Has anybody any idea why Freemasons would advertise their symbology to Harry Potter lovers who are predominantly children?

I was told that even the author of the book gained remarkable success because of their back hand where artists like Terry Pratchett is still a relative unknown.

Some reference material HERE.

How in the name of all that is holy, are you picking up on this?? Jet, you are more twisted than the woman that wrote the first link on the Google search you posted!!

Because of a TRIANGLE?!?! You've got to be kidding, right? Your ability to hear some insane diatribe on the internet and then claim it as your very own and that it is TRUE is beyond reason!

How long has the triangle been used as a symbol of anything in the world? Longer than even the best fantasy stories concocted by the Freemasons themselves.

Please, before you make accusations that destroy your credibility, think for a bit - then post.

Sometimes Jet's consciousness isn't quite tuned into our reality.
He is either a prophet or a madman.

--Jaylemurph

lol this had to be one of the best threads ever, especially if you've ever read harry potter and clicked on the first link.

And the whole thing about the triangle was just stupid, i feel so sorry for the people that manage to pull out a conspiracy out of just about everything

For one very good reason, I think it unlikely that J.K.Rowling is a freemason.

JET, I tried to respond , but could not.

you might find this link interesting:

http://www.theblackvault.com/ftopict-63623.html

thunkerdrone, There is no lower Masonic hand signal that I know except the hand shake. No, I never said that J.K.Rowling was a mason, but you and I know that masons frequently bend the rules to allow their kind or those who are useful for their cause, to gain a fast track path to success. I know non Masonic witnesses, who refused Masonic wishes and handouts, that live in constant mental harrasement by remote, through higher masonic rituals who use mind control methods and order lower entitities, like those we see on the roofs of European churches ( ever wondered why churches have ghouls on them?) to also harras these people in methods similar to modern SATANIC OR NAZI MIND CONTROL PROGRAMMING.

One of these people is a friend, so I know exactly what I am on about, and perhps so do one or two of those who think themselves clever debunkers. J K Rowling has been influenced by masons all this time. That is part of the masonic purpose to help their own or squeeze the rules or certain indicviduals to do it their way. My friend told me that you either agree, or they attemp to ruin you..., which is not the original Masonic method, but the Odin/satanic infiltrated modern corrupt Masonic method. As this society prefers advancement by merit not by cheating....The masons are concidered a corrupt group of fraternities that spawn leaders of countries, that turn people into slaves.

Above 33 degrees there are various signals that groups like THE GOONS and Monty Python spent most of their time characaturing, though the public were oblivious to the symbology used by the higher orders than simple Masonic paper shufflers.

Is that what you were on about the hand signal? I wasn't. The hand signal is actually used a lot by SATANISTS, those who like the idea of ritual TV killings of Children under the banner MISSING CHILDREN STORIES. Where usually a child to be indirectly slaughtered is chosen from he thousands of missing children by THE SATANIC/NAZI GOVERNED MEDIA as anyone can realize by the frequency of deaths ending the news stories...but not all missing kids get killed right? So why are the media so accurate at choosing them..?

SO THE HAND SIGNAL, that is not Masonic IS S A T A N I C

SO WHY ARE AMERICANS VOTING FOR SATANISTS WHO BELIEVE IN THE RAPING OF WOMEN, MASS TORTURE, BLOODLETTING AND DRINKING RITUALS AND OF COURSE WORLD DOMINATION???

BECAUSE PEOPLE IN AMERICA ARE TOO SCARED TO STAND UP AND BE MEN AND WOMEN AND UNITE FOR CHANGE?

So they hide and things get worse...

The prefer to follow fools who slander those who reveal facts and truths.

Is that OK for you?

Let's endeavor to counter the posters 'viewpoints' in a more civil and cohesive manner, please, people. Sarcastic and denigrating comments are unproductive and inflametory and only serve to aggravate the person they are directed at. If you have nothing constructive to add to the discussion, don't participate at all.

Jet, you're better served making use of the 'report this post' button if you believe you are being unfairly treated. Your 'rant' has been removed as it was totally unjustified and inappropriate.

Let's stay focused on the premise of the original topic.

MM

So who exactly are the people who are "SATANISTS WHO BELIEVE IN THE RAPING OF WOMEN, MASS TORTURE, BLOODLETTING AND DRINKING RITUALS AND OF COURSE WORLD DOMINATION" and "who slander those who reveal facts and truths."

Cause, you know, if you don't have /proof/ these people are "RAPING OF WOMEN, MASS TORTURE[ing], BLOODLETTING AND DRINKING RITUALS AND OF COURSE WORLD DOMINATION" then saying so is, well, slanderous.

--Jaylemurph

What symbology? The only thing I can think of that would even come close would be the "deathly hallows" sign.



Who told you that? Maybe among children Pratchett may be a relative unknown, but until the Harry Potter series hit, he was the best selling author in the UK. IIRC he's an Officer of the Order of the British Empire.

wow Harry potter necro
take none of this literally. (except for the email to the authur, i'll let you know if i get anything back.)

*sarcastic tone*

what a wonderful author, she just converted everything from harry potter into something real, lets all do drugs and create a cult based on what she has just taught us, i should now go and send a letter to the website and let them know how thankful i am, wow i better make sure i apparate to the website.

FAIL.

Why would the Freemasons use a book that have a predominately child audience to recruit members?

Another thing you may want to consider is the ambiguity of symbolism in that you can practically get just about anything if your looking for it.

Ask the victims, and there are many they attempt to silence.

POLITICAL SEX SLAVES.

TThe tip of the iceburg until hushed up properly was having sex with boys. Politicians can do it, so can judges, and catholic proests. But when you attempt deeper research, you will understand what I mean by tip of the iceburg. Is it possible you can back your claims?

Transformation America, read it.. There are many reference points from that book.

mind-deprogramming.com

Those two sources represent the tip of the iceburg. Hunting and killing humans for sport is what US presedents do, so say many victims, I say MANY VICTIMS. Of course, if they appeared here, this adult/mature forum would boo them off for exposing real mysteries, right?

A woman released and hunted from a country house, told that her captors with rifles could not catch her as she escaped through the trees. They di not mind as they laughed at the sport. A real American woman, talking about a former presedent of the USA. Instead of refuting what could and was genuine information. Do research and know for yourself. The debuggers are not giving evidence, just emotional responses. So do the research and know.

FAIL, agreed, but who?

Do research on Project Superman, and know that the nazi's have camps in most influencial US college camps. Acting in secret, recruiting by kidnapping from monitoring children/teanagers who have psychic potential. If you want me to break that down a bit more, Harry Potter is a fantasy based on the ability to control reality with the mind. Of course they are interested, Nazi scientists will always hunt the brightest minds. You have to get over the fact that they still exist, then you are catching up at last.

NAZI SCIENTISTS using mind control methods to train these young to serve them and to manipulate the rare science of mind over matter.

So who exactly is not doing any research here? is this a place for kids or what?

agreed

Of course, we might just think that for once you have proof of some of your more far-fetched claims.
But again, no proof.

--Jaylemurph

interested in the whole scene.. saw this..


sick feeling in stomach.. read a bit more and saw more JET SAVAGE posts.. no drastic need to reply.. but strangely.. here i am..
it's beyond masonry. masonry is something we've managed to isolate and pin down to an extent.. it gets strange.. strange like JS stuff.. so strange it leads to
stuff like this http://www.gaiaguys.net/ so walking that path is a delicate matter, it is up to you?

spy kids movies, harry potter movies, eragon, narnia, secret agent cody banks, kim possible, lord of the rings, etc.. consider the content of these KIDS THINGS on a exoteric level.. what? escapist fantasy? idealising? being special? just entertainment? take your pick..
consider them again..
they all have this subtext where the kids (or hobbits in one instance) LEAVE FAMILY AND HOME TO DO A DANGEROUS QUEST/MISSION. now i know this is just formulaic hollywood drivel, but this is the whole point. a formula produces an effect, does it not?

ever wondered why star wars is harry potter is everything is you are me as we are all together? http://treebeard31.files.wordpress.com/200...arry_potter.jpg and hollywood is not what it seems.. (heh i always remember Icke ranting about how in ancient times, a wizard would make a wand from a holly tree, so from holly-wood) some very strange things to consider..

JS says harry potter teaches about using some kind of special powers (this always makes me think of the CIA recruitment ads that target the school leavers, where it appeals to the ego by more or less asking things such as 'ever considered yourself better than other people?')

In one of the more recent harry potter films, he's in a bath scene with moaning myrtle.. it's highly sexualised. IIRC there even seems to be a bit where she gazes down to a certain region of harrys anatamy and there is much body interaction. so i suppose this is how the system will start to give kids sex education? educating kids in sex.. system paedophile rings? hmm...

but i become lucid.. and strange..

proof for this could not happen in an internet forum.. i was curious that JS mentioned certain things, offering leads and not pushing the issue too far into strangeness beyond layman understanding..

OPERATION SUPERMAN
consider this. from what i read of it (it was many pages, a story about a supposed mind-controlled army dude etc etc) there is a part in this story that is EXACTLY what happens in total recall.. when they try to program Arnie and Ricter asks if he'll remember anything (the doc says no) so Ricter punches Arnie in the face. this is mentioned in project superman. the guy is saying the same thing happened to him.

how does this even unfurl from here..? it is like the john titor thing.. the time travelling guy who had the time machine in his car (back to the future I,II,III anyone..) the john titor thing seems dodgy to me, but there seemed to be top class info about CERN thru that? so just who was john titor?

i don't have the 3rd example folks but you get it.. does art imitate life or vice versa? said another way.. does fantasy influence reality or vice versa.. said another way.. do we put the truth in lies or lies in the truth?

Let me get this straight, Harry Potter is a Nazi indoctrination novel? Is part of the FreeMason conspiracy to dominate the world? There are Nazi mind control centers in our colleges bending the minds of our youth? My God!!!! Everyone Run!!!!! The next thing we know, Willy Wonka and the chocolate Factory is turning out mind control fudge!!!!! Or are they cloning people in the chocolate vats? Really now, the ranting of the uninformed is just truly ludicrous. If you look hard enough you can find satanic rituals and signs everywhere. If you just look hard enough and use your imagination. It is my opinion that anyone who truly believes in this STUFF about the masons trying to rule the world is speaking about something they know absolutly nothing about them except for what they read that has been written by a moron.
You lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas.

Thanks for the link... what is this 'Google?'
1...is this very thread
2...is a Jesus site
3.. is Harry potter and the gay agenda.

Settle down, dude.

I don't know why on Earth you would quote /me/ and try to suggest I buy into this non-sense.

Jetsavage started this thread. He thinks various Bogey men are trying to take over the world.
Not me.

--Jaylemurph

It's just a book.

this is what scares me..


cut right to the chase.. but if you did not pay attention along the way can you find your way back?

you are like the one who sits in the back seat of the car of your life, then arrives at the destination only to say 'i was not paying attention, i was in a car now i am at a place called an airport and you want me to get on this thing called a plane?' (yes.. isn't it amazing how something that is made of metal, and by all logic should plummet to the ground, but remains aloft.. through means few understand)

yes.. there are metaphors galore back there..


quite simply, in essence, yes.. why, are you being facetious?


see.. if you really believed that, you would be running and yelling for God just now.. but you don't really believe this, so you are just being funny here.. you have arrived at the airport still buttoned down in your plastic fantastic 4-wheel internal combustion engine dogma, so it is no wonder you point and laugh at airoplanes.. people naturally use this method to cope with a deep seated fear they do not entirely understand, i would imagine this 'trendy paranoia' was all the rage circa 1930-1940's germany? ..what do they call it, the zeitgiest? hehe..


well.. i was like 12 when i first saw the communist flavour of the oompa loompa's.. now that i'm older and jaded-er (bwahaha) i bet i will find even more subtext to the movie..


if you'll bare with me here.. you'll see that nobody made such a reference.. nobody mentioned chocolate vats, whatever.. this all came from you.. as you say "the ranting of the uninformed is just truly ludicrous" ..i couldn't agree more


it actually IS everywhere...


would ex-masons and other insiders (who become whistleblowers) then become said 'morons' ?
..or are they only 'not morons' when they are still involved in the shady dealings..?
this seems to reveal an insight about your own personal morales there..


it's a dog eat dog world.. deep down inside you know this.. why do you find it so hard to believe that we've identified a certain 'strain' of said dog with a taste for human blood.. everything fits here but you? come join the party.. all hail Moloch and stuff, we serve the reptillian hot-cakes at 19.5 o'clock

Good God. So much fail in one thread. I've read all the Potter books, and as far as I'm concerned, there's no use of masonic symbolism, masonic rituals, masonic pancakes or whatever. It's a series of fictional novels aimed at children and teenagers, not some secret doctrine aimed at recruiting members for a Satanic Nazi army preparing to take over Cadbury World.

was it Wilhelm Reich who said "it is possible for a man to escape from a prison.. but first he must realise that he is in a prison"
..pretty sure it was Hitler who said "how fortunate it is that the great majority of people simply do not think"


when i come to a thread expecting (for lack of a better word) debate, i do not leave stuff like this..


are you a fundamentalist christian zealot, californian beach bum, or both? just messin' with ya, but when confronted with "Abort, Retry, Fail" you always click 'Retry' at least once.. (don't you?)

but i want to harp on this >> your mom would have said "No" to you on any given amount of subjects during the course of your life.. especially formulative younger years.. do you then hold everything that proceeds from her mouth as 'Fail' simply because you do not agree with it "as far as you're concerned?"


ah, the professor speaks.. so enlighten us?
just messin' but i would not base my argument on personal feelings - there has been considerable mention made by us CT's about these 'control' methods and how we purport they stem from nazi ideology (in this thread and others, and if you are even quasi-a**ed about the matter, you will have encountered the trail in other threads also..)

so let's hear your side of the story if you don't mind sharing?


yep.. they say if it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck......

satanic nazi army = the exoteric public face = the dreaded 'what they want you to think' (and the hitler bogeyman) <-- notice how all these are 'the enemy' in the eyes of the "righteously angry"

--> notice how when the CT's start to shed light on the ESOTERIC HIDDEN FACE of the lucifer cult, everybody suddenly becomes agitated and doesn't want to entertain the idea anymore, because it starts to become a little too real.. i know it's confronting! so confront it..? what else are your options? <-- will you actually read this part and reply to it??

do you honestly expect the core-secrets of windsor pilates (house of windsor pirates) is going to be discernable in a kids book without being able to see between some lines?

do these mentioned secret societies band together in select private groups studying esoteric lore and supposedly developing human potential for [control] applications over other [lesser] humans (for good OR bad purposes ie: Harry <--> Voldemort) ??

does the harry potter movie depict a 'secret society' who 'selectively and privately band together' , 'studying esoteric lore' (which the muggles are not even aware of) 'for [potential control] applications over [lesser/muggle] or even fellow adepts ??

the subtext is there, and in many other kids movies (i mention some of them a page or two back, did you see? you didn't say anything? are you interested in learning about the subject or do you just wish to stay on the course you are on now?)

if you allow yourself to open up to those realities, more insights will follow (or does insight in those terms equate to insanity? hehe) ask more questions of things.. do what Electronic Arts is suggesting to the kiddies and "CHALLENGE EVERYTHING!" ~ "JUST DO IT" ~ "LIFE IS SHORT, PLAY HARD" (because) "YOU DESERVE A BREAK TODAY"


really, there is no need for this kind of nonsense.. if you go back and read what i actually posted in post #21, quote#4... ..these "Willy Wonka" kinds of responses bring you no gain..?

/brings out the peace pipe?
anyway i'll tell you here and now i don't know EVERYTHING about this topic.. but quite a few years ago i could have been a tin-foil hat wearer if i was not careful.. i was lucky that some kind of modicum of sense found me.. i stopped chasing the trail.. the fascination was power (Harry Potter, anyone?) and a percieved lack of my own power to shape my own life back then.. things got better..
soon after i did not need to refresh myself with the CT's.. they are just more or less out in the open now.. it's amazing how the elite seem to be getting careless.. like all this info about the bush connections coming to light etc etc etc, either the house of cards is crumbling or the snakes are merely getting ready to shed their "outer skins"

it's a bit like a childs fascination with Toys, i suppose.. this is fertile ground for Imagination (conspiracy theories) ..when i was a kid (as most of you who haven't blasted their brains with narcotics i'm sure will resonate with this) Toys seemed to be a big part of my (our) life(s) ~~ older people may even have said to us, "ahh toys are cr*p" but we were children.. and we were interested in childish things.. now we are older, we kind of give a nod to the existance of toys (we kind of give a nod to the existance of Conspiracies) we see how we were once there in that funpark, but progressed beyond it (there is no further need for Imagination/Conspiracising) ~ the CT scene is like that.. once you have 'thrilled yourself' to your limit (riding a roller-coaster) there is no further need to re-thrill..

one tends to resume the journey with a new insight, and a new goal..

one of us is wrong on all this 'CT nastiness' ..i DO SO HOPE IT IS ME!
my name was Ben, enjoy the journey!

I think sometimes people look a little too hard in seeking a conspiracy. By such logic any media phenomenon is part of the same conspiracy. i think it is far mroe likely that simply a lady one day had an idea for a series of books. She drew on many commonly known myths and stories to create her stories. They captured many people's imagination and were well marketed thus becomming a huge success. the forces at work are no more than talent, work, and luck. The same forces that to varying degrees dictate all success stories.

I agree I think people would even find evil in the book watch spot run it is sad. Not that the people are sad but just sad that people get to that state.

I also agree that the author of the book just used her IMAGINATION and also got her ideas from many different things and wrote a book that most children and adults love.

Just like how people are using their imagination to see conspiracies and plots that are not there.

It's a shame that people can not just pick up a story book and read it for what it is.... a story.

First of all, it's a book, people look way to much into this stuff.
Second, why is anything related to occultism automatically linked to the Masons? Did the Masons invent every single symbol and path in occultism and no one told me or something? Because many things are falsely linked to the Masons that has nothing to do with them.
Third, most people who say these things, know next to nothing about Freemasonry, they'll read a Wikipedia article on them and think they are an expert, and then go around spitting out this stupid crap.

If you want to see how stupid some of these people can be, look at this.

http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/hpmain.html

Lol that link was good for a laugh.

I know, its ridiculous

look i'm not going to harp on the issue but..


the same could be said of the boy who cried wolf. but there is a morale to the story. if one did not seek to 'look past' the outer layer of the story, one may not realise the connection, don't you agree?

if one is to be used as a vehicle for delivering content, one might simply be a 'mule' don't you agree?

when there is an abundance of media/info with the same subtext, it may take decades, but eventually it surfaces.. like how we can generalise about the 60's and 70's and make comments about hippies and free love, and in the 40's and 50's we can make comments about the red menace, etc ...don't you think?