This is to all the non-believers. What would have to happen in your life for you to belief that the God of the Bible truly exists? What evidence would be enough?

if god came down and stood before me and said "hey you I'm real now what ya think about that" that is what it will take for me to believe in god

The wars would have to stop, no more crimes committed, no more babies being born sickly....if things like that were to happen then I might consider that there was a loving God up there who loved us and wanted his "children" to be happy and painfree.

to make an appearance and suddenly every war is stopped and all weapons destroyed , the poor get fed , the homeless shelter , the ill healed , and a slap to the back of bush and relgious extreames as god says " everyone gets to 'heaven' no strings attached'

surly for god it is not a big thing to do.

exactly glory, and Ripley. Until then I will never believe that there is some loving god up there watching us as we slaughter one another for stupid things

I totally agree.

Basically thats what it took to convince me, although being human, and very sceptical, he had to do it a few times, and throw in a couple of miracles for good measure, before i was really convinced. Now of course we are old friends, and it is hard to appreciate what life was like before he came to visit.

I believe God reveals Himself to those who sincerely seek Him. It's something when you see miracles happen.

You saw God, and you talked to him in person?
What did he look like?
What did he smell like?
What was his voice like?

i don't want to believe in god, i only want to believe in me...

i'm sorry but that's just ignorance. i don't want to start another thread on this but, you can't honestly believe that there is no designer. i want you to look at the world very closely from a scientific perspective and tell theres not some sort of creator or higher being than ourselves. it may not be the God described in the bible but its something bigger than us.

when the day comes we shall see, won't we?

I'm looking forward to it so i can tell god (if he exists which he doesn't) to shove it

So what would convince you that the God of the Bible exists? Even if it's just to tell Him to "shove it".

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Also I'll add, stop all other forms of suffering and pain that Lt did not mention

even if he does prove real, i will never again walk his path.

You calling someone ignorant for not believing in God because mountains of scientific evidence prove otherwise, is ignorance in itself.
I happen to take a look at the world on a molecular level everyday, one of its most fundamental levels, and I can honestly tell you that I don't see how you can believe in a designer. I challenge you to take a course in Biology or molecular genetics. If you tell me you did, I'm sorry but I don't believe you.

Lets keep it friendly. So what would it take to convince you?

It would take God to come down to me and reveal himself.
I would have to see his body, hear his voice,smell him, and be able to touch him.
He must perform some sort of feat not possible by normal humans, something that was holistic and lasting.

okay here we go, how did everything come into being? the big bang you say? what caused the big bang? matter cannot simply appear.

I tell you what, before it does anything to prove to me its existence

IT better have one HELL of an apology ready for me..

and somewhat HEAVY COMPENSATION!!!!

b******

What would convince you?

Why would you be owed an apology?

wow what makes you so special and deserving? so all you want when you die is an apology and money(if i'm assuming by "compensation" you mean something of monetary value)? please, by all means, tell us in great detail how everything that you are experiencing right now came to be? still no answer to my big bang question either, so maybe you could explain it to me. where did all of these forces, such as, gravity, and electromagnetism come from? what about energy? it cannot be created nor destroyed. now how can that be? how did it just "get here"? answer these questions without the acknowledgment of some outside entity. i dare ya.

Telirium, if you wish to start a conversation about the big bang here, then we will. But that last statement in your sentice tells me you have little understanding of it.

The big bang doesn't refer to matter simply appearing. It refers to universe expansion over 13 billion years starting at a singularity with infinite density and temperature. There was no earlier time before the singularity exists because the singularity was the first instant of time. It existed for a very short period of time then exploded (called the big bang) which caused a finite temperature.

Well since he's all mighty and all powerful according to belief...

I'd say a coffee lunch with him would do the trick. Surely if he's a being of such power to forge time and create vast universes... He can surely have coffee with me?

Not like I'm asking much...

Oh and I almost forgot. I can say the same thing to you Telirium. How did God get there?

What path would you walk in?

God has always existed. God is not bound by time.

Yes, the problem with your statement is that it is not backed by scientific evidence. Who says that God has always existed? The bible written by humans?

Well I truly hope you get your coffee lunch with God.

He took the bus of course

i do not know. i willingly admit this. all i know is that all of this just could not have happend by itself. that is just something a human brain cannot understand. it's like trying to understand infinity. we are bound by a beginning and an end. God is not.

Absoltely! We can't fully conceptualize God and His existence.

lol . it can be simpler = really 10 items or less in the line ! no checks !

You don't 'know' that it could not have happened by itself, it could have. Just like I don't know that the big bang is the beginning of creation (Go to end of post for more information). Your inference that the big bang created matter is also false.

The big bang released energy. The energy created the elementary particles of matter. It fused space and time together to form matter which is space-time (if that makes sense).

Now, the other possibility is that the universe is in a cycle. It blows up and collapses into itself to form another singularity. In this case, it will blow up again and everything that happend for 10-20 billion years will happen again and again.

If we can't manage the concept of God then how do you know he exists.

Have you ever asked him to join you for a meal or a cup of coffee? It,s easy, you just bow your head and ask him, try it some time he might just surprise you! Of course the question remains, would you know him if he did show up?As the bible says,if you feed a hungry person you have fed God, if you shelter a homeless person you have sheltered God if you cloth a naked person you have also clothed God because he is there with you at these times and his Grace and blessings are then with you also!

You deny the possibility of the Universe coming into existence without a designer, on the basis that something can't come from nothing. Yet when asked where the designer came from, you seem to suggest he came from nothing.

I sense bias.

If I feed the hungry (feed God), cure the sick (cure God), cloth a naked person (cloth God), shelter a homeless person (shelter God), and still don't believe in him, will I still go to hell even though I took care for him during my life?

I think we can manage the concept of God. We just don't fully understand how God works.

Why do you change your stance so quickly?

I don't think that's what he's saying. I believe he is suggesting that God is infinite and doesn't need to be a creator. However, the universe had to have a beginning at some point, making it finite.

Maybe the Universe is infinite by our standards. What makes you think the universe had to have a beginning?

The context was different. A better way to say it would be that we can't fully conceptualize the existence of God, but we can accept that He is infinite and understand some of his attributes.

Do you have some alternative view that would suggest differently?

Answer my question before you ask me a question.

regardless of the universe's history, the lack of a reason to its origin does not by defult suggest that there was ANY divine intervention at any point of its existence. THAT is just another man made concept.

I think "only to those who seek him" is a cop out. That's what all Christians(Well, literally ALL I've debated with) say to rationalize the fact that it doesn't happen to many people at all, if any(Assuming their stories are true and accurate).

If he was loving, he would know why some of us do not even try to seek him out. Because we are logical thinking people who see no more evidence to support the biblical God than any other mythical being. So, a loving God would realize this, and also help us. Why would he only help those that make the illogical leap of seeking him BEFORE believing in him? That's like me saying "I won't help anyone out unless they believe they can fly without even trying".

Well it's taking us off the topic.

Empirical proof on all levels of reality, physical, mental others we haven't yet found or are disputed, and no more secret messages, metaphors or parables, we want truth, not twists. But just because god can be proven to exist, that still doesn't mean I have to follow him. I mean, if you read the bible, he's a pretty angry, hatefilled, destructive guy. How many cities has he destroyed, people has he killed, "free will" which he has supposedly created that he contradicts? It's not really worth it in the end when he literally declares war on earth in the apocolypse, killing off mostly all of the world and sparring only few who follow his every command. God is a facist dictator, do we really want to live under his command of "praise me or die!" or do we want to be free from his clutches like so many others who are beyond the shackles of this invisible force that causes us to kill each other in he name and supposedly as well be killed by him. When the apocolypse comes, I think I'll be on the rebel side. Which really makes you think, if God is a complete iron dictator, what would the anti-christ be, being the opposite? Wouldn't the anti-christ have to be a good-willed, scientist who is a free thinker and ensures freedom rather than chains? Makes you think about how the bible's own words can simply be twisted against itself to screw it.

when you humbly accept that what you have is a blessing from him,realizing you wouldn,t have anything at all if it were not his will and then sharing what you have been given by him with a greatfull heart is a really good start!