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Blackwhite
The real life Doctor Who who believes he can build a time machine

by MICHAEL HANLON (Science Editor)
28th July 2007Daily Mail



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Ronald Mallett: Believes he can build a time machine for £120,000


Suppose it were possible to go back in time and meet the dead. To say all the things you never got a chance to tell a loved one who died before there was a chance to make your peace.

Just think if you could go back and warn someone that their lifestyle, their smoking or heavy drinking was driving them into an early grave.

You would not only be able to meet the dead - but to save them as well.

A new book tells the story of an extraordinary man whose life work is inspired by a longing to do just that.

It was the devastating sudden death of Ronald Mallett's beloved father which sparked his obsession with time-travel.

In pursuit of his seemingly impossible goal, he has overcome poverty and prejudice to become one of only a handful of top-flight black physicists in the United States.

He has enjoyed a glittering career as a professor at one of the country's leading universities - an achievement in itself.

But there has been only one motivation: to build a time machine. And, after years of painstaking research, Mallett is sure he's cracked it.

His journey began in the early 1950s, when this intelligent and inquisitive boy was ten years old.

He lived with his parents Boyd and Dorothy in a working-class Jewish area of the Bronx, in New York city. The Malletts were happy there, having escaped the terrible racism of the Deep South.

Boyd Mallett was a gadget freak, and a talented, respected electronic technician - one of his jobs was to wire up the new United Nations building being constructed in Manhattan.

His son worshipped him, and the pair would spend many hours in the evenings experimenting with capacitors and circuits, building crystal radios and other gadgets.

Then, the night after his parents' 11th wedding anniversary, Boyd died suddenly of a heart attack.

"For me, the sun rose and set on him," Ron Mallett said later. "It completely devastated me."

Boyd Mallett's death was probably preventable. He had always been a heavy smoker and workaholic and had started drinking too much.


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A scene from the BBC's Dr Who. The Doctor has had a time machine for years


His son sank into a despair that would not lift; indeed, he became severely depressed. Ronald simply could not accept that he would never see his father again. And he began to wonder if there was a way they could be reunited.

Mallett devoured the pulp sci-fi comics of the time, and began to realise that time travel was, at least in fiction, a possibility. Then he read what is one of the finest science-fiction stories ever written, HG Wells's The Time Machine.

In the novel, the time-travelling hero explains: "Scientific people know very well that time is only a kind of space. We can move forward and backward in time, just as we can move forward and backward in space."

Mallett was dumbfounded. If he could build a time machine, he could go back and change history and prevent his father's death.

From that day, Mallet became obsessed with time travel, despite having no clear idea of how it could be accomplished.

Wells's book was, of course, entirely fictional, and yet, just a few years after it was written, a German-Jewish physicist called Albert Einstein blew the science community apart. Einstein showed that time and space were indeed different aspects of the same thing - a concept called spacetime - which is at the heart of how physicists understand the way the universe is.

Mallett became obsessed with the German scientist - who had died in 1955, the same year as his father. Most importantly, Mallett realised - as Einstein had himself - that the new way of thinking about gravity, space and time contained in the physicist's Special and General theories of relativity meant that a time machine was at least possible in theory.

Einstein's equations showed that by twisting spacetime around, it is possible in theory to make a connection from future to past. Step into this timeloop, and you could emerge years later or earlier.

This idea would form the basis of Mallett's putative time machine. But, back in 1950s New York, he was a long way from his goal. Growing up poor and black, one of four children raised by a widowed mother who made ends meet by window-cleaning, is not an ideal recipe for academic success.

Undaunted, he studied hard at school and achieved good grades, particularly in the sciences. However, a university education was out of the question - there was simply no way his family could afford to pay for it.

So Ron Mallett joined the U.S. Air Force, in the hope of being granted a military scholarship so that he could later study physics. His test grades were so good that he was fast-tracked into the USAF's electronics school.

Despite his success, the past still intruded in the most horrible ways. Mallett's first tour of duty was in Biloxi, in the Deep South. There, for the first time in his life, he encountered the soul-destroying racism that had driven his grandparents north 40 years before.

"The first thing I noticed," he writes, "were the signs, the likes of which I had never seen before. 'Whites only'. 'No Colored'."

There was talk of beatings and worse for black servicemen who strayed off base. Mallett made a vow to remain on base for the entire duration of his training, which included courses in electronics and computing. He also spent hours in the well-equipped library, devouring everything he could both by and about Einstein.

His studies paid off. After he was discharged, he won a place at Pennsylvania State University, and began a degree in physics.

Eventually, in 1973, he won his doctorate, only the 79th black American ever to do so in this subject. Part of his thesis was an investigation into the theoretical possibility of using gravity to reverse the passage of time. In 1975, he was awarded a job as a professor of physics at Connecticut University - where he has worked ever since.

He remains the only black physics professor in America.

Despite the respectability of his CV, he still felt he couldn't discuss his ideas openly. "I feared professional suicide," he says now.

But, as his work continued, the story got out. Mallett's time machine went public in 2001, when New Scientist magazine ran an article about his design, and TV appearances followed.

"Mallett isn't mad," the New Scientist article said. "None of the known laws of physics forbids time-travel.

"In theory, shunting matter back and forth through time shouldn't be that difficult."

So, how do you build a machine which will take you back into the past - or forward to the future?

In fact, there have been several plans for a time machine devised by physicists since Einstein's mind-blowing discovery that reverse timetravel should be possible.

In 1974, Frank Tipler, a physicist at Tulane University in New Orleans, calculated that by constructing a huge cylinder in space and setting it spinning, it would be possible to drag spacetime into loops, creating lots of backwards time portals into which you could leap and then emerge in the past.

But he calculated that the cylinder would have to weigh about as much as the sun, and be compressed into a tube 60 miles long and 40 miles across.

Alternatively, as physicist Kip Thorn proposed in the 1980s, you simply need to create a 'wormhole' - a tear in the fabric of spacetime, using perhaps a tame black hole or dozens of nuclear bombs.

These ideas, while scientifically correct, were hardly practical. Squashing the sun into something the size of Dorset is likely to be beyond our ken for some time, and harnessing the power of a black hole sounds even harder.

Mallett's solution is much simpler. He thinks he can reverse time by using just a circulating beam of light. Light is energy, and energy can cause spacetime to warp and bend, just like gigantic spinning cylinders, he explains.

In 2000, he published a paper showing how a circulating beam of laser light could create a vortex in spacetime. It was, he says, his eureka moment.

The details are complex, to say the least. But, in essence, Mallett believes it is possible to use a series of four circulating laser light beams swirling spacetime around like "a spoon stirring milk into coffee".

If you were to walk into this 'timetunnel' - which would resemble a large vortex of light a few feet across - you could emerge at some point in the past. He thinks he can build a prototype machine in the lab, using today's technology, with funds of just $250,000 (£120,000).

However, Prof Mallett is fussy about who gives him the money. "We want non-military sources. I don't want to get to a certain point and get 'top secret' slapped over the project and have it taken away from us."

There are several important things to realise about Mallett's time machine. For a start, it would only be possible to travel back in time to a point after the machine was first switched on.

If you turned on the machine, on January 1 say, and left it running for three months, you could enter the machine in March and only travel back as far as January 1.

So no trips back to the Middle Ages or to Ancient Rome.

This would be staggering enough. Just think: a time-traveller could go back and meet himself. Or he could send back information into the past - including the results of horse races, stock market movements.

But consider, too, all the weird paradoxes that the time machine would create. You could come face-to-face with your past self, causing untold confusion. What, for example, would happen if you killed your past self? Would both versions of 'you' die at the same time?

Mallet believes these paradoxes would not in themselves prevent the construction of such a machine. But there are plenty of sceptics.

Some physicists think that the laser upon which his machine depends would need to be impossibly large or powerful. Others point to Stephen Hawking's 'chronology protection conjecture', which says that quantum effects may conspire to prevent the possibility of a time machine.

But, while some physicists have questioned Mallett's approach, no one has yet proved with absolute certainty that the machine would not work.

Mallett is now 62 years old. He still believes he will live to see the creation of the first time machine.

Sadly, the way it works means that he will never be able to fulfil his original wish - to warn his father about his deteriorating health. "My solace is that if this works, future generations will be able to use this technology to prevent the tragedy that I went through," he says.

If he is right, the little boy from the Bronx who lost his beloved father all those years ago will end up being the most famous inventor in history.

• The Time Traveller: One Man's Mission To Make Time Travel A Reality, by Ronald L. Mallett with Bruce Henderson, is published in August by Doubleday at £14.99. To order a copy (p&p free), call 0870 161 0870.

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Vilius
Very interesting thumbsup.gif !
Blackwhite
The fact that you can only travel back to a point in time AFTER the machine has been switched on also explains why nobody has ever seen a time traveller - because the machine hasn't been switched on yet, so they can't travel back this far.
PulsE
my comment
almost impossible and very dangerous
GeneBrowne
I watched/have the documentary of that on my computer.... very very cool. Mallet is a genious.


Gene
Primeval
I guarantee that this would get exploited by the government 100% if it worked.
PulsE
even though that invention might work i think its very dangerous
we still don't know whats its effect on humans after using the device/machine
gem
time travel is a myth.it would the natural order of things out of balance. it is just like believeing in zombies, elfs, invisibility/ or levitation of human(as in chris angel) or world peace!!! rolleyes.gif
Wicked K'lown
Why doesn't he just use magic or black magic or something to bring his father back, I don't want my life .messed up because of some paradox, and all human beings will be affected not just me.
Bigfooted_Hippie
If the machine really did work and he does go back in time and stops his father from dying doesn't that create a paradox itself? Because he would never have gone through the death of his father causing him to not create the machine.
ethereal scout
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Why doesn't he just use magic or black magic or something to bring his father back,


Yup - good point.

Why build an expensive time machine when a wacky voodoo witch doctor may be able to do the same with half a bats head and a cauldron of bubbling sulphur?

And on the off chance someone does manage it via the method Ive just described - please note that this message counts as a 'patent in kind' with regards royalties etc.
Leonardo
I'm not convinced that what would emerge from the other end of the time loop would be 'you'. If you step into a maelstrom of seething energy the likelihood is that you are going to be atomised and what emerges from the other end is just a burst of hard radiation and a little bit of matter reduced to it's most basic components. Not exactly conducive to going back to see the past.

Also, the only point in time one could visit would be the point at which the machine was last turned on. This is a loop, and the loop has only one exit. I see no way of being able to target any time other than the other end of the loop.
Lotus Flower
QUOTE(ethereal scout @ Jul 29 2007, 03:13 AM) *
Yup - good point.

Why build an expensive time machine when a wacky voodoo witch doctor may be able to do the same with half a bats head and a cauldron of bubbling sulphur?

And on the off chance someone does manage it via the method Ive just described - please note that this message counts as a 'patent in kind' with regards royalties etc.

Wacky voodoo witch doctor ROFLMAO!!!!!!

Wicked K'lown you make it sound as if necromancy is an everyday occurence laugh.gif

QUOTE(Leonardo @ Jul 29 2007, 11:46 AM) *
I'm not convinced that what would emerge from the other end of the time loop would be 'you'. If you step into a maelstrom of seething energy the likelihood is that you are going to be atomised and what emerges from the other end is just a burst of hard radiation and a little bit of matter reduced to it's most basic components. Not exactly conducive to going back to see the past.

Also, the only point in time one could visit would be the point at which the machine was last turned on. This is a loop, and the loop has only one exit. I see no way of being able to target any time other than the other end of the loop.

Leonardo, when you describe it like that it puts me off ever wanting to do time travel laugh.gif
GeneBrowne
QUOTE(PulsE @ Jul 28 2007, 04:12 PM) *
even though that invention might work i think its very dangerous
we still don't know whats its effect on humans after using the device/machine



QUOTE(gem @ Jul 28 2007, 08:23 PM) *
time travel is a myth.it would the natural order of things out of balance. it is just like believeing in zombies, elfs, invisibility/ or levitation of human(as in chris angel) or world peace!!! rolleyes.gif



QUOTE(Bigfooted_Hippie @ Jul 28 2007, 09:34 PM) *
If the machine really did work and he does go back in time and stops his father from dying doesn't that create a paradox itself? Because he would never have gone through the death of his father causing him to not create the machine.




You guys need to find that documentary. It's not at all like you think ... as I found out too. If someone can help me with making the 400mb file smaller, that will be appreciated. I can send it to some of you then, as I can't find anywhere to post it, and it's not mine so I don't have copyrights.

Cheers,

Gene
bluelight
how will he knows he be turning back in time and not cross over to a parallel dimension? O.o

what if he goes back in time but can't go back to the future =O

If time machine really works, god safe us all. Politicians will use it to.... *ugh*.... i'm not going to say. it be likea second Nazi coming >.<
Buck Fast Tonic Wine
I kinda hope i die before time travel ever works... I dont think i wanna see it.
GeneBrowne
http://video.google.ca/videosearch?q=Ronald+Mallett

I think this is the documentary broken up into little parts on Google video. Have a watch anyways. It will clear some things up for most of you.


Gene
GeneBrowne
It's not all from the documentary I have ... too bad. Does anyone know how to turn a 400mb file into something alot smaller?? Zip it perhaps?


Gene
Bigfooted_Hippie
QUOTE(GeneBrowne @ Jul 29 2007, 03:08 PM) *
It's not all from the documentary I have ... too bad. Does anyone know how to turn a 400mb file into something alot smaller?? Zip it perhaps?
Gene


Have you tried WinRar.zip or something like that?
GeneBrowne
QUOTE(Bigfooted_Hippie @ Jul 29 2007, 08:17 PM) *
Have you tried WinRar.zip or something like that?



Yeah I'm really unsure about it though ... I zipped it and it went from like 440 to 400 or something ... I'm going to ask my computer genius friend now ... he'll know.

Be back shortly.



Gene
Bigfooted_Hippie
QUOTE(GeneBrowne @ Jul 29 2007, 04:25 PM) *
Yeah I'm really unsure about it though ... I zipped it and it went from like 440 to 400 or something ... I'm going to ask my computer genius friend now ... he'll know.

Be back shortly.
Gene



Oh ok, tell me what you find out, I need something like that too lol.
GeneBrowne
QUOTE(Bigfooted_Hippie @ Jul 29 2007, 10:39 PM) *
Oh ok, tell me what you find out, I need something like that too lol.



Well I found out that I can't really make the video any smaller because they are compacted in their own way and that's why we need codecs and such to play them. I used Emule(downloading) program to find it and it downloaded in no time. You should really watch it and it will really change your views on Time Travel and how it is possible. PM me if you need any info on the programs.



Cheers,


Gene
Bigfooted_Hippie
QUOTE(GeneBrowne @ Jul 29 2007, 05:49 PM) *
Well I found out that I can't really make the video any smaller because they are compacted in their own way and that's why we need codecs and such to play them. I used Emule(downloading) program to find it and it downloaded in no time. You should really watch it and it will really change your views on Time Travel and how it is possible. PM me if you need any info on the programs.
Cheers,
Gene


Ok, but I never had any doubts about time travel; I was just wondering if him going back to stop his father's death would create a paradox because if his father never died he never would have thought to make a timemahine to go back in time with lol.
Ghø§t
He can make a time machine. It's called a rocket. Make one and set it off pointed in the opposite direction of the center of the universe.


You probably won't get younger but you are going back into time. ><
deserthunter661
all i got to say is awesome!!!!i hooe i live to see new inovations
Sadonis
Hrmmm....



They like to make a lot of theories but never able to test them?...

Then they say they need money.

Then they say it will work in the future with better technology.






The creation of a time machine would have devastating effects to the future. Even if one were made there would be so many laws made so that you aren't able to save anyone from death. I wouldn't want to save ANYONE. Not Lincoln, not Kennedy...NO ONE. It isn't some fascination with some sort of belief that "fate" wove their threads..it's pure and simple logic. Either one small thing millions of years ago or one big thing 20 years ago can change the current future. The domino effect applies so well here.




And I'm pretty sure it's impossible. The only way it would be possible would be by using subatomic particles since they seem to allow you to bend the very laws of nature that we uphold. To bad we can't really mess with them.
Mr.Dot
I am convinced that this time machine will not work, at least not be able to send anything to the past. And i will be forever right about this original.gif
Atheist God
QUOTE(Bigfooted_Hippie @ Jul 29 2007, 04:19 PM) *
Ok, but I never had any doubts about time travel; I was just wondering if him going back to stop his father's death would create a paradox because if his father never died he never would have thought to make a timemahine to go back in time with lol.


No he would simply create an alternate reality and this one would continue uninterupted as if nothing happened. If he could stop his fathers death he would create a split essentially we would not notice and nothing would change for us. However this is clearly not going to work because this is about as scientifically sound as Superman reversing the earths orbit to save Lois Lane from death.
GeneBrowne
QUOTE(Ghø§t @ Aug 1 2007, 05:44 AM) *
He can make a time machine. It's called a rocket. Make one and set it off pointed in the opposite direction of the center of the universe.
You probably won't get younger but you are going back into time. ><


.... what does that even mean? There isn't a center of the universe ... at least according to Mr. Stephen Hawking. It's calld the No Boundary Theory - the universe is finite but has no boundaries. So if it has no boundaries, it has no center. But what does he know?

QUOTE(Sadonis @ Aug 1 2007, 09:48 AM) *
Hrmmm....
They like to make a lot of theories but never able to test them?...

Then they say they need money.

Then they say it will work in the future with better technology.
The creation of a time machine would have devastating effects to the future. Even if one were made there would be so many laws made so that you aren't able to save anyone from death. I wouldn't want to save ANYONE. Not Lincoln, not Kennedy...NO ONE. It isn't some fascination with some sort of belief that "fate" wove their threads..it's pure and simple logic. Either one small thing millions of years ago or one big thing 20 years ago can change the current future. The domino effect applies so well here.
And I'm pretty sure it's impossible. The only way it would be possible would be by using subatomic particles since they seem to allow you to bend the very laws of nature that we uphold. To bad we can't really mess with them.


If you had to research this topic before you posted you would have realized that tests are talking place as we speak ... I mean type. You can't save anyone from death anyways ... what has happened in the past is the past. If you go back to kill your great grandfather, something will prevent you from killing him, or if someone dies and you travel back to stop it ... they'll die regardless of what you do, something will keep history in check becuase it's the path we're on ... we can't switch realities. You couldn't save someone regarless how much you wanted to. They are testing sub atomic particles ... and yes, with enough energy they can "bend the laws of nature" and are capable of time travel. You wouldn't get something like a person to have sucessful time travel(yet), as the arrangement of the properties after the relocation isn't in a stable form ... so if you were transported say across the room, you probably would die from not being reassembled correctly.

QUOTE(. @ Aug 2 2007, 03:23 PM) *
I am convinced that this time machine will not work, at least not be able to send anything to the past. And i will be forever right about this original.gif


How are you forever right about this? When Dr. Mallet flicks this machine on ... his prediction is that he will immediately recieve messages from himself from the future..... The past is able to be observed, or will be I should say, you can't change it ... but it's a possibility that it will be observed.

Gene
Crimsai
ok, maybe i don't understand this properly but in my opinion you would end up as a lot of different bits at the other end. This is because you wont be sent in one piece. say you were to put your hand in first, your finder tip would be sent to the other side before your finger or rest of your hand so it would just drop to the ground and you wouldn't have a finger tip. inless you could exist in the two time zones at the same time so your body would still be connected. it doesn't make sense, unless it makes sense...
GeneBrowne
QUOTE(Crimsai @ Aug 2 2007, 08:53 PM) *
ok, maybe i don't understand this properly but in my opinion you would end up as a lot of different bits at the other end. This is because you wont be sent in one piece. say you were to put your hand in first, your finder tip would be sent to the other side before your finger or rest of your hand so it would just drop to the ground and you wouldn't have a finger tip. inless you could exist in the two time zones at the same time so your body would still be connected. it doesn't make sense, unless it makes sense...



Ok .. I just watched the documentary again ... and for my own sake and some peoples here, I wrote down the commentary. It was long and I have 8 pages of notes. But I'll make a post later on tonight and if you guys are really really interested in this stuff ... this will give some great insight and probably clear up some trouble with some concepts. See you guys later.


Gene
GeneBrowne
Ok guys … I took some time and wrote out the commentary just because I love you guys lol … actually I want some of you to try and understand the whole thing a bit better, as you never know, it may happen soon.

Time Travel Special on Discovery Channel
Director: Simon Wells (Great Grandson of H.G)

Scientists are on the verge of accomplishing time travel. This century is going to be seen as the century of time travel, just as last century was seen as the century of space travel. Imagine going back to 1912 to save all those people on the Titanic by warming them of an iceberg, or going back to 1949 and assonating Adolf Hitler. Imagine all the lives that could be saved … too bad it don’t work like that.

“With the current technology, we can at very least send subatomic particles into the past“, says Ron Mallet. Accompanying this statement Dr. Mike Brooks states that if we can send subatomic particles into the past, we can also send information back as well.

In 1895, H.G. Wells wrote the book “The Time Machine” and inspired a breakthrough in modern day science with his concept. In his book, the young lad tried to go back and save his fiancée from dying, but soon finds out that he can travel to the future, which he does to see what the world turns out like. This idea was very brilliant and we will see how it applies in a few minutes.

Picture time as a 4th dimension and traveling through it just as you would travel across the street. Imagine you get an invitation to a particular meeting across your home town of New York. The invitation must have a number of pieces of information on it for you to get to your proper destination, on time. Since you’re in New York you will be given particular avenues and street numbers … for example:

1)34 Street - Since NY is set out as a grid, the street number will give you a position of north or south.

2)134th Avenue - An avenue will give you the direction in the east/west.

So far you have found your unique location of the meeting in 2 positions, or dimensions. Now you must have another piece of info to tell you where the meeting is in the 3rd dimension … or the floor of the building here.

3)47th Floor- Although a vital piece of info, the position in the 3rd dimension isn’t enough to get you to your meeting, you still need a time.

4)9 AM- The time. Without the time, you will never know when to be at the meeting, so it’s just as vital as the rest.

4 pieces of information describing a simple event in 4 dimensions (3 space, 1 time) - a single event in which scientists call space-time. Treating time as a dimension is why scientists consider time travel logical and also why it is so confusing to us. Suppose there is a world of 2 dimensions (a piece of paper for example laid flat … length and width, 2 dimensions). The beings from this particular world can only conceive length and width and not the 3rd dimension, height. Suppose you place a paper clip through the paper, giving it 3D qualities, to the beings this would have appeared from nowhere, i.e. they can’t conceive that it came from the 3rd dimension. If you pull it back out, to the beings it would have appeared to have vanished into thin air. In just the same way a creature from a flat world would see a 3D object do the impossible, we would see a creature from the 4D world do some pretty unexplainable things. They could appear, vanish, and appear again in a different time, literally. If you fold that piece of paper in half and then stick that paper clip through, you got an object appearing in 2 different places at once. That’s why time travel, travel in the 4th dimension, allows someone to be in 2 places at once.

As early as the 1970’s, people have been traveling in time just by getting on board a chemical rocket. All you need to do to time travel is travel very fast for a long time.

Most people think that time passes the same no matter where you are … New York, Paris, Australia, The Moon. It’s perfectly natural to think that time is consistent throughout the universe, as if there were a giant master clock for the entire universe and everything in it. That is incorrect. Time flows at different rates in different places. There are places in the universe where time sloooows down and if you visited these places, you would grow older slower compared to the rest of us here. This is the foundation on which Professor Ronald L. Mallet will build his time machine while working with Chandur Roychaduri (spelling?), an experimental physicist who specializes in laser technology. He hopes to create a machine that will use the principle of flexible time to send particles into the past.

Time is different for all and there are things that you can do which changes how the rate of time flows for you and that is what allows time travel. Don’t be fooled … this crazy notion is part of the bedrock for our modern day science as we know it. In 1905 a 26 year old, Albert Einstein, showed how space, time and energy are linked. We know that he was right in his doings because they led to the discoveries of the Atomic Bomb. This is the very same theory that should allow real, practical time travel.

Light travels very, very … VERY fast. It travels at about 670 Million mph, and if it circled the Earth, it would do so 10 times per second.

Imagine Einstein in a rocket ship in deep space. The ship has very powerful headlights, and when they are flicked on the light from them travels at, you guessed it, the speed of light. Imagine he has a twin brother who also has a rocket ship. Let’s say that he flies away from Albert at half the speed of light … how fast will the lights pass Einstein’s twin? Naturally you would think it to be slower, but it’s not! The light passes Albert’s brother going @ 670Million mph, so it turns out his speed makes absolutely no difference. The prediction of Einstein that the light is the same speed for everyone is one of the strangest in physics, but it’s true and this has been proved in experiments. Even if the twin turns around and flies towards Albert doing half the speed of light, the light will still appear to be traveling at 670 Million mph. So what’s going on? Welcome to the realm of time travel. If both brothers see the light moving at the same speed, then something has to give, and that something is time. If an object is moving fast enough through space, it can alter its passage through time. This is the famous theory of relativity and it means time is not as fixed as a steady ticking clock would leave you to believe. The faster you go, the slower time passes. The effect is not just theoretical, it has real everyday implications. A satellite orbiting the earth at 20 thousand mph experiences 200ths of a second less time than us here on earth (the built in computers of the satellite account for this, if not the clocks would fall further and further behind).

While jumping into the future is relatively easy, getting into the past is a different story, it’s not just a question of physics, there are other reasons for why 2 way time travel may not be possible, or even desired. Suppose Simon Wells, great grandson of H.G. Wells) went back in time to 1894, when he was trying to come up with the idea of his book. He wants to test the paradox so he tried to kill is G.G.F. In the world we live in, we can’t change the past even if we could travel in time. There’s nothing stopping a time traveler from taking part in something from another time, as long as the outcome is the same. Lets do suppose Simon is caught by the police and thrown in jail for attempted murder. HG eventually goes down to the jail to see who this strange man that wanted to kill him was. Simon explained the whole story of reading his book and traveling in time to test the paradox to H.G and all is forgiven and well and Simon is set free. The intriguing possibility is that Simon was the inspiration for “The Time Machine” which started this whole mess and very well could have played a role in the past. Back to Simon killing his G.G.F … no matter what he intends to do, i.e. kill him, something will happen to stop him from achieving his goals… so perhaps we have no free will and everything is destined.

Dr. David Deutsch (maybe this can be attributed to ghosts too)

David Deutsch is the leading proponent of what is known as “Parallel Universe Theory”. The theory states that in addition to the universe we see around us, there are vast numbers of other universes around us that are very similar and different by only one atom and others that differ to the point of you typing this and not me. This bizarre idea comes from the study of subatomic particles, the more we find out about them, the more absurd we find their behavior, which would help to explain how our future isn’t fixed but fluid in a weird sort of way. If you look at the universe on a small scale we see things that are very alien to us. In everyday life we’re used to objects retaining their identity as they move along … a subatomic particle may change into another particle, or 2 particles may merge into one, we are unaccustomed to this.

Imagine our universe is like a pool table. Usually the balls may follow the usual laws of physics. But if we shrink the game down to subatomic levels, weird things start to happen. Sometimes a subatomic particle can be moving along and change its course for no particular reason, or it can ooze right through the proverbial pool table, and that’s just the tip of the iceberg. This is the strange world of quantum mechanics and scientists are still arguing over what’s going on. Deutsch’s answer is almost as strange as what’s going on, but he sticks to it. “What’s really happening is that the universe we see is only part of physical reality. There are parallel universes and each particle in our universe has a counter particle in another universe and under the right conditions the counter particles can effect the ones we can see (The universes are interfering with one another all the time). So particles in our universe could be hitting particles in another one and we wouldn’t even know it was going on. And in that parallel reality a very different scenario could be playing out, which means that the time travelers could do whatever they wish really. Imagine a ball gets pocketed and travels back in time to where it came from. The ball is threatening its own history, a pool ball version of the grandfather paradox. If there is only one universe something has to stop it from hitting the other balls because we already know that it never hit them. But in a multiple universe, time travel allows the ball to travel between 2 universes very similar to one another, in 1 the ball simply disappears forever and in the other the ball appears from nowhere and there’s no need for it to be stopped, as it has no particular destiny. So neither universe contains a paradox. The theory is that there are an infinite number of these, and time travel is said to be really just skipping from one to another, which a time machine would test. If proven true, it would mean not only free will exists, but the nature of reality is exceptionally strange.

To conclude the documentary they showed some video of the time machine and never really said much about it. Here’s all I got.

Experimental designs of lasers that twist time into a loop, which Einstein predicted but could never test. With the circulating beam of light you create a rotating region of space, as though you were stirring a cup of coffee. Also in the addition of twisting space, Einstein’s theory says that space and time are linked, so you cause a twist in space, you cause a twist in time as well. So if we think out time line as being a line from past à Present à future, if we can close that line into a loop we can jump from future to past. It won’t be simple, real world experiments aren’t, but it’s possible.

That’s all I got out of it … hopefully it explains it well to everyone and there are some really good ideas here. Here’s a pic of the ring of lasers.


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Cheers,

Gene
Knuckles
for cheap time travel, fly into a different time zone \o/

anyway, this sounds good, if i could i would head to the 70s.
TheLikeness
time travel is possible.

why - you, the reader just traveled 9 seconds ahead in time while reading this!
stygeanhue
I am really having some issues with this post. I think that if said scientist travels back in time to save said dead father, then the result is he has no reason to travel back in time. And honestly and logically, if said time travel occured, it is most certainly bound to fall in to the wrong hands. You cant change histroy for the better because you have no idea what could result. There was a reason the titanic sank. A reason JFK got shot . . . We learn from our mistakes, and if we go back and change them then we dont learn anything. Furthermore, it its beyond my grasp who spining some lazers around will cause a tunnel of energy and essentally a time warp. Good grief , charlie brown.
GeneBrowne
QUOTE(stygeanhue @ Aug 3 2007, 08:38 AM) *
Furthermore, it its beyond my grasp who spining some lazers around will cause a tunnel of energy and essentally a time warp. Good grief , charlie brown.


Not to mean any disrespect or insult, but I guess that's why you're not doing the experiments. These people specialize in this and know a hell of a lot more than us. I have a rough grasp on it, but I'm not going to claim that I fully know how it works. I just basically posted the documentary for thoes who are interested in it.


Gene
Transmaniacon
I read the New Scientist article way back when, and if I understood it correctly the most that this guy is going to be able to do, if the thing actually
works and he's lucky, is get a few particles to travel back in time by taking advantage of a quantum mechanical probability effect (i.e. a spinning cylinder with the mass of the sun provides a 100% chance to send massive objects back in time, so a puny light beam bouncing around in a circle in the right way produces a teeny tiny miniscule chance that every gazillionth particle passing through it will experience a "vortex" as the media puts it, and travel back in time.

Personally, I think the experiment can tell us something useful regardless of whether it works or not. If it does work, then huzzah, we've demonstrated time travel. if it doesn't work, then maybe it can provide insights into how Stephen Hawking's postulated quantum mechanical barriers against time travel work, thus providing better insight into quantum mechanics and general relativity.

By the way, most of the physicists who have played around with time machine ideas, and there seem to be a lot of them, think of them as a means to
find things that might be wrong with general relativity theory (Einstien's theory that explains gravity as being caused by warped spacetime). They think that time travel must be impossible, due to the obvious paradoxes it would cause, so if general relativity math says that it can occur under circumstances (like near a massive spinning cylinder), then something must be wrong with the theory of general relativity. Maybe we if we can tweak general relativity math somehow, or combine it with some quantum mechanical theory of gravity, so that it does not produce time travel, but still produces other phenomena that have been experimentally verified, then we'll have a theory that is closer to reality.
The Sensational Spider-Man
I beleive that man can build a working time machinei mean its usually the people who have their ideas shunned that are right or make the fancy machine that everyone loves

people once said Man Cannot Walk On The Moon
look how wrong they were
cutycub
Um, using a time machine to save your loved ones won't be such a good idea. It would cause over-population. We have too many of us around in my opinion.
IndigoChild
So I understand the theory of only being able to go back as far as the machine was turned on. As this quote explains the theory, "If you turned on the machine, on January 1 say, and left it running for three months, you could enter the machine in March and only travel back as far as January 1."

But what I'd LIKE to know is, did Einstein say that it was generally plausible to create a machine to go FARTHER back in time, or did he only believe in this more realistic theory?

Personally, I'm not very interested in traveling back in time to two weeks ago just to stop myself from eating that 500 calorie chicken burger. If I'm going back in time, I want it to be a significant time traveled, like back into the 60's and 70's or even farther back, like during the American Civil War.

Is THIS idea not possible?
Magnatude
I believe it it totally possible, however (details on my blog) paradox cannot be made.
If I built a machine and traveled back in time to kill myself, I wont go poof-disappear, after all I know that it wasn't part of my history and never occurred to "me", only my past self.
Traveling back in time "displaces" the traveler, he may go back and give warning to his parents, and he could go onwards knowing there is a younger duplicate of himself, but it does not change his past, (only his younger duplicates past).

As for people/fellow scientists seeing him off on his maiden TT to the past, well, they would never see him again and would therefore either think he died or the TT failed.

Question rises, would you honestly want to displace yourself for a sake of a parallel universe?
quantrex
QUOTE(IndigoChild @ Aug 26 2007, 02:31 AM) *
So I understand the theory of only being able to go back as far as the machine was turned on. As this quote explains the theory, "If you turned on the machine, on January 1 say, and left it running for three months, you could enter the machine in March and only travel back as far as January 1."

But what I'd LIKE to know is, did Einstein say that it was generally plausible to create a machine to go FARTHER back in time, or did he only believe in this more realistic theory?

Personally, I'm not very interested in traveling back in time to two weeks ago just to stop myself from eating that 500 calorie chicken burger. If I'm going back in time, I want it to be a significant time traveled, like back into the 60's and 70's or even farther back, like during the American Civil War.

Is THIS idea not possible?

Your missing one big aspect of building a time machine, once that machine is turned on people in our future will be able to travel back to us. From that point on we will be connected to our future, the possibilities are endless
belial
time machines are already here: computers, tv, telephones, hey even some flights beat the clock around some time zones on earth, and then theres an orbiting space station, ok not really time machines as in a sci fi writers idea maybe, but never the less they do exist.
GeneBrowne
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=8242243689164201392

Finally found that documentary.

Take a look and understand more.


Gene
kimbely
This is really very interesting ..........






Kimbely
http://absinthealcohol.eslblogs.org/
Light Wizard
Years ago on the Art Bell show there was a scientist called David Anderson who had claimed to come a long way with manipulating the rate at which time passes within a spherical field. He could slow it down or speed it up. What made it more fascinating is that he seemed very credible, although he has since disappeared to work for a charity overseas. (I would guess that some people with big money don't want people to play with time travel).
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