666 was a holy number in Pythagorean Academy in ancient Greece. The Jews(Zionists) took the number and also the five stars -pentalfa- and made their flag, in order to gain power. Masons also, took the compass-diabetes- as their emblem. They accused the first and holly ancient God Pan as the devil himself, with horns and a tail. Satan is a Jewish word and means enemy. This means hell. The real name of Greece is Hellas. Hell-as! Does is it mean anything to you?
In Bible, Zechariah 9, there is an ancient hate from Jews to Greeks and historically, there happened many holocausts with hundreds of thousands dead Greeks(especially in Cyprus). Here is the topic in the Bible:(You can find it anywhere in network by typing Zechariah 9),

Zechariah 9
Judgment against Israels Enemies

Zions Coming King

13. Judah is my bow,
and Israel is my arrow.
Jerusalem[i] is my sword,
and like a warrior, I will brandish it against the Greeks.[j]

They continue it now with Palestinians, as Palestinians are the ancient Philistines, a Greek tribe. Turks(even though they participate in the Olympic Games) also call Greeks as satans(We are their enemy). They managed to bring Christianism to Greeks and our civilization died.
They named Prometheus Lucifer(Lux+fer which is Greek and means he who brings the light). Lucifer in Greek means he who brought the fire(Eosforos Εωσφόρος, Εως=Light and φόρος=bringer), the knowledge, to man and was punished on a mountain. If you do not believe that, just hear the lyrics of John Lennon's song: Free the people(Bring on the Lucie). In this song Lennon talks about 666 and against those they rule us now! Besides, they confused Hephaestus with Prometheus, as they are relative in Ancient Greek history( they had the same temple and together smashed Zeus head in order to Athena be born). Hephaestus was gammy and in many customs all over the Christian nations and in Greece-island Zakinthos-, the devil-satan-hell is represented as a gammy one.
I took these sources from the Encyclopedia Elevtheroudakis, wrote in 1923...

In a whole post, not a single reply?
It seems no one ever really heard John Lennon.
Maybe, no one knows Pythagoras, or Pan.
Or it is just summer period...

You bring up some intersting points, but the post itself is a bit like a commentary. Pick a couple of points and go with them and I am sure you will get some responses. Welcome to the UM by the way.

Thank you for the reply. I thought posts should be like a commentary. How do I pick points? I'm on UM since May and I have successfully posted. These are new horizons?
I insist. No one knows Lennon, Pan or Pythagoras,

Kisses

The oldest document found contains 616, not 666.

John Lennon was a great musician. Lucie in the sky with diamonds is another song with similar lyrics, but I have never associated it with Lucifer. When the song came out everyone was saying that it was referring to taking acid. Go figure.

You talk about another song. The song is in the album "Mind Games" and it is: Free the people(Bring on the Lucie).
Lucy in the sky with diamonds, has nothing to do with that one and does not have similar lyrics. Lucy is a name and it is about Alice in Wonderland.
Lucy is a name and Lucie is a nickname of Lucifer...

Which document? And what age?

I doubt these things were well considered by the Christian readers (probably Jews) of 98 A.D. The passage in its oldest form has the number 616, which is Nero in Hebrew gematra. Its perhaps that the number was changed to 666 to fit another form of Nero's name in Hebrew; Neron.

But what does this have to do with anything, since Nero was long dead before John received the Revelation of Jesus Christ? Nero was the first Roman ruler to persecute Christians, starting a great fire and blaming the Christians to take the focus off of him.

In Revelation 13, it has to do with an image of the Roman Empire; that is visible living organization that is distinguished from the Roman Empire, like a reflection is distinguished from the tangible self. Now this image was given life so that it could speak and cause all who refused to follow it to be killed.

This in historical fulfillment is the rise of the Papacy, established by Pope Innocent III. He used his claims to supersede the kings of the empire, and thus rule over them. He gained the support of the German Church, the Holy Roman Empire's greatest support at that time. He turned the Catholic Catechism into Roman Law; causing all violators to be legally punished. He also set up the rule of indulgence, which is an open insult to the very Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Pope Innocent III gave the Church of Rome his authority; and all means of lawlessness was to be examined by means of inquisition, which turned into a bloody interrogation. The Jews were forced to wear yellow badges, showing that the were practicing Jews. They were not allowed to work; thus buy or sell, so long as they were Jews. Any Catholics found to have a Bible in their possession were punished and their Bibles burned.

This Papacy and the Pope are the image and the false prophet. The mark of the beast was the Roman Catholic law that persecuted God's faithful legally. As a result, those that followed that law were punished in the 14th century with a severe amount of turmoil; namely the Crusades, the Great Famine of 1315, and the Black Death (called the Great Mortality also.) All this happened within a span of seventy years; seventy years in which the Papacy was overrun by the Emperor and sent to Avignon France. This is what the Church of Rome calls the 'Babylonian Captivity of the Church.'

Wiki

The Number of the Beast is a concept from the Book of Revelation of the New Testament of the Christian Bible. The Number is 666 in modern texts, although 616 and 665 appear instead in at least one ancient source. This topic is a source of contention for many church groups and theologians. Some scholars contend that the number is a code for the Roman Emperor Nero, a view that is supported by the Roman Catholic Church.

616/656/666

It's actually the number of Adam who was created on the sixth day - times 3

Its not actually. The Greek text reads 600, 60, and 6. Its a total amount of six hundred and sixty-six, not six three times.

Well, then there is nothing more to say about that then?

But tell me, Blue why is it "translated" as 666 in the Bible

Come on "Blue", you can do it. If you can't then I just might "accidently" tell people who the False Prophet is. Surely you wouldn't want that, would you?

Report: 616, Not 666 The Real Number of the Beast

First, here's an excerpt of the report of the discovery:

A newly discovered fragment of the oldest surviving copy of the New Testament indicates that, as far as the Antichrist goes, theologians, scholars, heavy metal groups, and television evangelists have got the wrong number. Instead of 666, it's actually the far less ominous 616.

The new fragment from the Book of Revelation, written in ancient Greek and dating from the late third century, is part of a hoard of previously unintelligible manuscripts discovered in historic dumps outside Oxyrhynchus in Egypt. Now a team of expert classicists, using new photographic techniques, are finally deciphering the original writing.

Professor David Parker, Professor of New Testament Textual Criticism and Paleography at the University of Birmingham, thinks that 616, although less memorable than 666, is the original. He said: "This is an example of gematria, where numbers are based on the numerical values of letters in people's names. Early Christians would use numbers to hide the identity of people who they were attacking: 616 refers to the Emperor Caligula."

The Book of Revelation is traditionally considered to be written by John, a disciple of Jesus; it identifies 666 as the mark of the Antichrist. In America, the fundamentalist Christian right often use the number in sermons about the coming Apocalypse.

They and satanists responded coolly to the new "Revelation". Peter Gilmore, High Priest of the Church of Satan, based in New York, said: "By using 666 we're using something that the Christians fear. Mind you, if they do switch to 616 being the number of the beast then we'll start using that."





SOURCE http://www.escapeallthesethings.com/666-61...f-the-beast.htm

But it IS 666 in the Bible

Do you don't you want me to love you
I'm coming down fast but I'm miles above you
Tell me tell me come on tell me the answer
and you may be a lover but you ain't no dancer

Ah, I was only joking about the whole thing, Blue. It sure was a bit of fun though, eh?

See ya around, lad, goodnight

Did you know that there are many ways to spell Nero, just as much as there are to spell Matthew. Matt, Matisyahu, Matthais, ect. I think the change in number was do to the way the name was spelled in the area to which the book was copied. Thats just my best guess though.

oops I already did. I know shame in calling Pope Innocent III or any Papal delegate a false prophet because they put their Church Organization in place of Christ. A Big No No.

I see, you use Helter Skelter's lyrics. Don't you have an explanation of Free the people lyrics? It talks about 666...

So you and others know better than all Bible translators in the whole world, Blue? No, that is not the case, lad. Trust me on this one, they got it right, although some of them, for various reasons, may have other things to say about it.

You'll find the False Prophet in 1Kings 22:21-22, but he is only an aspect of Satan, a beloved son of God. The negative version is in 1Samuel 28:15-19. You'll also find the same "guy" in the beginning of the Iliad and in a story about the dead Osiris talking to his son Horus. The latter was also used in the Hamlet (Amled) story. A part of the same story from the Iliad was later used In the Dead Sea Scrolls in connection with a story about Abraham and the Pharaoh (Tales of the Patriarchs).

It's true, I will not allow people to take me to serious, but I do know a thing or two.

Let me ease your mind though, Blue. You will not find THE CODE in any other books than the so called religious books, I personally just call them the "hope and faith books". There is a book called The Bible Code, but that has nothing to do with what I am talking about.

If you don't believe what I am telling you here, then that is alright, but just don't speak out about it to quick or I won't be able to take YOU too serious.

Se you around, lad

A part of the Answer is found in The Beatles song called "A Day In The Life" It ends with the sound of a piano which fades out. John Lennon was talking about 666 as "Nero" who comes back to Burn "Rome" down ("Rome" is the western world), and blame someone else for it. I must admit I may have put certain words into John's mouth here, so what do you think?

Hope I did not make any Christians, Jews, Muslims or any one else worry because of what I said, because there is no need to worry. All I did was point something out, but without even touching it. Anyone who understands what real Torah is, will know what I mean. I do not touch REAL Torah. I would like to see her beauty, but it is not for me or anyone like me to touch her.

So I'm right about you, Blue, you ain't no "dancer"? Don't you know life is a "dance"? Don't worry, I like ya anyway, lad.

The reason Nero and his 616 or 666 was so fearful to early Christians was because they believed Nero could rise from the dead just as Jesus did, and resume his persecutions. But if that seems goofy to us, remember as well, that the whole battle between Satan and Michael,that is also in Revelation is just a retelling of the battle between Ahura Mazda and the Dragon Ahriman. John just changed their names. Ahriman fights Ahura mazda and is defeated, just like Satan. The Dragon Ahriman is bound by the angel. So is Satan. Ahriman is cast into an abyss for centuries. So is Satan. Ahriman is finally let out and he starts trouble again so he is cast into the fire. So is Satan. John copied almost everything. The only part of the story that John left out was the part about the Dragon Ahriman being the BROTHER of the Dragon Yahweh of the Jews and Christians. Hmmmmm. I wonder why John would have left that part of the story out? Maybe becasue Jesus said he was the son of this dragon? I wonder how many Christians know Revelation is just a copy of a Zoroastrian Persian fairytale, that in the full version, states that their God is a Dragon and brother to the evil dragon Ahriman? When I think of how many better books of scripture the Roman Church decided to burn, it is amazing that they decided to keep this one. There were plenty of other Apocolype books that they could have used that weren't copied verbatim from Pagan Persian mythology.

But could the Persians be right? Many Christians say that the evil Dragon Ahriman of Zoroastrianism is the same evil dragon called Satan by Christianity. And if we take the legends back further, the dragon Satan is sometimes connected with the original Sumerian dragon in the Garden of Eden called Enki. And this dragon had a brother in the Sumerain legends who thought the Human race was "too noisy, so he decided to drown them in a flood. And this dragons is sometimes said to be the origin of the origin of Yahweh who took over the same flood story, and according to the Bible spews fire from his mouth, smoke from his nostrils and is either fed, or otherwise "uses" Midianite virgins for some unknown purpose. So maybe the Persians are right, and Yahweh and Satan really are both brothers and dragons. If Revelation is the inspired word of God, I guess that makes the persian Story John copied just as "inspired", right?

Na, DC, what you see is nothing but borrowed clothes that covers over something completely different.

I don't think so. "A day in the life", has nothing to do with 666. "Free the people" is talking clearly about it. I give you the lyrics in order to realize.

Bring On The Lucie (Freda Peeple)

[Alright boys, this is it, over the hill!]

We don't care what flag you're waving
We don't even want to know your name
We don't care where you're from or where you're going
All we know is that you came
You're making all our decisions
We have just one request of you
That while you're thinking things over
Here's something you just better do

Free the people now (Do it do it do it do it)
Do it do it do it do it do it now (Do it do it do it do it)
Free the people now (Do it do it do it do it)
Do it do it do it do it do it now

Well we were caught with our hands in the air
Don't despair paranoia is everywhere
We can shake it with love when we're scared
So let's shout it aloud like a prayer

Free the people now (Do it do it do it do it)
Do it do it do it do it do it now (Do it do it do it do it)
Free the people now (Do it do it do it do it)
Do it do it do it do it do it now

We understand your paranoia
But we don't want to play your game
You think you're cool and know what you are doing
666 is your name
So while you're jerking off each other
You better bear this thought in mind
Your time is up you better know it
But maybe you don't read the signs

Free the people now (Do it do it do it do it)
Do it do it do it do it do it now (Do it do it do it do it)
Free the people now (Do it do it do it do it)
Do it do it do it do it do it now

Well you were caught with your hands in the kill
And you still got to swallow your pill
As you slip and you slide down the hill
On the blood of the people you killed

Stop the killing now (Free the people now, do it do it do it do it)
Do it do it do it do it do it now (Do it do it do it do it)
Stop the killing (Free the people now, do it do it do it do it)
Do it do it do it do it do it now (Do it do it do it do it)
Stop the killing (Free the people now, do it do it do it do it)
Do it do it (Do it do it do it do it)
Stop the killing (Free the people now, do it do it do it do it)
(Do it do it do it do it) Bring on the lucie
Stop the killing (Free the people now)

Where did you see Nero's relation in that song? Lennon is talking about recent times and those who rule us now and make our decisions. Their name is 666. One can easily understand who they are.

And yet you asked. So why did you ask?

Sorry to disapoint you but DC is right. Almost the entire Bible is based on the Sumerian and Persian legends.

I want people to realize what is going on

So what is going on?

You should read carefully the text of my post

Na, it's rubbish

I concluded, you are ignorant about Lennon. You are a little confused. And generally ignorant.

Yep, that's me

OK you two lets not make it a personal issue or attack. Remember you are being watched!!!!

Thanks, lad. Bit of fun though, eh

Well, I'm very sorry you disappointed me, but you can probably make it up to me another time.

Oh, I see. You are one of those who can not accept other opinions and therefore takes everything personel. My advise to you is to read a bit more about other cultures, religions and believes.

No point to discuss this anymore. Case closed ( and hopefuly this topic too before it gets ugly).

Regards.

The number 616 in the urantia book is the galaxy number of our planet earth, might it be misrepresentation of the facts to benefit
their story?

I was joking, my friend.

I've heard of the Urantia Book, but I never got around to even buying it. Tell some more about it, 2cool

I still don't get satisfactory answers.
All these I post here, are historically true and I assure I'm not a racist. Adversely, I show how big racist one can be.
I respect everyone, untill he respects me.

Stop worrying, Costas. Listen, mate, you can't expect people to agree with you, only hope it. And guess what, maybe we have far more in common than you think. keep on writing in this and other threads, and someone, perhaps even me, will agree with you about something. I've written loads of rubbish here in U-M and I'm not worried about it. So stop thinking we are all against you if that is how it is. Let's be friends, Costas

No problem libra 11, but you insist I write rubbish. You should first check one by one the elements and then conclude they are rubbish. You were wrong about Lennon. If you want, I can similarly post all the sources (a little trouble, but if you want). I took the text about Zechariah and Lennon from the Internet. The same occurs for the rest

Ups, I see what you mean. No, let's just say I don't agree. Post all sources if you wish, but I have the right to believe what I believe. If people can only love each other if they agree about everything, then mankind certainly has a very big problem to deal with. Let's just be friends, Costas

I respect your beliefs but I find strange one can discard facts. That happened to me when I was very young. Since I checked some data, that changed my life. I'm not religious but I feel I believe better now. The things we could disagree, should be others and not the truth itself. In such case, there is no hope for humanity and I believe in humanity. We are friends anyway. We have nothing to separate...

I don't believe in truth, only in hope, faith and LOVE.
And so we are friends, Costas, right?