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tnr
Check this video out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fb6DA6Y4hjY

I built it and it DID NOT work. If there is anything like it (Tesla, Hutchison etc) tell. Dont get mad.
questionmark
And this pocket player trick is supposed to work because of... ?

aztek
was not sure before i build it, now i,m convinsed, it,s a bunch of crap, it doesn,t work.
questionmark
OK guys lets have a lecture in fundamentals here so you understand why it cannot work:

To start with, who ever want to sell you a anti-gravity device surely does not know the difference between gravity and gravitation, and does not care:

So here we go:

Gravity: The force which attracts objects to the center of the Earth according to Newtons theorems.

Gravitation: The force of nature which manifests itself as a mutual attraction between masses. (Chambers Dictionary of Science and Technology)

The second definition gives as a little clue that it is not necessarily the Earth that attracts the apple to fall on Newton's head but that they attract each other. The reason why the earth is not displaced in the direction of the Apple (it is, but in a minute non measurable distance) is that the mass of the Earth is many times larger than that of the apple.

If you want to build something that is "anti-gravity" it is not sufficient to create a force field (which I cannot see in that trick shown in the video) but you must create opposing forcefields, which as yet can only happen if the masses are big enough.

Ah yes, before I forget it, there are anti-gravity machines already in use, they are called hot-air balloon, or rocket, or helicopter.


draconis
QUOTE(questionmark @ Jul 22 2007, 08:18 PM) *
Ah yes, before I forget it, there are anti-gravity machines already in use, they are called hot-air balloon, or rocket, or helicopter.


helicopters and rockets are not anti gravity because they use a force to repel off a surface, anti-gravity ignores gravity altogether

*spelling mistake*
questionmark
QUOTE(draconis @ Jul 22 2007, 03:29 PM) *
helicopters and rockets are not anti gravity because they use a force to repel off a surface, anti-gravity ignores gravity altogether

*spelling mistake*


I was waiting for somebody to say that because that way I can add: then it is impossible unless you find an object without mass.

See above

ED:Typo
Cdt_Lovekamp_US_ARMY_ROTC
wow wonder ho long i took this moron to put togethr this obviously fake movie seems like a waste of time now huh
Legatus Legionis
there are lots of problems to be able to call this thing to work.
camlax
QUOTE(questionmark @ Jul 22 2007, 08:38 AM) *
I was waiting for somebody to say that because that way I can add: then it is impossible unless you find an object without mass.

See above

ED:Typo



You would hope in the 21st century the idea and workings behind the basics of gravity would be common knowledge, but alas too many late nights of battle star galactica for the average joe it would seem.
RabidCat
QUOTE(draconis @ Jul 22 2007, 05:29 AM) *
helicopters and rockets are not anti gravity because they use a force to repel off a surface, anti-gravity ignores gravity altogether

*spelling mistake*

Helicopters use lift; they are technically rotary winged aircraft. The blades of the rotor are airfoils, just like the wings on a fixed wing aircraft, and the control of the bird is by varying angle of attack of the blades, dependent on the quadrant they are rotating within. Not antigravity.
Rockets use action-reaction (Newton). They need nothing to push against, as many think (will work in space as well as within atmosphere, obviously).

So neither repels, nor does a hot air baloon.
dest_titor
the batterys on the can and the battery on the cd are making an energy feild magnetic force really the cd act like the convayant of energy that magnitysis the dime making it float the card is for stability the cell phone is to pull the energy feilds together

so all is does is this positive pluse positive = repulsion
questionmark
QUOTE(dest_titor @ Jul 23 2007, 06:44 PM) *
the batterys on the can and the battery on the cd are making an energy feild magnetic force really the cd act like the convayant of energy that magnitysis the dime making it float the card is for stability the cell phone is to pull the energy feilds together

so all is does is this positive pluse positive = repulsion


And the connections of the batteries are ...?

scoopy
It`s actually pretty easy:

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questionmark
QUOTE(scoopy @ Jul 24 2007, 02:24 AM) *
It`s actually pretty easy:

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Ehm... yes, I thought it must be something like that rofl.gif
Anakim
LMAO 100x over! That 1 made my day!
tnr
Here is a good anti gravity/prepetual motion video.

Enjoy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvRzWYCZ2e0
ThePitOfReason
Yea I built the same thing and couldn’t get it to work. I tried new batteries and different cell phones and it never did anything but made me feel stupid going at it far enough to try it. #1 A dime is not magnetic correct? #2 Batteries hold no electrical current value with out the use of both the positive and the negative post being applied to the source do they? #3 Is a CD capable of an electrical current transfer?

Perhaps a magnetic field can be generated from the presence of nothing more than electrically charged objects without direct connection to both positive and negative sides. Maybe! But it would take a little more than 4 AA batteries to lift a dime now wouldn’t it?

That cell phone may also be old next to what we have now and more radiation.
PulsE
i would prefer those things that repel gravity instead of anti-gravity (if there are such things)
if you ignore gravity then earth will leave you hanging in space coz earth is revolving around the sun
and without its gravitation we are thrown in space
Tamsen
I think it's because of the "magnets" in the batteries. Uhmm, not so sure, I don't really know much about that. I'm thinking about building that too..
camlax
QUOTE(ThePitOfReason @ Jul 28 2007, 01:33 AM) *
Yea I built the same thing and couldn’t get it to work. I tried new batteries and different cell phones and it never did anything but made me feel stupid going at it far enough to try it. #1 A dime is not magnetic correct? #2 Batteries hold no electrical current value with out the use of both the positive and the negative post being applied to the source do they? #3 Is a CD capable of an electrical current transfer?

Perhaps a magnetic field can be generated from the presence of nothing more than electrically charged objects without direct connection to both positive and negative sides. Maybe! But it would take a little more than 4 AA batteries to lift a dime now wouldn’t it?

That cell phone may also be old next to what we have now and more radiation.



No mystery about this, I didn't watch all the video but Ill tell you what they did or tried to do. Currents, even small ones from a battery, produce a magnetic field. The field is a force just like gravity. If you produce a magnetic field equal to an objects weight (remember weight and mass are different, weight is the force produced by gravity on the mass) the object would have and net force of 0 acting upon it. It would float, if you increase your current at this point, it will increase your force due to magnetic field, now the object would experience a force upon it with a negative value (relative to gravity's force vector), so now the object would float up.


Nothing mysterious or cryptic about this. Just fun with electric and magnets.
tnr
But it doesn't work. How could that field be strong enough?
OptimisticSkeptic
I'll give some hints on how this is done:

1. It's harder to setup without the break in the video telling you to "power on your cellular." A live version is trickier, but very much possible.

2. The rack to the back and left of the CD and upright batteries is required, or something of similar height and proximity (about the same height/distance as the aluminum can, and located directly on the other side of the CD.)

3. Poor quality video = Good when there are details that you don't want seen.

4. My version is much more impressive since I have, through much research and experimentation, eliminated the need for the dime, the can, the CD, the cellphone, all four of the batteries, and the rack, leaving just the card and my own hands.

5. Spiders are wonderful creatures.

And you should see what I can do with a styrofoam cup!


tnr
You have a "version"?
cerberusxp
None of what I have seen on U TUBE, has created an electromagnetic dynamo engine. Where as it would create it's own field of force. Which is what needs to be done. What I'm trying to say here is force in all directions. Then by manipulating the center of that force you will get movment in which ever direction desired. It has been done it is real the tech is real. Lock Heed Martin has it our U. S. Gov. has it. I've seen a UFO petty close at night. But was unable to see the craft it self, because it was shrouded in side the electromagnetic plasma field around it.
Jiatao
In anti-gravity, things don't float, they don't go up unless a force acts on it.

I think it's something with magnets.

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dcman
QUOTE(questionmark @ Jul 22 2007, 12:38 PM) *
then it is impossible unless you find an object without mass.


...but mass can be shielded from the effects of gravity. It's not anitgravity, it's gravity shielding.

http://www.scansite.org/scan.php?pid=158
keithisco
QUOTE(camlax @ Aug 4 2007, 08:56 PM) *
No mystery about this, I didn't watch all the video but Ill tell you what they did or tried to do. Currents, even small ones from a battery, produce a magnetic field. The field is a force just like gravity. If you produce a magnetic field equal to an objects weight (remember weight and mass are different, weight is the force produced by gravity on the mass) the object would have and net force of 0 acting upon it. It would float, if you increase your current at this point, it will increase your force due to magnetic field, now the object would experience a force upon it with a negative value (relative to gravity's force vector), so now the object would float up.
Nothing mysterious or cryptic about this. Just fun with electric and magnets.

Oh Please Camlax.....
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a magnetic field equal to an objects weight
magnetism has no effect on non ferrous material so would not work.
aztek
ha, i have a version too, it is in my pants, and it defys gravity every night
tnr
QUOTE(aztek @ Sep 7 2007, 08:05 PM) *
ha, i have a version too, it is in my pants, and it defys gravity every night

Wow, I hope that doesn't give this thread a bum-wrap.
Jiatao
QUOTE(questionmark @ Jul 22 2007, 06:38 AM) *
I was waiting for somebody to say that because that way I can add: then it is impossible unless you find an object without mass.

See above

ED:Typo


photons don't have mass, and gravity capture them too.
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questionmark
QUOTE(Jiatao @ Sep 10 2007, 02:45 AM) *
photons don't have mass, and gravity capture them too.
huh.gif


Hmmm ... http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/phy00/phy00332.htm has the explanation for that.

GirlInBlack
Toast doesn't always land butter/jelly side down. Anyone here watch Mythbusters?
NeoGenesis
I agree fully.But there has been other ways discovered to defeat gravity.This comes in the form of HFE (High Frequency Emitter) devises which do work but the technology is still
far lacking to propel an aircraft across the sky.Although that is still a step forward.
badeskov
QUOTE (Universal-Visionêr @ May 3 2008, 10:32 AM) *
I agree fully.But there has been other ways discovered to defeat gravity.This comes in the form of HFE (High Frequency Emitter) devises which do work but the technology is still
far lacking to propel an aircraft across the sky.Although that is still a step forward.


It is still not anti-gravity. If the HFE device is what I think it, it creates lift using the surrounding air. It does not negate gravity.

Cheers,
Badeskov
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