 40 years. She said cut your eyelashes and you won't see shadow person. lol



LOL Now there's a pretty good solution... laugh.gif
BRAT2
QUOTE(Please Explain @ Jul 14 2007, 05:46 AM) *
My wife is a Nurse for 40 years. She said cut your eyelashes and you won't see shadow person. lol



straight to the point!! laugh.gif thumbsup.gif laugh.gif
spiridion
I can give you an anthropological reason. It comes from thousands of years ago when humans, (and human ancestors,) were not just hunters, but also prey. We had to be able to react to an ambush from an attacking animal, so we are actually better able to detect quick movements out of our peripheral vision than dead on, as many attacking animals pounce from a hiding place in order to catch their prey.

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bio-evoIt's easy to understand why peripheral vision would have been preserved in human evolution. As a prey species, humans have long had an urgent, compelling need to look around their world and monitor the periphery. Survival in a mosaic grassland would have required a comprehensive, wide-angle visual scan. Dangers can be anywhere: left or right, above or below, in front or behind. If you focus in one place for too long, you become vulnerable to attack from some other direction. Ideally, you'd have two overlapping sensibilities; one to focus on the center of attention, another to monitor the neighborhood. Given the demands of their environment, we can assume that primal humans used their vision in a comprehensive manner, a rough balance between peripheral and focused vision. They focused on objects of attention of course, but they also kept a broad scan going. They concentrated on food, friends and other curiosities, but they always maintained peripheral sensitivity. This is the default use of vision, the natural use of the human eye.


(I know, I'm a big dork, but I love this stuff!) whistling2.gif

eta: OT, but I'm all excited! I'm an appairiton and not ectoplasmic residue anymore!!! grin2.gif

(I know, I'm still a dork.) tongue.gif
BRAT2
QUOTE(spiridion @ Jul 14 2007, 04:48 PM) *
I can give you an anthropological reason. It comes from thousands of years ago when humans, (and human ancestors,) were not just hunters, but also prey. We had to be able to react to an ambush from an attacking animal, so we are actually better able to detect quick movements out of our peripheral vision than dead on, as many attacking animals pounce from a hiding place in order to catch their prey.

c&p from www.goanimal.com
(I know, I'm a big dork, but I love this stuff!) whistling2.gif

eta: OT, but I'm all excited! I'm an appairiton and not ectoplasmic residue anymore!!! grin2.gif

(I know, I'm still a dork.) tongue.gif



hey thats ok cause im a dork too!! geek.gif grin2.gif
JustNormal
QUOTE(spiridion @ Jul 14 2007, 11:48 PM) *
I can give you an anthropological reason. It comes from thousands of years ago when humans, (and human ancestors,) were not just hunters, but also prey. We had to be able to react to an ambush from an attacking animal, so we are actually better able to detect quick movements out of our peripheral vision than dead on, as many attacking animals pounce from a hiding place in order to catch their prey.

c&p from www.goanimal.com
(I know, I'm a big dork, but I love this stuff!) whistling2.gif

eta: OT, but I'm all excited! I'm an appairiton and not ectoplasmic residue anymore!!! grin2.gif

(I know, I'm still a dork.) tongue.gif


Thank you ((((((((((Sp))))))))))))) Very good theory. By the way Congrats, its so nice to see you as an appariton...LOL....You are so not a dork, you are very smart.. thumbsup.gif
JustNormal
QUOTE(mom4 @ Jul 15 2007, 12:02 AM) *
hey thats ok cause im a dork too!! geek.gif grin2.gif


No you aren't, you are a "remote viewer" how cool is that?
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MasterPo
I've heard 2 theories:

1) It has something to do with the angles of light. Shadows (and ghosts) are more 2D than 3D (in theory). Looking at a shadow or ghost head on you'd barely see a very very very thin edge. They can only be well seen from the sides. Ever read the book "Flat Land"? It's a classic story of life in a 2D world!!

2) Physically, our eyes are structured with the greatest concentration of light sensing cells grouped towards the middle of the retena. Especially color sensing cells. In theory some people are more sensetive to stray light coming in thier eyes from an angle and hitting the very edge of the retena where mostly B&W cells are and not very concentrated. The brain interprets these fleeting slight light signals as shadows.

JustNormal
QUOTE(MasterPo @ Jul 15 2007, 11:23 PM) *
I've heard 2 theories:

1) It has something to do with the angles of light. Shadows (and ghosts) are more 2D than 3D (in theory). Looking at a shadow or ghost head on you'd barely see a very very very thin edge. They can only be well seen from the sides. Ever read the book "Flat Land"? It's a classic story of life in a 2D world!!

2) Physically, our eyes are structured with the greatest concentration of light sensing cells grouped towards the middle of the retena. Especially color sensing cells. In theory some people are more sensetive to stray light coming in thier eyes from an angle and hitting the very edge of the retena where mostly B&W cells are and not very concentrated. The brain interprets these fleeting slight light signals as shadows.



Thank you MP, I knew there had to be some sort of rational kind of reason..JN- thumbsup.gif
Watchful
QUOTE(MasterPo @ Jul 15 2007, 07:23 PM) *
2) Physically, our eyes are structured with the greatest concentration of light sensing cells grouped towards the middle of the retena. Especially color sensing cells. In theory some people are more sensetive to stray light coming in thier eyes from an angle and hitting the very edge of the retena where mostly B&W cells are and not very concentrated. The brain interprets these fleeting slight light signals as shadows.


Now, I am wondering if that shadow figure going down my stairs at the house in Jersey is something I actually saw. Though, much I doubt a lot of fleeting motion I see out of the corner of my eye, that shadow was very pronounced. Though, this bit of info is very good to know. original.gif
MasterPo
QUOTE(Stubbly_Dooright @ Jul 15 2007, 11:02 PM) *
Now, I am wondering if that shadow figure going down my stairs at the house in Jersey is something I actually saw. Though, much I doubt a lot of fleeting motion I see out of the corner of my eye, that shadow was very pronounced. Though, this bit of info is very good to know. original.gif


I recently attended a presentation by a doctor on the subject of, amoung other things shadows, and this is how he explained the majority of sightings. I think he may have a good point. Most sightings are corner-of-ther-eye events.

I also personally think just tired eyes and distracted minds account for a lot of claimed sightings, especially in low light and dark conditions.
JustNormal
QUOTE(MasterPo @ Jul 16 2007, 03:16 AM) *
I recently attended a presentation by a doctor on the subject of, amoung other things shadows, and this is how he explained the majority of sightings. I think he may have a good point. Most sightings are corner-of-ther-eye events.

I also personally think just tired eyes and distracted minds account for a lot of claimed sightings, especially in low light and dark conditions.



Good post and to be honest I have seen just about everything but never an apparition in full form, and really dont care to. However there are those who can see them, in full form, not sure why they just do and can. If you read the other thread about seeing things on a road, it seems commonplace for many to see a person on a highway or street, and feel they ran them over, but there is no evidence to validate damage to the vehicle or any blood or anything at the scene. I think or at least my opinion is, spirits are all over the place. They sneak around, some make themselves known by auditory only or visual peripherally, then there are those that just make themselves seen by many. Guess we may never know the answers to all these questions, till we are dead, then its too late to share, or is it? w00t.gif
Lonecat
QUOTE(Subtemperate @ Jul 14 2007, 06:33 AM) *
Alright, please stop with mental health checks in the forums.... If you don't agree with someones point of view, state your own and leave it be... Calling someones mental health into question does nothing but put the person who said it in a negative light.
Let it go and get back to the subject at hand please.


I agree here. Getting back to peripheral vision, I have always thought and understood that it is a product of evolution and developed in the eyes of all creatures WITH eyes as a guard against predators. The deer is drinking at a pool and is looking directly at what he is drinking, for safety's sake. The lion tries stealthily to creep up on the deer but the deer's survival instinct is aided by that extra warning that comes from a well developed "corner-of-the eye" vision and can make his escape. I believe it is a bit like that sense that all of us creatures have developed that tells us when someone is standing right behind us. We sense this because it may be a threat from a predator.
Please Explain
Alright, while i was reading here i always check my back coz i'm alone in our study room. I feel there's someone watching me.
Now i have to switch off the light in the kitchen before i go to bed but i have to turn all the lights in the hallway just in case someone tap my back. I'm getting paranoid because of this peripheral vision of mine. It's always better to get ready just in case something happen. How i wish i will survive the night and wait till tomorrow. I'm always in war with the ghost.
JustNormal
QUOTE(Please Explain @ Jul 16 2007, 02:28 PM) *
Alright, while i was reading here i always check my back coz i'm alone in our study room. I feel there's someone watching me.
Now i have to switch off the light in the kitchen before i go to bed but i have to turn all the lights in the hallway just in case someone tap my back. I'm getting paranoid because of this peripheral vision of mine. It's always better to get ready just in case something happen. How i wish i will survive the night and wait till tomorrow. I'm always in war with the ghost.


AWWWWWWWWWWW PE, I hate that you feel you are at war with a spirit. Just remember one thing, a human spirit cannot hurt you, but they can startle and frightening you, possibly touch you but thats it. You are stronger than IT, so try to remember that. Getting ready and waiting for it, makes for very little sleep, I know that first hand. For whatever its worth, I say, to relax say a quiet prayer to yourself and "try" not to be scared, as some feed off of that, plus your imagination plays tricks on you when so tired, and vulnerable before bed..Deep breathing, and tell yourself "this is not real, I am going to sleep" over and over again. You would be surprised how quickly it can disappear from your life. Pleasant dreams..JN- sleepy.gif
Barek Halfhand
QUOTE(spiridion @ Jul 14 2007, 06:48 PM) *
(I know, I'm a big dork, but I love this stuff!) whistling2.gif

eta: OT, but I'm all excited! I'm an appairiton and not ectoplasmic residue anymore!!! grin2.gif

(I know, I'm still a dork.) tongue.gif

I'm not sure my title as a "Poltergeist" is meant as complimentory hmm.gif ......B





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coldethyl
QUOTE(JustNormal @ Jul 13 2007, 08:14 PM) *
I am asking a serious question here for once. Why is it we see, so many images out of our peripheral vision as opposed to dead on (no pun intended). Seems to happen to all of us at one time or another. I know about the frontal lobe and how it works so I am not really asking for the medical reason, but the paranormal answer. Also does it make a difference which eye we see something out of peripherally? Thanks..JN.. blink.gif


Infra sound can cause vibrations of the eyeball which causes hallucinations in the peripheral vision.

Several years earlier, Tandy was working late in the "haunted" Warwick laboratory when he saw a gray thing coming for him. "I felt the hairs rise on the back of my neck," he said. "It seemed to be between me and the door, so the only thing I could do was turn and face it."* But the thing disappeared. However, it reappeared in a different form the next day when Tandy was doing some work on his fencing foil. "The handle was clamped in a vice on a workbench, yet the blade started vibrating like mad," he said. He wondered why the blade vibrated in one part of room but not in another. The explanation, he discovered, was that infrasound was coming from an extractor fan. "When we finally switched it off, it was as if a huge weight was lifted," he said. "It makes me think that one of the applications of this ongoing research could be a link between infrasound and sick-building syndrome." When he measured the infrasound in the laboratory, the showing was 18.98 hertz--the exact frequency at which a human eyeball starts resonating. The sound waves made his eyeballs resonate and produced an optical illusion: He saw a figure that didn't exist.*

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I'm not sure if it's because the figure didn't actually exist or if the eye was just vibrating at the level at which that "being" is vested in it's own dimension?

Different vibrations for different dimensions.
Vilius
We can see stuff with periphal vision because the center of our eyes is hardened up from constant use and the side of our eyes are more sensitive to other frequencys
JustNormal
QUOTE(Vilius @ Jul 19 2007, 07:17 PM) *
We can see stuff with periphal vision because the center of our eyes is hardened up from constant use and the side of our eyes are more sensitive to other frequencys


Interesting, thanks..JN-
Please Explain
This funny thing happened to me at work today.
I was assigned to another area and i'm the only one who work there.
I saw someone passing on my 45 degree vision and this person hides.
He thinks he can surprise me so i hide too and trying to surprise him first. But he never showed up.
I've searched everywhere but can't find this person.
I really do know i saw someone and it's not on the corner of my eye. No big deal for me whoever that person is.
It's a shadow person or not, who cares?
JustNormal
QUOTE(Please Explain @ Jul 20 2007, 02:20 PM) *
This funny thing happened to me at work today.
I was assigned to another area and i'm the only one who work there.
I saw someone passing on my 45 degree vision and this person hides.
He thinks he can surprise me so i hide too and trying to surprise him first. But he never showed up.
I've searched everywhere but can't find this person.
I really do know i saw someone and it's not on the corner of my eye. No big deal for me whoever that person is.
It's a shadow person or not, who cares?



Yes I understand. I see things out of the corner of my eye all the time. I am at the point I dont even question it any longer. Whatever it is, does not want to be seen, so no worries here either..JN
Please Explain
That's the first shadow person i've seen in my life.
But i always see "Elementals".
JustNormal
QUOTE(Please Explain @ Jul 20 2007, 02:58 PM) *
That's the first shadow person i've seen in my life.
But i always see "Elementals".


Cool but I cannot exactly say what I see out of my peripheral vision at times. Some of these things go so fast, there is not enough time to get any kind of image out of it, at least in my case, but sure happens more often than not..JN
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