I always kind of wondered about biblical prophecy (I mention biblical prophecy because it is the only one I am familiar with, not because I have more or less dislike for believers in christ as opposed to muslims or whoever), why is it that god so decides to wait for humans to fulfill prophecy? For instance, if he is going to come back to earth, then why wait for certain humans to go through the motions (antichrist, and so on and on)? Why wait for all of this, and while he is waiting, what do you think he does with his time? Golf? Now this post is kind of tongue and cheek, but it does have a some potentially serious questions about the character of or how god operates.

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I think, while he is waiting, he journeys to Earth and competes in skeeball tourneys.................

hahahaha, what a funny movie.

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God lives outside of time. He is in the past, the present, and the future simultaneously. So whereas we have not experienced it, it has already happened for him. However it will still happen for us. Time is jacked up like that, it creates confusion.

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child there is no such thing as time ( see the writings of einstien) its an illusion so how could god be living outside of some thing that doesn't exist anyways...???

there is only 'now' past and future are illusions made up ...

Good point sheri, time I think is what we make of it, I also think that time was made by man because he knew he had an end and needed a way of watching his life fade away...

Sweetie, I know there is no such thing as time. It is an illusion and a paradigm. However, it is an allusion we are all trapped in. We cannot break free from it lest we were never introduced to it. Time is a perceptional issue, and because of it God lives outside of it. For instance, you do not perceive a God, yet I do. However we both exists, and IMO God exists at the same time you believe he does not.

mon amie you can't be trapped in an illusion, remember it isn't real.....your analogy is only appliable if one beleifs in a seperation paradigm which is an illusion also there is only onenes there is no seperation...if there was a diety as you infer it would be observable simple as that...

So Sheri are you saying that you have no notion of time?

time is a tool that i use for a myriad of reasons ...have you ever set your alarm vlock 10minutes ahead to give yourself the illusion of extra time ??? i am very well aware that time is an illusion not real its simply a tool to incremetnize my experinces.....i live in the now as much as i can...

As do I. There is no disagreement here

so how does god live beyond something that is an illusion ???? there is no time we have just agreed......there is only now we both agree thats where we live LOL so god would be here now not somewhere else there is no where else there is only now both us are in the now do you get the implications of this ???? Just a thought...

He isn't in the illusion.

finally you agree there is no god present here!

But in all fairness, your analogy is only applicable if one believes (which I don't know of many "believing" religions that do) that God is subject to human principles and laws. You cannot assume that (speaking universally) if there is a God, that he is held accountable to the same rules, experiences, and comprehension that we are. As a matter of fact, what would be the point of God being "almighty" and "infallible" if in fact we could just knock on his back door and observe him? That would by far defeat the purpose if following the teachings of almost any religion.

This is just my humble opinion of course.

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Yes. But, I think it is safe to say, the only reason a god exists is because people assume a god exists. It is one thing to assume a god exists, believing based upon faith... but it is quite another thing to assume that a god is this or that, can do this or that, thinks this or that... on top of the initial assumption of its existence. This is where, IMO, humans have created a god in there image. This is why we argue about bible verses and such, it is because they are opinions made up by humans through human experience... made to control-- passively or aggressively.

prophecy is a warning of things to come, good or bad depending on how we react to the information...such as, someone says that you will one day touch a hot stove and be burned...if you ignore the prophecy and touch a hot stove and get burned, the prophecy was foretold and fulfilled by your action...but in order for the prophecy to be fulfilled you had to react sometime later or the conditions around you made fulfillment possible by no action on your own...God passes on the information and gives us the opportunity to use that information....God waits.

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No, I said he isn't within the illusion of time like we are.

child then where is he??

ZJ it does seem we have a show of hands for no god LOL.....

illusion (word web)

Something many people believe that is false.... there is no such thing as time at all to be beyond itr or in it...

In reality. If someone is trapped in an illusion and you aren't, does that mean you don't exist?

I'm not sure why I bring these things up in the first place (maybe I'm a little mentally masochistic). I always know where they are going to end. Eventually, every debate concerning god always whittles down to faith. And that isn't enough for the skeptic, but it is plenty for the theist. For instance in this particular thread, I would now respond with a question like, "Why then does god use prophecy, which seems very comparable to fortune telling, because it is just as vague, and as accurate?". The response would then lead to some long winded explanation of how god works in mysterious ways, and my puny human mind can't comprehend all that encompasses god. Which of course would lead to the retort of how could any human then "find" god in the first place, or even begin to comprehend it. Which may lead to a design argument, followed by my answer of design is an illusion. Which would finally lead to the theists response of it's faith. There are a few more steps in there somewhere, but this is how every single debate about god goes (more or less). So, whatever, I give up...............for now until I decide to abuse myself some more.

Have a blast and help others do the same,
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child, as cute as that is it is invalid as a point and really grasping ....illusion is not real how can you be trapped in the unreal????

*sighs* Apparently you don't fully understand the concept of an illusion. People can be trapped in illusions just as much as they can be trapped in lies or paradigms of some sort. However a person who is trapped within an illusion isn't free to notice what is outside of the illusion, much less understand it.

Some could say that belief in god is being trapped in an illusion.

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