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robwiljr
Have anybody notice that superman draws his energy from the SUN, energy deplete from KRYPTONITE, came from ANOTHER PLANET, suppose to save the WORLD, the only begotten son sent here by his father because his world was destroyed and the earth need guidance. I KNOW IM NOT THE ONLY ONE TO SEE THIS SIMILARITIES IN THIS.

Then the other thing i wana point out is the constant reference to crystals and the wonders of em. So have the media been tryna push man into the right way by entertainment to keep in fresh on the mind. What is kryptonite realistically in the real world, im think green lil men in flying saucer or nuclear power. The reason why because the kryptonite chaned the dna of regular human and made the super but super man gets weak when in contact with it and dont nuclear radiation do the same and is green.

The messages in movies now are all the same when you look deeper. More movies coming out with serpent and dragon creatures in it like Harry Potter, The Descent(reptillian people in caves),300( the immortals),Lord of The Rings,eragon and im pretty sure you can come up with more. And whats the fascination with movie with supernatural beings in it like, xmen,spiderman,hulk,and others. Another Big objects coming toward earth on a destruction such as Star Wars deathstar (Planet Niburu), armageddon,compact and etc.

Im just saying director and writer are putting ther beliefs in the movies to open the mind but it actually back fire because some people think that they got a movie of it that it cant happen. This is probably just the work of the devil to water the concept down in our head. What do you think?
Beckys_Mom
I was going to take the mickey out of this thread but as i read on..I now believe its rather intresting you have thought of this.

The whole concept of it all is GOOD V's EVIL as it stems from your bible

It's a great money maker for holloywood to pich ideas


IE - Star Wars...had to have been inspired by the bible

breaking it down a lil to see where I am coming from


Luke Skywalker the young Jedi.(Jesus a young man that wishes us to fight evil, dont give in to Satan) ........battles against - Darth Vador (once a jedi that turned to the dark side) The devil was once Gods angle before turning to hell as Satan
Just a tiny example but you get my drift yes.gif
The Mule
good vs evil sells obviously....but the only concept hollywood is trying to sell YOU is products. Why do you think Transformers featured a Camaro? GM pushed it at the producers in order to publicize their new model. GM even says that in the press. It's no different than when you see a character drinking a coke or a pepsi. "Skittles" will freely admit that the only reason their product is still on the market is because they were in ET after M&M Mars declined to let them use M&M's in the movie...

Entertainment is there only to make money off YOU.

That INCLUDES Micheal Moore. You can bet he voted for Bush...it makes him more money, AND cuts his taxes....
The Puzzler
I think we see a lot in movies like these comparisons. One of my faves is Lilo and Stitch being interested in Raelian belief we can see genetic scientist being banished from home planet for making 'bad' experiment that threatens home planet and ending up on Earth. Complete with aliens and the obligatory Man in black, it's a classic!
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(weareallsuckers @ Jul 17 2007, 01:30 AM) *
I think we see a lot in movies like these comparisons. One of my faves is Lilo and Stitch being interested in Raelian belief we can see genetic scientist being banished from home planet for making 'bad' experiment that threatens home planet and ending up on Earth. Complete with aliens and the obligatory Man in black, it's a classic!

I have a 22 month old girl that adores Stitch lol...thats why I have her watch the disney channel all the time ..she even gets up and dances to the theme song LOL

You wanna hear her pronounce Stitch...like a lil lisp - Stithh..look maamy its stith !! laugh.gif
The Puzzler
QUOTE(Beckys_Mom @ Jul 17 2007, 10:40 AM) *
I have a 22 month old girl that adores Stitch lol...thats why I have her watch the disney channel all the time ..she even gets up and dances to the theme song LOL

You wanna hear her pronounce Stitch...like a lil lisp - Stithh..look maamy its stith !! laugh.gif

lololol Stitch is a sweety! We love Disney Channel, my 11 yr old has like all the pay TV channels on her TV and it never comes off Disney channel! I'd really like her to watch Animal Planet or something but no, I'm sure Ive seen every Raven and Lizzie episode like 400 times....lol
Actually since you watch the TV show you would know also that the experiments he made are numerous, not just Stitch and are on Earth now too popping up everywhere, well thats Raelian too, according to them genetic experiments abound here on Earth.
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(weareallsuckers @ Jul 17 2007, 01:59 AM) *
lololol Stitch is a sweety! We love Disney Channel, my 11 yr old has like all the pay TV channels on her TV and it never comes off Disney channel! I'd really like her to watch Animal Planet or something but no, I'm sure Ive seen every Raven and Lizzie episode like 400 times....lol
Actually since you watch the TV show you would know also that the experiments he made are numerous, not just Stitch and are on Earth now too popping up everywhere, well thats Raelian too, according to them genetic experiments abound here on Earth.

Yup all 626 experimants ...all found their one true place were they belong

and my Becky likes to copy Mertal and her friends that go all ---> YEEAAAAAAAAAAAAH laugh.gif
The Mule
lol....you guys have totally hijacked this poor thread....

carry on...
The Puzzler
QUOTE(Beckys_Mom @ Jul 17 2007, 11:13 AM) *
Yup all 626 experimants ...all found their one true place were they belong

and my Becky likes to copy Mertal and her friends that go all ---> YEEAAAAAAAAAAAAH laugh.gif

oooh that Mertal, what a mean girl.

This is a great topic and one to think about some more, I like Total Recall movie too and it shows how memories can be implanted and that is also part of the cloning that Raelians speak of. I love your Star Wars comparison to the Bible too. Since seeing the newer Star Wars movies I can't help feel a bit for Darth Vader though knowing how he got to the point he did.
The Puzzler
QUOTE(The Mule @ Jul 17 2007, 11:21 AM) *
lol....you guys have totally hijacked this poor thread....

carry on...

Have we? Sorry, I must have misread the OP then cause I didn't know it was about only good vs evil, I thought it was about how movies are inspired by the writers beliefs.....eeek I dont wanna be a thread derailer... blink.gif OK no more Lilo and Stitch...
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(weareallsuckers @ Jul 17 2007, 02:36 AM) *
Have we? Sorry, I must have misread the OP then cause I didn't know it was about only good vs evil, I thought it was about how movies are inspired by the writers beliefs.....eeek I dont wanna be a thread derailer... blink.gif OK no more Lilo and Stitch...

But...Dr Hampstervile is evil wacko.gif


So is that mertal one grrrrrrr laugh.gif
The Mule
Plankton from Spongebob is evil.....
The Puzzler
lol Plankton.........
I see now I am only a hijacker not a derailer.. phew

Good vs evil, I think it's in nearly every show and movie on TV in some form or another. Star Trek is great for incorporating ideas and beliefs into reality as is the Simpsons.
The Mule
There was a classic Twilight Zone in which Agnes Moorhead was being attacked by these little aliens. You're feeling sorry for her and rooting her on until the end, when she smashes the ship with a sledgehammer...and you see United States of America on the ship....
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(The Mule @ Jul 17 2007, 03:11 AM) *
There was a classic Twilight Zone in which Agnes Moorhead was being attacked by these little aliens. You're feeling sorry for her and rooting her on until the end, when she smashes the ship with a sledgehammer...and you see United States of America on the ship....

Agnes Moorehead...she also played Samathas mom in - Bewitched lol Loved her in that

*twitches nose*
The Mule
yup...that's her.....
The Puzzler
Since I'm a big believer of aliens entering our Universe from other dimensions the whole concept of the Twilight Zone is fantastic in itself. I believe in other dimensions, the Twilight Zone is described as:
You're traveling through another dimension -- a dimension not only of sight and sound but of mind. A journey into a wondrous land whose boundaries are that of imagination. That's a signpost up ahead: your next stop: the Twilight Zone!

You unlock this door with the key of imagination. Beyond it is another dimension: a dimension of sound, a dimension of sight, a dimension of mind. You're moving into a land of both shadow and substance, of things and ideas. You've just crossed over into... the Twilight Zone.

There is a fifth dimension beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity. It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition, and it lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge. This is the dimension of imagination. It is an area which we call "The Twilight Zone".

Fantastic stuff!
Paranoid Android
Please bring this topic back to spirituality. It may be tempting to discuss your favourite scenes from movies, but that's not what this section of the forum is for. If you want to do that, head over to the Music, movies, books and television board. Please discuss the topic, or else it is useless in this forum. Which would be a shame - it does sound like an interesting topic question.

Thank you,
robwiljr
Here are some more; Transformer for instance Megatron (the reptillian robot) is the leader of the Decepticon meaning ones who decieve i guess. Then theres Optimus Prime (themonkey repesent the good side) whos Megatron archrival and get this brother. Now where have we heard this story before. Advance reptillian thingy crash back in the b.c. sometime and man benefit from his knowledge not knowing that he's not an ally. The good guy who know there ways show up late but just in time.

Then Silver Surfer
Mr Walker
Given the mods comments, hope this an "incontext"reply. Like all comic characters, superman was a product of his social and economic times. He was designed to provide some psychological relief from the feelings of helplessness that many people felt in the 20's and 30's as a response to both the first world war, the great depression and the growing militarism of the time; set against Americas growing isolationism. (not to mention the growing lawlessness and deterioration in social behaviour which was caused bysome of these factors, and the prohibition era)
Much has been written on this by both the authors and others, including doctoral theses. The original writers did intend a religious and social commentary, but nothing like to the extent to which it is now attributed, and superman's angst and dark side are a more modern addition. Originally it was an entertaining and money making enterprise.

The basics are that superman is not human, has only two weaknesses (magic and Kryptonite) and thus does fit the "godly" nature of many archetypal heroes. In many cases, those things which are his strengths, are also his weakness.

I read a novella/short story once in which the baby superman fell to earth in Nazi germany rather than rural America. Brought up to be a patriotic german, if not an ardent nazi, he was eventually killed/executed by the allied forces, through the use of Kryptonite, close to or just after their eventual victory. I did not like the story, but it served its purpose of making the reader reflect how intertwined our heroes are with our own cultures and beliefs.
Beckys_Mom
What was Jesus's Kryptonite?
The Mule
Judas?
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(The Mule @ Jul 17 2007, 01:46 PM) *
Judas?

A number of christians will disagree with you on that, cuz I have heard how they claim it was all part of Gods plan for Judas to betray jesus...the plan to die for peoples sins
The Puzzler
QUOTE(Beckys_Mom @ Jul 17 2007, 10:43 PM) *
What was Jesus's Kryptonite?

The Jews?
Primeval
I also LIKE to CAPITALIZE random words for FUN.
Chokmah
QUOTE(Beckys_Mom @ Jul 17 2007, 01:43 PM) *
What was Jesus's Kryptonite?


...Cruxifixes.
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(Chokmah @ Jul 17 2007, 03:14 PM) *
...Cruxifixes.

grin2.gif Good Call LOL

IMO Jesus's only weakness was his attitude............he was too darn soft with those people back then, he should have been a lot more firmer and a hinty of feisty to get respect...not saying he didn't get respect, I am saying he could've done with a lot more and then some

Ever hear of the term - Treat em mean keeps em keen?...its true IMO lol... and if you believe God in heaven is no pushover, then you will understand what I mean

Jesus's Kryptonite was his soft attitude...you can be all loving with a hint of firmness and feisty lol...take no crap from anyone...dont be a walk over

I mean im sure the jews that condemed him to his death had ZERO respect for him...only cuz he was soft..and shouldn't have been

When you are soft with people, you can be sure you will be taken for granted...fact!! and that becomes your Kryptonite
Paranoid Android
If Jesus had a kryptonite, then in a purely physical context, it would be that he held too firmly to what God wanted him to do. All he needed to do was let go of that damn pesky desire to do God's will and he could have saved himself. But noooooooo, he had to go and die for the sins of humanity, didn't he............ devil.gif
raistlan316
QUOTE(robwiljr @ Jul 16 2007, 04:04 PM) *
Have anybody notice that superman draws his energy from the SUN, energy deplete from KRYPTONITE, came from ANOTHER PLANET, suppose to save the WORLD, the only begotten son sent here by his father because his world was destroyed and the earth need guidance. I KNOW IM NOT THE ONLY ONE TO SEE THIS SIMILARITIES IN THIS.

Then the other thing i wana point out is the constant reference to crystals and the wonders of em. So have the media been tryna push man into the right way by entertainment to keep in fresh on the mind. What is kryptonite realistically in the real world, im think green lil men in flying saucer or nuclear power. The reason why because the kryptonite chaned the dna of regular human and made the super but super man gets weak when in contact with it and dont nuclear radiation do the same and is green.

The messages in movies now are all the same when you look deeper. More movies coming out with serpent and dragon creatures in it like Harry Potter, The Descent(reptillian people in caves),300( the immortals),Lord of The Rings,eragon and im pretty sure you can come up with more. And whats the fascination with movie with supernatural beings in it like, xmen,spiderman,hulk,and others. Another Big objects coming toward earth on a destruction such as Star Wars deathstar (Planet Niburu), armageddon,compact and etc.

Im just saying director and writer are putting ther beliefs in the movies to open the mind but it actually back fire because some people think that they got a movie of it that it cant happen. This is probably just the work of the devil to water the concept down in our head. What do you think?


I get what you are saying, but I think you are reading a little too much into it. Almost all action type movies are going to follow the Good vs Evil theme. You can make a connection to anything if you try hard enough. People have compared Star Wars to the bible for years, and many have compaired Superman to Jesus. While you could really put up a good case for Star Wars, Superman is really nothing more than a good piece of fiction created by two Jewish men. Also krytonite does not have any effect on humans in the movies, and in the comics, it can cause harmful radiation poisoning over time even to humans.

As Freud said, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.....
raistlan316
QUOTE(robwiljr @ Jul 16 2007, 10:24 PM) *
Here are some more; Transformer for instance Megatron (the reptillian robot) is the leader of the Decepticon meaning ones who decieve i guess. Then theres Optimus Prime (themonkey repesent the good side) whos Megatron archrival and get this brother. Now where have we heard this story before. Advance reptillian thingy crash back in the b.c. sometime and man benefit from his knowledge not knowing that he's not an ally. The good guy who know there ways show up late but just in time.

Then Silver Surfer


I don't think Megatron was reptillian, his features were more sinister, but that's all for him to look like the "bad" guy. Neither was Optimus Prime a monkey. Actually the whole "technology taken from Megatron" thing, is a reference to the roswell conspiracy theory. Many people claim that the surge of technology in the last 60-70 years was taken from a saucer that crashed and this was mirrored in transformers.
__Kratos__
QUOTE(raistlan316 @ Jul 17 2007, 10:46 AM) *
I get what you are saying, but I think you are reading a little too much into it. Almost all action type movies are going to follow the Good vs Evil theme. You can make a connection to anything if you try hard enough. People have compared Star Wars to the bible for years, and many have compaired Superman to Jesus. While you could really put up a good case for Star Wars, Superman is really nothing more than a good piece of fiction created by two Jewish men. Also krytonite does not have any effect on humans in the movies, and in the comics, it can cause harmful radiation poisoning over time even to humans.

As Freud said, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.....


I agree with that.

There were even stories of good vs evil before the bible, torah and such. Yet I don't see many believers here saying that their mythology is simply made up from a past story. wink2.gif
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(Paranoid Android @ Jul 17 2007, 04:12 PM) *
If Jesus had a kryptonite, then in a purely physical context, it would be that he held too firmly to what God wanted him to do. All he needed to do was let go of that damn pesky desire to do God's will and he could have saved himself. But noooooooo, he had to go and die for the sins of humanity, didn't he............ devil.gif

Umm lol he could have STILL done Gods pesky WILL and been a lot more feisty and firmer about it..lol it is very possible devil.gif trust me lol
robwiljr
I believe that why jesus gona come back fighting this time cus he know now that he cant be too soft with us or they are gona run over him.
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(robwiljr @ Jul 17 2007, 06:00 PM) *
I believe that why jesus gona come back fighting this time cus he know now that he cant be too soft with us or they are gona run over him.

So that's where the makers of Terminator got their idea from --> "I'll be back" ohmy.gif

I can just pic Jesus to his followers -saying - "I'll be backeth" cool.gif

laugh.gif
robwiljr
QUOTE(Beckys_Mom @ Jul 17 2007, 05:23 PM) *
So that's where the makers of Terminator got their idea from --> "I'll be back" ohmy.gif

I can just pic Jesus to his followers -saying - "I'll be backeth" cool.gif

laugh.gif

HAHA!!!
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(robwiljr @ Jul 18 2007, 12:57 AM) *
HAHA!!!

laugh.gif hee hee
raistlan316
QUOTE(Beckys_Mom @ Jul 17 2007, 05:23 PM) *
So that's where the makers of Terminator got their idea from --> "I'll be back" ohmy.gif

I can just pic Jesus to his followers -saying - "I'll be backeth" cool.gif

laugh.gif


Actually, Madtv did a skit about this. The terminator went back in time to protect Jesus. He keeps following him around "protecting" him. The funniest part is at the last supper, where the terminator shoots and kills Judas. Jesus tells him he can't do that and ressurects him, then it happens again, and again, and again. Finally when he convinces the terminator to let him die, the arnold look alike turns to the camera and says "He'll be back".
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