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crystal sage

How far do you think it's safe to go with these new meglomaniac corporations and their scientists???


When should a scientist say enough!!!

Or is it just about seeing how far we can reach??? and worry about the consequences later????

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MORE MERCENARY SCIENCE
http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/molecular_medicine/74458
Last June, Transgenic Pets of Syracuse, New York, unveiled plans to produce cats that do not cause allergic reactions in their owners. That is, it seems the industry of genetically modified (GM) pets to fit their owner’s tastes is about to start.

There already are transgenic cows that produce milk missing one component that causes allergies in a number of consumers. Also, pigs have been engineered with a cow protein that protects them against gastroenteritis. These two new man-made species can be justified for economic reasons; and, besides, neither cows or pigs have, in general, been considered house pets so their creation has not being highly criticized. However, the genetic modification of animals with economic uses poses other problems. Putting aside the question that if, just because we can, we should modify them for our own satisfaction and benefit, there is the problem of changing the environment and as, a consequence, man’s own future.




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http://www.ekac.org/thehumanist.html

From a symbolic point of view the Glofish represents the chimera: a monster of legend, a cross-species hybrid, an amalgamation of body parts from different animals. This terrible creature of lore evokes alchemical fear because it is an affront to the sanctity of nature. By making the cultural transformation from fairytales and legends to suddenly appearing in our collective reality, the Glofish exposes the fears, superstitions, imaginations, and hopes attached to genetics, cross-species mutants, and alien life forms that humans have harbored for millennia. Now society has to decide how to respond to this culturally significant phenomenon.
crystal sage
Spinning goats and a web of intrigue

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/genes/article/0,...,635438,00.html

unsure.gif Scientists have found a way to mimic spider's silk and spin it in industrial quantities - by genetically engineering spider genes into a herd of goats.

They spliced silk-making genes into the mammary gland cells of a cow and the kidney cells of a hamster and persuaded the cells to make spider's silk - and then ooze it out of the cells so that it could be collected. The researchers have called the product BioSteel, and plan a herd of genetically modified goats to produce it in their milk.


http://www.usatoday.com/news/science/biolo...spider-silk.htm

http://users.ox.ac.uk/~abrg/spider_site/fvollrath.html
crystal sage
Maybe the scientists... corporate heads... are just big kids????

I mentioned the new gene spliced... glow in the dark fish.... to my kids...

their response was... COOL ... can we have one!!!

They like the idea of glow in the dark pets!!!


...Or mutant pets...

maybe they've been softened/influenced by all those kiddy cartoons.. with sponge bob...and other mutated/alien heroes...

Or the Sci-Fi shows... where certain genes are enhanced...creating super humans!!!

We are ,thru media...slowly accepting the idea of altering our reality... to deliberatly creating a new enhanced world...



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http://www.purefood.org/ge/hansenGEexpl.cfm


As a general rule, conventional
breeding develops new plant varieties by the process of selection, and seeks
to achieve expression of genetic material which is already present within a
species. (There are exceptions, which include species hybridization, wide
crosses and horizontal gene transfer, but they are limited, and do not
change the overall conclusion, as discussed later.) Conventional breeding
employs processes that occur in nature, such as sexual and asexual
reproduction. The product of conventional breeding emphasizes certain
characteristics. However these characteristics are not new for the species.
The characteristics have been present for millenia within the genetic
potential of the species.

.......gene gun or a comparable
technique, and a promoter, is profoundly different from conventional
breeding, even if the primary goal is only to insert genetic material from
the same species.

But beyond that, the technique permits genetic material to
be inserted from unprecedented sources. It is now possible to insert
genetic material from species, families and even kingdoms which could not
previously be sources of genetic material for a particular species, and even
to insert custom-designed genes that do not exist in nature. As a result we
can create what can be regarded as synthetic life forms, something which
could not be done by conventional breeding.



So in a sense we are able to create and are eventually creating... those weird looking aliens from cartoons... sci-fi..
thrillers....!!!!



Siara
QUOTE(crystal sage @ Aug 4 2007, 11:19 PM) *
Maybe the scientists... corporate heads... are just big kids????

I mentioned the new gene spliced... glow in the dark fish.... to my kids...

their response was... COOL ... can we have one!!!


Of course, 50 years down the road we'll be splicing genes into the kids themselves (sorry, but it's true).

This past weekend I was playing with a new niece and I wondered, "After all the thousands of past generations, is this the last little girl in her line that will be a 100% natural result of her parents having sex?"
crystal sage
QUOTE(Siara @ Aug 7 2007, 11:50 AM)
Of course, 50 years down the road we'll be splicing genes into the kids themselves (sorry, but it's true).

This past weekend I was playing with a new niece and I wondered, "After all the thousands of past generations, is this the last little girl in her line that will be a 100% natural result of her parents having sex?"



Scary isn't it????

The case of 'Gattaca' or 'Logan's Run' like scenarios for the future is getting likelier every day!!!


and then with the implanted credit chip.. satellite tracer come.. diagnostic chip...that we'll all need just to meet day to day living requirements... to get ithru certain doors. where we have access rights... permission...... to be able to buy anything at all...... where every aspect of our lives... and possibly thoughts will be monitored and accessable

As hinted at in one of Ron Hubbard's magazines ( the Plain Truth??? ) back in the 70's.... his magazines were almost science fiction to us then... he mentioned the technology of bar codes even then....(I remember trying to write words with a ruler and little lines... by squishing my name really thin with a ruler and a few judicial dots.... it kept me and my brother amused for hours... ...... and then trying to see if we could read it all back !!!.... laugh.gif )



rolleyes.gif cool.gif later the game evolved writing rude messages to each othe etc.... ... disguised as a few random lines and leaving them all over the place!!! laugh.gif

(those were pre electronic gadget days... so we had to amuse ourselves!!!!)
Raptor
Why are people so convinced to believe that it's a bad thing?
crystal sage
QUOTE(Raptor X7 @ Aug 7 2007, 08:54 PM)
Why are people so convinced to believe that it's a bad thing?



If you think of these scientists who via instructions in some cases... who are playing with the genetic future of all mankind.... assisted evolution...


...Now go back a few years... to those same people as school kids... ones you shared a class with...

To get where they are... they had to do years of study... I gather they all got full marks???
researched hard enough to get everything right.. 110%


No errors.. due to rushing things... overlooking things... not fully researching cause and effect...???


Well if they are going to play with the genes.. DNA that you and your children.. grandchildren... will no longer be able to reverse,,,will have to live with.... and you are OK with it... fine/..

You got to make sure that these mutant foods.. animals... people... are able to sustain full healthy lives....

So far Cloning doesn't look good... shortened life span.. seems to highlight the weakest links of the organism from the few articles I've read...

and the gene splicing.. and adding shooting new DNA into cells make them unstable.. and accidently leaks ..leaves random genes etc in the adulterated cells..

creating new weaknesses.. or hastening further mutation...

..Going to genetically designed Pets... ones you want to live close to you... how do you know that these mutations... of the pets... now knowing that these mutations are often unstable... will not succumb to new previously unknown diseases... that because of the GM mutations... eg as found with Bird Flu... won't be contagious to humans????

As these diseases will be new to this world... they will be harder diagnose... or near impossible to treat...


One has to be very carefull when playing with Mother Nature...
As we know... if the combinations are wrong... the strongest survive..and the rest die out...

evolution...

Are you ready to put your life... the lives of those innocent animals... that are being Mengeled..(remember the horrors of the 2nd world war.. where for science they surgically tried using humans often children for various labrat experiments..???.)


I see it as an extension of that....




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_Mengele




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