Abraham had a vision and this is what he wrote down.

"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned, and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed. I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety of my country than ever before, even in the midst of war."

I don't know for sure if Abraham Lincoln really said this but doesn't it sound familiar to today. Corpoations useing the government to do thier will.
I liked to know what you think?

What I mean is... we have media corps, auto corps, and especially oil corps dictating what our government is doing?
Everything from Enron to Haliburton has some politicians in thier pockets. Did Abraham really see this coming ahead?

What do I think?
I think it's a hoax. Someone created this Lincoln quote. It just sounds too pat.
Years ago I read that the two persons to whom false quotes have been most attributed to are Abraham Lincoln and Mark Twain.
I don't know if this statement is true. It seems to me that Jesus and Adolph Hitler have also had their share of false quoters.
But nonetheless, Lincoln and Twain's legacies have been plagued by false quotes. I suspect this is yet another.

Thanks Gatofeo, I've seen this on several of Lincoln websites... and so it goes to show, never believe eveything on the web.

regardless of who came up with this...it still holds true to the day.

Lincoln was actually known for having premonitions. He once saw himself in a mirror with his gunshot wounds. He also had an out of body experience where he went downstairs and found everyone upset. He asked them what the problem was and they said that the president had been shot. Eerie.... So if he can have those premonitions, I wouldn't put it past him to have said/written those words, (but yes he is one of the most misquoted men in history)

And George Washington also had his own premonition. The figure of an angel appeared to him during the revolutionary war. It told him of three horrible periods that the US was going to go through (the first being the revolutionary war). The second said something about brother vs brother...which we can identify as the Civil War. The last is supposed to be the worst. The US is supposed to be brought to almost total destruction, but it survives.

I've read this too but i noticed it never mentions WWII maybe Hawaii wasn't part of the mainland and yet soldiers died there too.

That and the USA wasn't almost completely destroyed...

In terms of US deaths to population...The Revolution and the Civil War had the largest detrimental effects on our population.

the premonition only dealt with major wars on the mainland...I ask though if the wars on the Native Americans can fulfill this last disaster?

You know for sure that the premonitions only dealt with wars on the mainland? When I read that I immediately thought of the Cold War and how close we were to nuclear holocaust.

Actually, most websites I've found say that it was Lincoln, written in a letter to Col. William F. Elkins in Nov. 21, 1864. Thing being, corporate law existed in the US in the 1880s and indeed the first corporation can be traced back to Sweden in the 1300s. All this letter proves is that Lincoln was a shrewed statesman who could see the way things may develop based on his current observations.

Its like that guy years ago who said "one day we'll get computers that'll fit in one room". He wasn't a visionary, just pointing out the obvious from contemporary events.

The premonitions gave him images of the mainland burning and the sounds of people screaming in pain and suffering. After it was done, the little that was left got back up and rebuilt. So yes, just wars on the mainland.

On the otherhand, I think the cold war is still going. North Korea and South Korea are only in a cease-fire. Technically that war is sill on...and now one side has nukes...sound familiar? Russia and Brittan are in that stupid ambassadors feud over the poisoned spy from last year. The USA is threatening to attack Pakistan, (which also has Nukes by the way).

Pakistan!? Hopefully Bush is not trying to leave office with that on the table and then pass the buck on to the next President!? At least I don't think he will?

Does that necessarily mean war? Could it not also refer to a natural disaster that was so huge that it would devastate the country?

If that's the case, then I agree with your idea that the last prediction can be interpreted as the Native American genocide. That's pretty ironic, seeming as George Washington was a big Native American fighter. If only the premonition had worked, maybe we could have stopped the killing of Native Americans before it took a firm hold in our country's policy. George would have probably been too stuck in his ways anyway, even if he would have interpreted it that way.

I'm not saying the premonition was divine in any way, just that if he did have some kind of vision I wish he could've interpreted it our way.

I just do not believe that people from the North looked at the expansion in that way; they did not see a destroyed Republic. Now, the next thing that they say will be that that was why Abraham was shot at Ford's Theater, because he was warning the people against the actions of the Federation and that John Wilkes Boothe was an assasin sent by King George to slow down the expansion and cause confusion. Well, OK.

No, Lincoln was killed because a good-ole-boy was a sore loser (twice over). He had the chance to take out the president and he took it.

Of course it would be a northerner who would look at it that way. Southern plantation owners are very liken to the corrupt businessmen you see today in politics. They sit around and throw their words around an act all important, while it's their army of workers who really get everything done. Lincoln was once a poor farmer, he would be mighty opposed to such a concept as businesses running the government.

And my Native American comment wasn't a last-ditch-hope-effort to try an convince myself or anyone that the last one had been fulfilled. The way it is described makes it sound worse than the indian wars. Frankly, I think there's gonna be another war on the mainland...and it's gonna come from the arctic circle and S. America.

I don't see how unless we were seriously caught off guard in so many areas. Russia and its allies know too well the repercussion wouldn't benefit 'no one'. Even if we were invaded, U.S. missiles would launch from sea and end the threat.

I hear most historians and such believe that the future of warfare is in comparatively small engagements like we had in both wars with Iraq and with the engagements in Somalia and Afghanistan. I think most believe it's just too difficult these days to appoint a crazy leader who wants to mess with a country similar in size and face nuclear war. I personally don't really know if that's true or not, but since World War II we haven't seen a whole lot to the contrary. Maybe the Cold War, but I think that should actually support the argument because the two countries were afraid to cross the line.

You don't see tensions growing? Russia and the US's diplomatic relations are at an all time low since the end of the cold war. We're the invading force in a historically unstable region. North Korea is being defiant...and then cooperative...and then defiant. China is killing our pets and poisoning our toothpaste. Our military is stretched out on almost all of the continents, and Bush is considering war with Pakistan?!?! I think we've elected one of those crazy leaders. Three cheers for the religious right!!

Bush is gonna be gone in a year. I think he has stirred up a lot of bad feeling about the US, but the rest of the world is not stupid. They aren't going to think that even though Bush is gone the next guy is going to be just like him. Either the rest of the world realizes that soon things should be different here in the US, or if they don't realize that then in a year things will be anway. Now let's just hope that the next leader really isn't like Bush and can show the rest of the world the US isn't always so "our way or the highway".

Yea, let's hope it stays the way it is right now...but I can see things going horribly wrong in the coming months.