QUestions.....and nothing more than just questions below....................PLease read ALL 1st before posting

How harsh and Ignorant was jesus?

Was he all about discrimination? Judgement of others on earth?

Is the term - Jesus loves us ALL...just for ha ha's??

What about what he is meant to have stood for - Love - Forgiviness, Compassion ect <---was that only now and again IF you fit a certain criteria??

I asked similar to this to a christian and a christian replied with....





So in a nut shell YES according to this one christian...regardless who's feelings it may hurt...Jesus was that kinna guy...


If he is that kinna guy then...WHY follow him??

Why Accept him??


QUESTION - Would you personally accept someone that was - harsh..discriminating towards others, regardless whos feelings were involved..........would you be as KEEN to accept them and follow them??

Heck I wouldnt even allow him into my home, let alone accept him

NOW - Who here think and BELIEVES all that is written above is utter cobblers??



The other side of Jesus..the goodness ect
And if jesus is the opposite of that............and he really is all about love, compassion, forgiviness, friendship, UNDERSTANDING to ALL and it really means ALL (not just a selected bunch lol)

Why do **some** christians condem other faiths?? and preach that Jesus feeling the same as them......and show disrespect towards other faiths...claimig the same thing

So when asked - Is this rally what Jesus stood for.............the answer I got in return was - YES..........shocking but true

So as i have recieved mixed signals on Jesus.........

Has anyone any real thoughts of what Jesus stood for and if so, do you think you practice it and others practice it??
Please note this thread is aimed at anyone...who would like to set the record straight on What jesus REALLY stood for and what he was about....as the above are only options and other ideas mixed up

He wasn't ignorant. However, he WAS quite harsh.


Jesus didn't discriminate, and at the time he came, judgment wasn't his purpose.


No.


He stand for Love, Forgiveness, and Compassion. He always has, and he always will.



If you know the truth to something, are you gonna lie so that people's feelings get hurt. If you have a friend, and she's a little overweight, and she asks you "Do I look fat in this?", and she's wearing and tight shirt and DOES look fat, are you gonna say no to protect her feelings? You shouldn't. If I had a friend like that I'd say "You can see can't you? Stop denying your fat, and wear something loose. If not for the sake of your reputation than for the sake of my eyes."



It's different for each person.


It depends. Discrimination is wrong in many cases.




Because some Christians are ignorant. Just like some-everything.



Jesus stood/stands for love, compassion, mercy, grace, judgment, righteousness, intelligence, and God. He came by God to proclaim God, to die in love, and to rise in righteousness grace and judgment. He encourages intelligence and he stood up for those who were weak. He stands for good, but does not tolerate evil. He is strong and stays true to his principles. He abides by TRUTH and truth alone. He followed one will and that was HIS will. He came to save, proclaim God, and to spread truth. If your don't like him, tough.

Jesus corrected but He didn't condemn anyone.

Thats right he didnt CONDEM anyone...

Can you tell me why some chrsitans feel its their duty to condem others?? <--just asking a question

I was going to vote, but all the responses seem a wee bit biased, so I will refrain.

You dont have to vote..you can post your thoughts..the poll is not a requirement..its optional

Who is condemning you?
You have to also remember that Christians aren't exempt from sin. Not any of us. That is why we need Jesus Christ.

Condemn-

to pronounce guilty

to declare to be reprehensible


If you have to correct someone, your saying that they were wrong. If they weren't wrong, than why correct. If Jesus corrected, he condemned.

At what point in this entire thread did you read I was condemed....???? please point out were BM has IN THIS THREAD said she was condemed??

thanks

Oh my stars & garters. What a skewed little viewpoint.






Notice any difference between "correct" & "condemn'?

Yep, correcting is making right. But you can't make something right if nothing is wrong right? you don't fix what isn't broken. If Jesus corrected then he condemned, because you can't correct without first seeing that something is incorrect.

To correct someone isn't condemning.

A quick example is if someone is learning another language, let's take English for example. A Spaniard learns English, he visits, say, England, in a cafe he asks for two cup of tie. I sure hope that someone will correct him and say "no, it is two cups of tea". That is not condemning but it is being kind in order that he learns English better.

The same goes for any other act on Earth. Jesus didn't condemn, in fact he told people not to judge lest ye be judged. Correcting someone is showing an act of kindness and is doing them a service, condemning is judging someone - there is one massive difference.

Christians condemn themselves and others by simply stating the idea of "Sin" as fact.
Though of course this self-condemnation isn't so harsh when you believe that all is fine for you, so long as you accept Jesus as lord.

Don't worry, my contempt is quickly diminishing as long as believers don't try to convert me.

Who says there's no such thing as a kind condemnation? To correct his English is to say that his first try was wrong. To say that he was wrong is to condemn. But correcting you are saying that something is wrong, and are therefore condemning as well.


Jesus didn't say not to judge. TOO MANY take that verse so out of context. He said "Do not judge or else you too will be judged. For in the same manner that you judge others so shall you judge." For instance, if you hit someone for killing a fly, than God will hit you for also killing a fly. The message is, don't judge someone for something you yourself might be doing, or (in other words) don't be a hypocrite. Because in the same light you hold another person for doing something, God will hold you in that light for doing the same thing. If you disrespect someone because they lie to you, than God will disrespect you if you lie to him. Don't be a hypocrite, and you have nothing to worry about.....anyways, I was just clearing that up, it WASN'T on topic.

I didn't hear Jesus speak hateful words. Then again, he never existed in this time period, now did he? How would we know, and how can we judge? We CAN'T.

*shakes head* I think this whole thread is way off...so Ill refrain from any opinoin at this time..

He DID NOT condemn anyone.

This brings to mind the adulterous woman who the pharisees and scribes were ready to be stone...

Jesus said to them, "He who is without sin cast the first stone". Not a one of them dared to throw a stone. They all walked away one by one.

Then what happened?

When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more. John 8:10-11

Exactly WWF! The man known as Jesus tried to teach understanding & peace. Was he himself not critisized and condemned for hanging around tax collectors and prostitutes?

i just voted based on the answer i thought answered the question at hand

You dont have to pick a poll answer lol

You CAN post your views on how YOU see Jesus...after all if you read the OP it does ask this

No you don't understand, the example I gave was actually true and the Spaniard who told me this story actually said, that he welcomed someone correcting him on his English, otherwise how would he learn. He was damn fluent in the end, could speak it better than I could lol.

Condemning means to express strong disaproval of, to pronounce judicial sentence on, to demonstrate the guilt of, to judge or pronounce unfit for use.

I sure hope when I corrected my kids when they were little they didn't take it in that way. Condemning is totally different from Correct, sure if you correct someone you are, in effect, saying something is wrong, but there is not one person alive who will do everything perfectly ALL of the time, we all learn and by learning we have all been corrected in some way. On a personal level, whenever I have been corrected, I haven't taken it as a condemnation, if I had I would be a quivering wreck by now, wondering who was going to "pick on me next"

Jesus is accepting of all, BM, not all are willing to accept Him, it's a subtle but important difference. Neither Jesus, nor any of the Christians here have said that someone here can't have a relationship with Him, if you read what many non-Christians have said though you see that they reject Him.

This thread has nothing to do with non christians...its about christians and Jesus..on how christians view Jesus and all he stood for...not about non christians..cuz everyone knows what non christians think of Jesus

So your anser is Jesus accepts ALL <--thats all you needed to say IAMS without the but LOL

it seems to that jesus taught conditonal love also .....

Thats what I heard lol


But you as a parent..understand and you demonstrate - UNconditional love ........so do I ...cuz its in our nature..dont you agree?.

Jesus's love isn't conditional.

yes i do sis i strive to come form this natural love in my parenting....It is natural recently a freind of mine said some thing very similar... we were discussing the traditional way of punish style parenting and I asked her if she employed this method she said no sheri it jsut doesn't feel natural.. she said her hubby said maybe they should use this but she told him NO .... she would feel like a monster these were gifts and she was gonna follow what was in her naturally..isn't that beautiful????

Oh??? raises eyebrow* how are you defining love child, first of all???

.......as long as you bow before him.

Love as in Love. You know what love is (I feel too lazy to look up a definition). Yes, Jesus's love is unconditional. Those of us who desire God will be with God eternally, and those of us (like Atheists and other such believers) who don't desire God won't be with him eternally. They'll be some where else.

I'm not gonna look it up either lol but I think each person has a different understanding of what "love" is. I think everyone desires peace and tranquility, not only in this life but hopefully after we die too. Nobody wants to go to this place called hell if it is what it is made up to be. Why would God want us to know him through some type of book written by other men? Why doesn't he just reveal himself to us individually so we don't have to base our love on faith and hope? I just think it a person's love would be much more passionate if the person knew just exactly he was loving...

Yes it is beautiful

good question cloud.

Without all the hoopla, isn't god capable of sending a message to each of us? In the form of a dream, or vision, clear & concise enough that there would be no ambiguity?

Imagine that, if one day at work you said: "Hey, last night I had a dream from god...."
And your co-worker says: "Hey! Me too..."
And another..........
and another.


It would be miraculous; it wouldn't violate 'free will'; and would clear up a great many clouded issues.

Of course, the true believers will say "NOOOOOOO! God is MY personal friend! You can't play with him! You can't get a message because, the bible says only the chosen........."

You CAN know what your loving. God will reveal himself if you truly want him to. Ask him to and he will. However, you might not understand it, or say the revelation is something else (like a mental illness) if your heart is not in the right place. Just wait a while, it might not be God's plan for you to understand and know all about him just yet. I don't know everything about God. In fact, the more I learn the more questions I have. I don't believe that God wants a person to base their faith solely on the Bible. But I also don't think he wants anyone to completely disregard the Bible (especially the OT).

Hmmm good thinking cloud...although its my belief that hell dont exist..if it does exist..then we are already living in it...here on earth..

Umm.....but....why would God show himself to everyone? Not everyone wants to follow God. If someone believes and God and wants to follow God, than they should ask for the revelation. However, if you don't believe in God than it shouldn't matter whether or not he reveals himself.

Ever get mail addressed to "Occupant"?

Instead of relying on a 2,000 year old mystery of faith, god, if he truly desired us to join him in heaven, could at least give us a clue that he is "the one true god", instead of pussifooting around the issue.

People would still have the choice to believe or not, but they would be doing so with direct, personal knowledge of what they were or were not accepting.


One would think that you & your bretheren would like that: It would put a stop to people saying there is no god............

Thats simple..only cuz they dont see proof of him...thats understandable

If God presented himself..then that wouldnt be a problem

Actually I think its a good idea that he should show himself..think of all the bickering it would put an end to

What about those that say they know God personally...on a personal level? like you would your mom or dad??

Child: I looked for you.....



this is taken from the bible and imo is a very good place to start in understanding the essence of love....... and note it isn't conditonal meaning it requires nothing , needs nothing , isn't jealous etc.... I am always intrigued as to how this gets overlooked so often... but to say jesus stood for unconditional love and then said i am the only way and the only truth and noone comes to the father except through me is arrogance and boasting and not unconditonal love LOL...







i'm simply showing you what is in your bible and not followed let alone understood.... jsut my two cents.....

WAY TO GO SHERI...WOW IMPRESSIVE STUFF

But, God doesn't want everyone to be the same in that manner. Your relationship with God is made a lot less personal if you have not worked to build that relationship. It's like with a house. You enjoy your house more when you have built it then when you have bought one. It's because you are reaping the benefit of hard work. If God revealed himself to everyone than faith would be a lazy thing where people love God because they fear hell, rather than loving God because they truly desire to be with him.



God doesn't want followers who follow because they know he's there and are fearful. He wants followers who follow because they realize God and wish to be with him.


I know God personally, on a personal level. I know my parents the same way I know God. In the same way that I don't know everything about them, I don't know everything about God.



OK. so you think saying he is the only way and only truth isn't loving. But, telling a lie and saying "Do what you want, you'll end up in heaven anyway" would be equally "unloving." God's love is unconditional. The only people who see conditions are the people who think part of him loving you is granting you entrance to heaven. He does want to be with everyone, but in love, he will not force anyone to be with him.

Well, in relation to the original post, Jesus in the Bible does say He came for judgement of the world, and to divide those who will receive Him from those who won't.

Ummm...... he was definitely not ignorant, although I understand that is the favorite insult around here when we disagree or are offended by something. LOL. If I had a nickel for everytime I have seen the word "ignorant" on these boards because someone was pissed off and disagreed strongly about something, I'd be a rich woman kickin my feet up on the beach with a Corona and not a care in the world.

The thing is, people have a misconception about Him.

His purpose is love, yes. He sacrificed Himself in love, and He loves us in spite of sin. He does not love us BECAUSE we sin, which most people want Him to do. He does not dismiss sin without the person first acknowledging that they are a sinner. He does not wave His hand and say, "Presto Magicko, I love you so much that I think your sin doesnt' matter and I'll just let it slide because I want to be a cool cat and get along with everyone."

Jesus Christ was not a people-pleaser. The love He brought is there for whomever wants to receive it, but I am afraid if you want to enter into a two-way relationship with Him, change and sumbission are required. This offends the ego and man's natural sinful ways, in turn prompting responses in those who don't want to change to be accepted by Him. If you choose to not change, and try to dictate to God that He must accept you WITH your current behaviors and attitudes and misperceptions about who is in charge, you will sadly be on the outside looking in on a wonderful life-changing experience that you could have had.

The arrogant heart will never submit, and that is a loss for that person on such a large scale that it can't be expressed.

The subject, "you" used above is not aimed at anyone in particular, just used generally.

Beautiful sentiment lil sister

texas a arrogant heart will always submit mon amie, there is never a loss in unconditonal love au contraire only perfection...... the relgions have built jesus in their human image too... one who walks in love never asks for submisson or worship. nor comes to judge and divide huamnity....... love endures all why is that heather ???? ...

A tad disrespectful to those of us that dont follow Jesus...I dont believe for a sec i have an arrogant heart

Although I will say this - Only an arrogant heart will say so to anyone that dont follow what they follow...that my friend is arrogant


IF he did..and we ALL followed him....there still could be a descission whether or not people will get into heaven...cuz who says that everyone will follow him, even though he has SHOWED HIMSELF??? the world is full of people that will disobey God regardless.................Just like your parents...we have at one point disobeyed them and heck we love them and KNOW they exist...didnt stop us from disobeying them did it??<---think about that before you post...cuz a lot do see God as a PARENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Hmm that dont make sense to me no ofence..cuz if you know your pearents personally..then you could answer questions about them who they are as people..what they like and dislike ect what their hobbies are...but you cant sit and tell me the same things about God..and you admitted you dont know everything about him

Child,

OK. so you think saying he is the only way and only truth isn't loving. But, telling a lie and saying "Do what you want, you'll end up in heaven anyway" would be equally "unloving." God's love is unconditional. The only people who see conditions are the people who think part of him loving you is granting you entrance to heaven. He does want to be with everyone, but in love, he will not force anyone to be with him.
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Hon do you think this is unconditonal love ???? If love is the perfection ( all things) how could anything be the truth or a lie.. woudln't all paths lead to spirit ??? this is what so many can't hear beccause if they did they would understand what unconditonal love is and for the first time walk in peace......

Exactly why someone who wants to follow God should seek God. Why reveal to everyone if not everyone will follow? He could instead just leave it up to the person to find him, which I believe he has.



I can't tell you everything about my parents, but I can tell you what they are like. I can't tell you everything about God, but I can tell you what he is like.



I'm sorry, but what is your question? It is your BELIEF that love is the perfection of all things. I believe that love is well love (I still have no formal definition). TRUE love, is telling someone that when they're doing something wrong, they need to fix it. If your children started doing drugs, it would be loving of you to tell them to stop.

It seems to me like the major miscommunication here is the meaning of love. Does love toward sinners mean that everyone gets the same treatment? No.

Love toward unrepentant sinners means that the offer is there all around them, 24/7, to simply opt out of death; the only admittance ticket to that, being HUMILITY and the acknowledgement that something is going to have to change. The thing that has to change is a simple admission of being motivated by selfish intent; and a regrouping of priorities and new decisions about what our resources of time and spirit and talent will be spent on. If you don't want to make any changes, that is fine, but it simply means you love yourself, and if you love yourself and are comfortable with that decision then you should not cry about God not rearranging His Kingdom to suit you. Edit to add verse: Matthew 10:39 "He that finds his life shall lose it, and he that loses his life for my sake shall find it." What you are spending your time seeking after indicates what you love; if you love yourself and love your life MORE than you love His truth, then the ends and consequences of this life will be your natural reward. If you recognize this life for what it is, a chance to ally yourself with Him (a second chance at true, eternal life), then you are seeking Him, and in putting aside the pleasures of this world you are indicating where your trust and love lies and what is important to you, and grace is what you will experience as a consequence of that. So we have the natural ends of sin, or grace; these are our choices.

Love toward the repentant sinner means that He STILL AND CONSTANTLY is changing us as we allow Him to, always offering redirection and growth and ways to further humility in Him.

In this postmodern world, the FEELINGS are everyone's god now. It hurts someone's feeling to be told that they are not right, and by Jesus saying that one must change to be accepted into eternity with Him, He is indeed saying that some things are wrong and some are right, and that those who are not willing to be shown what right is are going to not be included in the eternal Kingdom. Why? Because there are plans for the eternal Kingdom, and rebelliousness and childish demands that we are right and we better be appeased are just not a part of the plan.

The problem is not that God is inconsistent, nor is it that He doesn't love, the problem is the current skewed understanding of how love is supposed to be applied. He made us to be a balanced mix of emotion, spirit, and mind, but in our futile ways of trying to understand and control the environment around us, some will say that emotions come first and anything that hurts our feeling is wrong, when in fact it is our perceptions that are wrong. Some will say that only the mind must be used to "evolve," or "be enlightened," and that will save us. God will show anyone who asks, the recipe for the balance of those three elements that will yield the greatest joy. But so many don't want to receive that knowledge because they are convinced that they are perfect the way they are.