Convict sues God for broken contract -

Claims deal made for divine protection from evil, 'instead he gave me to Satan' who caused murder

A man serving a 20-year sentence for murder has been rebuffed so far in his effort to sue God for breach of contract by failing to protect him from evil and turning him over to Satan who encouraged him to kill.

Pavel Mircea, 40, filed his lawsuit in the western Romanian town of Timisoara, charging God with failure to fulfill an agreement Micera alleged was made at his baptism.

"He was supposed to protect me from all evils and instead he gave me to Satan who encouraged me to kill," he charged.

In the lawsuit, Mircea listed "God, resident in heaven, represented in Romania by the Orthodox church" as the defendant, according to the Romanian daily Evenimentul Zilei.

God's alleged dereliction, according to Mircea including fraud, breach of trust, abuse of a position of authority and misappropriation of goods – all crimes, the plaintiff noted, under the Romanian criminal code.

Micera said that God had accepted his prayers and sacrificial offerings without providing any services in return.

Thus far, Micera is not getting an answer to his prayer to the court for relief, either.

The Timisoara public prosecutor rejected the case, saying God is not a person in the eyes of the law and does not have a legal address where he could be served with court papers.

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Oh my, just when I thought I'd seen it all. There was an Australian movie about a similar topic, starring Billy Connolly (funnily enough called "The Man Who Sued God"), but I never thought I'd see it in real life.

Though it does go to show that one should really consider reading the Bible in context before leaping to conclusions as to how to apply it to our life today. God never promises to keep us from evil, simple as that. He promises certain individuals (such as King David), but that does not mean that we should automatically assume he will keep us from harm.

Breach of contract? I think he needs to read that contract again........ or maybe he should just start taking responsibility for his own actions

~ Regards, PA

I laughed really hard when I read this. So does he want the church to pay up or does he want a check from heaven? I didn't read the whole article. Lol, that just goes to show the extent to which a convict will go to try and get justification for his actions

Or maybe he should have a throughout psychological examination done.

I'm considering reporting God as an accessory to murder.

Probably a bit of that also. Though he probably had that psych-test already

What a joker.

This is NUTS and proof how people can use religion for the WRONG purpose


HOWEVER..................saying that its nuts is ok lol....but all of you here that are christian, all believe that Satan IS the one that is responcible for making man do all that is evil, so when you look at it, he is no different, he is using it like a Monopoly -Get Out Of Jail FREE Card... it is what happens when religion brainwashes you too much

Many convicts do this....a lot will pick up a bible in prison to pretend they are changed and reformed..and now see the light.....its all a con IMO



But to sue God..LMAO yea ok..this reminds me of the nutter that wanted to sue a church...its crazy..but the world is full of them

I dont know, maybe some christians believe that Satan is responsible, but not all. In my opinion, it's the most spineless thing anyone can come up with. Even in 'Eden', Satan only suggested, enticed, but the decision was human. That reminds me of kids caught red handed, or with their hand stuck in the cookie jar & would whine " it's not my fault, my sis /bro/ cookies made me do it". Needless to say, when we commit something bad, it's God fault & the failure is his, but when we excel in something, we did it all unaided, he doesn't even exist!

Let me guess, the defendant gave no comment.

I wonder how he is planning to collect.

He must think the church will pay up

ALL christian believe Satan is responcible for anything that goes wrong, Satan is used as a tool for excuses

truth IS stranger than fiction......

Amazing how this guy only asked god for one little thing and god failed him.

Matthew 21:21/22

Jesus replied, "I tell you the truth, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and it will be done. If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer."
Source

Jesus lied his butt off to people. Now because Jesus lied, satan tempted this man into murder and god failed utterly.

Did it EVER occur to ANYONE that if the man was that religious...........then he was bound to have been FULLY aware of one of the 10 commandments - Thou Shalt not KILL...this is just a shot in the dark but he broke Gods commandments..and blames God for letting satan make him

What dont make sense is.................If God controlled all and never gave us a choice to descide for ourselves...then why would god create commandments to follow and abide by??

its OBVIOUS that by making these commandments, God is laying man down a CHOICE what to do....if you chose to break the commandments, you are to blameGod has left it up to you, to descide to listen to Satan (for those of you that think there is such a being as satan) or Listen to God himself

No prizes guessing who the weirdo listened to!!!

You should really look at context once in a while, Kratos. It does help, really it does

Read Zechariah chapter 4 some day, digest that passage, understand it, think of how this prophecy relates to the Messiah. Then look at Matthew 21 again and how the statement to the mountain, "Go, throw yourself into the sea" fits in with that prophecy, and the subsequent remark that whatever is asked for will be given. But then again, that requires contextual study. Good luck......

One of the problems is that in the Bible, at the same time as killing is persecuted, it's justified. God gives Samson (you know, that sinful long-hair guy) the power to slaughter thousands of his enemies. The OT laws obviously tell you to kill. God himself kills over and over again. Moses kills in Exodus.

You just can't say the Bible is anti-murder given its track record..

^But just because God gave certain individuals within the Bible the power to do these things, does this automatically mean that we in the modern world are also given the same power????? Or the right to do commit those acts????

Even after that Jesus said "If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer." He never limited it or implied it was limited to that "prophecy". But what Jesus did say to those people was that if whatever they asked, it shall be given to them. Since Jesus was a jew, you would expect him to steal from jewish religion to forge his new religion. Yet his words that were written even after using that example, are till that. Seems to me that he was talking so the people there could understand him better so he could gather more followers. Then making them promises so that they would stick with him.

Funny how when it suits christian needs, the OT is open for game night to be used, yet when the OT looks bad in some way "it's not literal or something".




This guy quite out there had the faith and he's saying that god failed to protect him from the devil even after he asked god for help... Yet that means nothing?

But hey, someone recovers from cancer... Everybody started patting god on the back screaming "way to go" and "thank you lord!!!". Double standards if you ask me.

*boldened relevant quoted*
That's where you're wrong. Anyone 2000 years ago listening to that prophecy would have understood it for what it was. It's only today when we have lost the understanding of Old Testament that these misunderstandings occur. I know it's easy for people to say that as a Christian I'm picking and choosing the Old Testament parts, but if you head over to my thread on the Spirituality, Religion and Beliefs board, you'll see that the Bible progressively reveals pieces of information. What is revealed in Judges or Chronicles cannot be treated the same as a passage from Zechariah or Jonah or Nehemiah. Read that thread, it might give you a better idea of how the Bible fits together, and thus how better to look at passages that you are reading.

Though to be fair, I should note first that many Christians - even preachers - have made the same mistake you have made about Matthew 21, Kratos, so you're not alone. I was just asking if you had considered looking at Zechariah 4, which going by your response you haven't.

~ Regards, Paranoid Android

Actually, no, BM. I believe individuals are responsible for their actions, and if you read the Bible, you will see that seems to be God's stance too. Yes, Satan, or his minions may tempt people, and they may actively participate or execute acts of evil, but he is not responsible for everything that goes wrong, people are personally responsible for quite a bit of what goes wrong with absolutely no help from Satan. I think you will find many Christians who believe that, but there are also Christians who believe like I do.

It means that "God" obviously doesn't have a problem with them.

Not all christians blame Satan for everything,I certainly dont; nor does the Bible mention any coercion by Satan. When Jesus was in the desert, the devil TEMPTED him, but did not force his hand. Some people use Satan as a lame infantile excuse instead of owning up to what they did. If they weren't christians, they'd find any other excuse/scapegoat " it's not my fault, he made me do it"!

Hope he gets a couple mill.

I did read it and I still think the same. You're only taking one phrase out of the entire chapter and then saying it applies to the rest of the chapter. He's still speaking in a way to convince people he's really what he claims and to get people to follow him by offering them a chance to get whatever they'd like through prayer. If you read Mattew, he's actively trying to convince people to listen to him.

IAMS I already KNOW people are SOLEY responcible....this is why i dont understand why Christians NEED to believe in a Satan.....and dont tell me no they dont, cuz without Satan, what else are you going to use as a scare tatic to those that dont follow Jesus? were do they go when they die then? are you going to say that Satan will only appear when you die?? and Satan will only ever interfere when you DIE?? cuz to say that, its cobblers no disrespect to you or anyone else. Satan does get blamed on all the evil...they all seem to state (when ever it suits them)..that Satan was playing in the minds of the bad people...hence he is to blame also

Satan doesnt take part in anything here on earth....WE DO and thats reality...not a belief...pure reality...each person a wittness

Here is a question --> Are you saying....that satan is only a convenient being to USE as and when required?What I mean is - only ever drag his name up, when you wanna get people to follow Jesus, and tell them the usual - Turn or burn? <--something along those lines, I think you get what I am trying to say

We live in a world that runs on opposites..good V's bad for example, and if you believe God has given you a choice what route to follow..well then dont you think that Satan is at one and and Jesus at the other..and its up to you what way to go??

If you believe this, then you believe Satan is partly to blame and plays a big part in it.....the main choice is whether or not you have the will to fight the temptations

As for me, I dont believe there is a satan

Oh Pavel.... ncncncnc.

That was funnaay!

This story was posted in the World of the Bizarre forum, but it's a different article I think.

From what I understood, they dropped the case because no one could provide God's physical address.

It's all just stupid legal wrangling stuff, and has nothing to do with religion or spirituality.

It's amazing this didn't happen in the US courts--I thought Americans were the only ones that made up totally frivolous lawsuits!!

Okay! That is just a bit rediculous on the prisoners part.

Prison has definitely caused this guy to lose it.

If this guy went to the bank with a check signed "God" he wouldn't get much! lol

IMO that's the most ridiculous statement I have ever heard you make. Satan has no responsibilty whatsoever when we commit a crime against God. It is our fault and our fault alone. And (in response to a later post of yours) we don't NEED to believe in Satan, we do because he's there. It's not like just because he doesn't really do that much doesn't mean he stops existing.

Well then smarty pants, if Satan has NO controll over us whatsoeverrrrrrrrrrrrr then y'all may stop this whole nonsense of - what will happen to you when you die cobblers

And remove the poor man from the bible too...quit using him as a scare tatic.. <---tell that to all of those christians that rant on about how bad satan is and how you must avioud his temptations and how you will join him in hell if you dont follow their leader

WHY? cuz he doesnt exist, thats why

PS you didnt hear me make any statement...open your peepers chum...you READ it..you didnt hear it

Y'all? I have never in my entire time on UM mentioned Satan except for in ONE post where I said "I must give Satan his props..."


He's not meant to be as a scare tactic, and he isn't used that way in the Bible.


Those people also believe the Bible calls itself the word of God, I doubt they'd get the details on Satan right.


To say that would be foolish. He's there, he just works as an agent of God. I am a deep conspirator when it comes down to contemplating God's ultimate plan and how evil fits in hehehe......if I had the blog still I'd PM it to you, but I deleted it because I kept getting negative comments about it.

Oh what are you guys talking about Satan? Ya he's real he was at my house the other night, we watched the lion king.
He cried like a girl when Simbas dad got crushed in that stampede. IMO he's a pretty nice guy.

We differ mainly about the extent of responsibility or blame we can ascribe to Satan. I am not saying that Satan is only a convenient being to use, what I am saying is that Satan has a limited influence. Satan cannot make people kill, or rape or steal etc. Satan can only entice or tempt people to do these things, but it remains THEIR decision to take a particular course of action. If Satan was responsible for the crimes we commit, then the concept of judgment or of our being held accountable becomes a totally absurd one. If we were forced, helpless, by Satan to kill, then we are as much victims as the one we killed, making any punishment or judgment unjust . It would be tantamount to punishing people because they got sick! When Jesus was with Satan in the desert, the only thing the latter could do was try to tempt Jesus to take a certain course of action, but not force him. The same for us, no matter what temptation we meet, it remains our decision to pick up a gun & shoot, our finger on the trigger not Satan's. Might as well face the consequences in a mature way.

Here is what I find so ironic...(imagine Satan as a real being)

Christian - Turn to Jesus and you will be saved..........stay clear of the evil one called Satan, he will twist your mind to get you to do what he wants....DONT listen to Satan...turn to Jesus, he will save you REPENT NOW or burn for all eternity

NEWS FLASH...man kills someone in cold blood...he says Satan twisted his mind, its Gods fault for allowing it...

Court is in session - Man (killer) V's Satan....the killers lawyer happens to be christian lol

C.Lawyer - Your honour...My client Satan is not guilty of this mans crime...he has nothing to do with it...Satan is completely innocent....INNOCENT I TELL YOU...he has not messed with his mind at all your honour....Satan takes nothing to do with us mere humans...he is soley responcible for his own actions...not satan..

Judge - Isn't it a religious belief, that Satan does (if you let him) mess with your mind, to tempt you to stay clear of Jesus? So would it be only fair to see this as part of this mans belief? he actually believed Satan was messing with his head....don't you people look for others to believe in your words and respect a persons belief?

C-Lawyer - ummmm satan had nothing to do with this, I am close to God and before this case came up, God appeared to me in a dream and told me Satan wasnt around tthat day, he was busy elsewere, so Satan couldnt have anything to do with it

Judge - So you want us to believe in your faith, but not his?

C.Lawyer - My faith makes more sense your honour

Passing sentence - Man gets 15 yrs in a mental home to get help...hopefully someone to clear his twisted lil mind

Ok I only made up the above for a joke..no harm done...but seriously though, its not right to sit and rant on about how bad Satan is and how we should stay clear of him, he will tempt you and try and get you to break Gods laws, so you will join him in hell <-------------------------dont say things like that IF you dont really believe Satan does interfer period!!!

I myself don't believe he doesn't interfere, I just don't think we should fear him. IMO, he works for God.

Its not foolish is disrespectful to what I believe...dont go there!!


IMO Satan doesnt exist...never did exist..and i can follow a God and lead a good life without having to believe there is such a being called satan...

AND further more he is used as a scare tatic - I call telling people if they dont flatter and accept Jesus..they will burn in hell <---scare tatic...BIG TIME and dont lie to me and pretend you have never heard anyone say turn or burn...everyone has at one point

Thats right the devil Lucifer wants YOU to help him fight the war on terror!
Join Hells army today! Recruit a buddy and get your eternity of burning CUT IN HALF!!!

Doing what? Janitor?? Milkman? what? cuz I find this intresting as to how on earth Satan works for God

How a evil being who is against God and all that God stands for...would work for him....my memory serves me correctly....satan is seperated from God and works AGAINST him <---so we are meant to believe!!!

Excellent responce tetisheri...at least you admit that christians are lead to believe that Satan does tempt others to do wrong...therefore, plays a part in wrong doings

IE...Lets PRETEND you came to me and told me Joe Soap must die.........and you told me what I should do to kill Joe Soap lol.....and I was silly enough to listen to you and did it...

Come day and hour of the court case...you would find yourself in the stand, in front of a judge and you would go down for - Accessory to murder one see what im saying?

thanks for the responce though you did make sense too

IMO his goal is to work against God for God. Hebrews 12 (i think) talks about how God disciplines and tests his children. Well, suppose that God created Satan for the testing of humanity. It is my belief that Satan's job is like a conditioning coach for God. After all, what kind of people would we be if we never knew wrong?



SIDENOTE: I think that law is a load of BS. If I tell you to go kill someone and you do it YOUR to blame for being so stupid that you couldn't think for yourself and not kill.

You have just told me in different wording - Religion NEEDS satan...re-read what you have just written

You just proved my point...religion NEEDS Satan...period


I dont on the other hand

Its still the law...and there is sweet FA anyone can do about it....If you told me to kill someone and I felt imtimidated by you and did it..then you would go down as well as me as an assessory to murder..thats fact

In reality though I wouldnt be stupid enough to listen to ya if you tried to get me to kill anyone, i'd tell you to take a hike

and this surprises you? LOL

Religion doesn't need Satan. Humanity does....I only have this belief when looking at the big picture of things. On a small picture level I don't even think about Satan.

Yes, I had more faith in Christians than for them to degenerate to a point where they'd result to threats over a blog.

If god is all powerful than why would he need someone to train or condition him. God is like the Apex entity, he doesn't need conditioning.

oh christ LOL...Humanity = entire human race..and the entire human race dont need satan, a lot dont even believe in satan LMAO..........who do you think makes up a religion??? shot in the dark here, could it mbe HUMAN BEINGS?? aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh religion needs satan...if you like religious people need satan you did say he works FOR God...make your mind up LMAO.....if religion didnt rquire a satan....you wouldnt hear of him PERIOD!!!....


thanks for that lil responce it did make me chuckle a lil LOL